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Another key PDRC leader also urged all protesters who have money in any bank to withdraw their money if their banks provide loans to the government.

The Public Debt Management Office invited financial institutions to hear terms on the bridging loan auction today after the first round failed with no bidders.

The loan in the second round auction will be doubled to 40 billion baht.

Hit them in the wallet, that's where it really hurts. I don't understand why Suthep hasn't pushed the idea of people boycotting all Shin businesses. Get after it, and mail me a copy of the list.

I hope "Stupid" I mean Suthep keeps plugging away at the banks not to lend money to pay the farmers, the farmers will know he is part of their problem!

You know "Boycott" is a doubled edge sword, very effective, we boycotted grapes and lettuce in the US and brought the growers to their knees.

I believe the rich elite advocating a boycott can have it back fire on them, the country folks are the purchasers of their products, all would need to tell people to stop buying Red Bull, Singha beer, and what ever other products ( buy another brand) the Yellow backers and businesses sell, the rich are much more likely to be devastated financially by any boycott!

Let them cast the first boycott stone!

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If the so called "poor' you refer to stopped buying products made by the rich, they would be on a diet of fish and rice washed down with home brewed Lao Khao and well water.

They love beer made by the rich, Chang & Leo to name the most popular. They'd have to stop using those mobiles built by rich companies in Taiwan and S.Korea using AIS & DTAC owned by rich people. Get rid of those truck built by rich companies with elite owners.

Let them go ahead then, its their money, bring it on!!

Another key PDRC leader also urged all protesters who have money in any bank to withdraw their money if their banks provide loans to the government.

The Public Debt Management Office invited financial institutions to hear terms on the bridging loan auction today after the first round failed with no bidders.

The loan in the second round auction will be doubled to 40 billion baht.

Hit them in the wallet, that's where it really hurts. I don't understand why Suthep hasn't pushed the idea of people boycotting all Shin businesses. Get after it, and mail me a copy of the list.

I hope "Stupid" I mean Suthep keeps plugging away at the banks not to lend money to pay the farmers, the farmers will know he is part of their problem!

You know "Boycott" is a doubled edge sword, very effective, we boycotted grapes and lettuce in the US and brought the growers to their knees.

I believe the rich elite advocating a boycott can have it back fire on them, the country folks are the purchasers of their products, all would need to tell people to stop buying Red Bull, Singha beer, and what ever other products ( buy another brand) the Yellow backers and businesses sell, the rich are much more likely to be devastated financially by any boycott!

Let them cast the first boycott stone!

Cheers

Potjaman is rumoured to be fixing a deal

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Did she inform you personally or are you just spreading rumors!

Cheers

What part of "I do no trust yellow supporters verbal account of anything" don't you understand, If Two men were short by the policeman that was attacked and beaten(Post the documentation you got your information of Name-ing both persons that were wounded)!

I requested that documentation from the get go, but you have never able to do so, because only one man was in fact shoot by that police man and it was self defense during the attack, You have nothing other than your mouth to back your account up and that (I DO NOT consider reliable evidence).

That shooting happened in broad day light, with eyewitnesses around, in that article you posted were 3 different acounts of what happened by 3 different eyewitnesses,

Name the source you have that documents 2 people were shot, I doubt that you can!

Cheers

Can you post your video of the incident. I have only seen the one posted. There should be several available (can't find) as it was in broad daylight with media present!

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I have not seen anyone post the documentation that (2) PDRC protesters were shot "by the beaten police officer"(immediately prior to the 2nd shooting the video documents was in self defense) and that the shooting "was not in self defense", after you document that, which started this difference of opinion, ask me again!

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OK then. So you haven't got any more videos from the "extensive media " onsite... fair enough. But you really should just say that!

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I guess you could make such an accusation,

So now that we know you can not document your statements IE:

"Two PDRC protesters were shot by the beaten policeman" And

"the shootings were not in self defense".

You really should have said that day's ago, those were your statements that started our differences of opinion, I accept your acknowledgement that you never had that documentation!

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I will put it another way then.

10 people were killed and 621 wounded as of 4 days ago.

Some won't even say BUT. They simply say "Talking of "creativity" these 47 bomb attacks?"

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A demagogue has a knack of changing the subject when an inconvenient truth is presented to them. A really skillful demagogue does this without the person that raised the original point even realizing the subject has been changed. The argument then is not about the overall argument presented, but more a word or in this case a number that was grabbed out of the whole text to allow the demagogue to remove himself from answering difficult questions that formed the main context of the original post. This gives them a sense of rightness whereby they have not only alleviated the need to answer the difficult truths, but also allowing them to continue on with their other traits of demagoguery which is their fallacy of moral equivalence and cunning projection and victimization. And surprise surprise examples of this are in the form of you asking me questions and wording the sentences in such a way that would make a demagogue proud.

There were not 47 attack. Well there were on the 13th of January. The number is up to about 62 now. BUT as that was only a grab out of my overall post I will not fall into a demagogues trap and start arguing about it.

The ironic thing is I preempted the replies as well and I got just what I expected.

If you care to comment on my original post which was highlighting a principle of democracy called "equal protection under the law" (which contrary to some posters on this forum who believe that "elections" are the only principle of democracy) then I look forward to some healthy debate on the subject.

I am sure I can preempt the next reply too if I get one. It will involve demonizing or picking a bit out of my second post or simply ignore all I have said and rehash the 47 number. I suspect the 3rd. That is what a demagogue would do.

Kikoman

Hey, I am the demagogue, you used that same reply against me just two days ago, What is it your one reply fits all responses to any opinion.

The topic of this thread is the possible recovery of the weapons used in the attack on Kwanchai, as a poster stated the guns were being handled in the picture of the OP. that picture was taken at the reenactment of the shooting by the suspect arrested in the case and is not the same weapon.

Please stay on topic, if you want to debate what a Democracy is, this is not the thread!

Cheers

Yes you too are a demagogue. No need to remind me though. I know full well you are because you change the subject and don't address the issue's highlighted. Facts are a demagogues and conveniently the PTP's achilles heel.

There is a criteria for my demagogue reply. Not all responses. Only replies that change the subject or pick a tiny quote from the content and turn that into the main debatable subject.

Thanks for your constructive criticism however.

Back on topic. Which admitedly goes back to my original quote that was on topic before I was demagogued! There is no equal protection under the law (principle of democracy) and all PTP associated crimes seem to be efficiently investigated while PDRC crimes go unsolved.

God bless and cheers my friend.

One must also under stand if the protesters do not allow the police to do their investigation, and publicly deny the police access to a crime scene, then they can not complain as they, interfered with the police ability to perform an adequate investigation!

One can not have it both ways, PDRC does not allow police access to a crime scene and then complain that the police do not offer equal protection to the PDRC/protestors!

Definitely not by the actions of the BIB but the actions of PDRC!

Cheers

There seems to be a great deal of unsubstantiated supposition going on both by us (TV) and by the OP. On that basis I'll add my comments/suppositions.

The AK47 is, I suppose, not a cheap gun. If used by a terrorist it would be kept for future use unless, of course, funding for the weapon came from a person or persons with unlimited resources.

If they were military weapons they would neither have been used nor discarded. They would be too traceable. It is quite likely that the evidence of the guns is a bit of a red herring, after all, since honesty in the government is in such short supply why should we believe police forensic evidence as told by the police. As others have remarked everything seems to fall into place so conveniently in this report. Of course it could all be true, but I have a feeling of wrongness about this one.

No matter who does the forensic lab work the results would be the same, a bullet, test fire and recovered from the suspected weapon.

Must match the slug recovered at the crime scene, when placed side by side under a microscope! everything must match completely! Also the shell casing the imprint of the firing pin along with the depth of the pin striking the primer, every thing is documented.

The defense in a court case can have their own forensic lab work done!

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You should be laughing at your self, as you post suggest you are extremely clueless on what forensic test determine.

Each bullet has its own fingerprints, as it travel though the barrel the lands and groves imprints its finger print on the bullet, and ( at the lab. the weapon is test fired and the bullet retrieved and the marking IDed) if the markings on the bullet, matches those taken from the crime scene.

If they match that was the weapon used in the attack.

Quite simple, hey!

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Exactly. The spent cartridges that are tossed about as they are ejected also have unique microscopic imprints from the firing chamber, the extractor, and from the firing pin striking the primer.

Thanks for bringing that up I completely forgot to address the spent casing!

How many episodes of CSI have you watched?

Just some little hints I picked up on how to handle many type of weapons in my years of service in the US Army, well acquainted with the AK-47 that was the weapon of choice of many of our opponents.

Actually I have never watched that program you mentioned!

Cheers

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I will put it another way then.

10 people were killed and 621 wounded as of 4 days ago.

Some won't even say BUT. They simply say "Talking of "creativity" these 47 bomb attacks?"

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A demagogue has a knack of changing the subject when an inconvenient truth is presented to them. A really skillful demagogue does this without the person that raised the original point even realizing the subject has been changed. The argument then is not about the overall argument presented, but more a word or in this case a number that was grabbed out of the whole text to allow the demagogue to remove himself from answering difficult questions that formed the main context of the original post. This gives them a sense of rightness whereby they have not only alleviated the need to answer the difficult truths, but also allowing them to continue on with their other traits of demagoguery which is their fallacy of moral equivalence and cunning projection and victimization. And surprise surprise examples of this are in the form of you asking me questions and wording the sentences in such a way that would make a demagogue proud.

There were not 47 attack. Well there were on the 13th of January. The number is up to about 62 now. BUT as that was only a grab out of my overall post I will not fall into a demagogues trap and start arguing about it.

The ironic thing is I preempted the replies as well and I got just what I expected.

If you care to comment on my original post which was highlighting a principle of democracy called "equal protection under the law" (which contrary to some posters on this forum who believe that "elections" are the only principle of democracy) then I look forward to some healthy debate on the subject.

I am sure I can preempt the next reply too if I get one. It will involve demonizing or picking a bit out of my second post or simply ignore all I have said and rehash the 47 number. I suspect the 3rd. That is what a demagogue would do.

Kikoman

Hey, I am the demagogue, you used that same reply against me just two days ago, What is it your one reply fits all responses to any opinion.

The topic of this thread is the possible recovery of the weapons used in the attack on Kwanchai, as a poster stated the guns were being handled in the picture of the OP. that picture was taken at the reenactment of the shooting by the suspect arrested in the case and is not the same weapon.

Please stay on topic, if you want to debate what a Democracy is, this is not the thread!

Cheers

Yingluck will never step down!

That should be clear to those idiot protesters, pretty soon it will just be the ( 9) Demo MP and the renegade Buddha!

Cheers

What part of "I do no trust yellow supporters verbal account of anything" don't you understand, If Two men were short by the policeman that was attacked and beaten(Post the documentation you got your information of Name-ing both persons that were wounded)!

I requested that documentation from the get go, but you have never able to do so, because only one man was in fact shoot by that police man and it was self defense during the attack, You have nothing other than your mouth to back your account up and that (I DO NOT consider reliable evidence).

That shooting happened in broad day light, with eyewitnesses around, in that article you posted were 3 different acounts of what happened by 3 different eyewitnesses,

Name the source you have that documents 2 people were shot, I doubt that you can!

Cheers

Can you post your video of the incident. I have only seen the one posted. There should be several available (can't find) as it was in broad daylight with media present!

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I have not seen anyone post the documentation that (2) PDRC protesters were shot "by the beaten police officer"(immediately prior to the 2nd shooting the video documents was in self defense) and that the shooting "was not in self defense", after you document that, which started this difference of opinion, ask me again!

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so after everyone has handled the guns and put them to their shoulders to pretend they are shooting them they want to do forensic tests, how many fingerprints will they now find on them, hahahahaha, these idiots are totally hopeless but at least it will mask any reds prints so they cant be identified

fat fingers and keyboards dont mix well, you should see my nostrils

You should be laughing at your self, as you post suggest you are extremely clueless on what forensic test determine.

Each bullet has its own fingerprints, as it travel though the barrel the lands and groves imprints its finger print on the bullet, and ( at the lab. the weapon is test fired and the bullet retrieved and the marking IDed) if the markings on the bullet, matches those taken from the crime scene.

If they match that was the weapon used in the attack.

Quite simple, hey!

Cheers

Exactly. The spent cartridges that are tossed about as they are ejected also have unique microscopic imprints from the firing chamber, the extractor, and from the firing pin striking the primer.

Thanks for bringing that up I completely forgot to address the spent casing!

Happy Valentines days Mrs PM Yingluck Shinowatra!

Peace

err she aint a "Mrs" she's a "Ms".... dear YK is not married, old chap...but before you get idea's pretty sure she will not go for an old fat farang with no money, she leaves them for her sisters in the NE of the country...

You are right,she won't go for you, quite the intelligent women our PM!

"Thaksin Shinawatra should "think really hard" about the country's wellbeing......"

Concern for the host is not a normal function of parasites.

Why did you leave off the rest of that quote?

That states "and so should his opponents" the yellows are experts at misrepresenting facts as they exist, or in fact stated.

The truth the whole true and nothing but the truth!

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Someone didn't think through the ramifications/legalities of the dissolution. Or more likely, their arrogance is coming back to bite them in the ass finally.

Every one knew the process of the dissolution, what is different was that the Democrats, chose to boycott the election, if you meant arrogance on the part of the Democrats you are correct,

The BP newspaper states a 17 billion baht loan was approved and payments to the farmers will began on Monday. the article :clearly" stated the 17 billion baht was part of a 20 billion baht in loans that was:

"Approved by the board on January 8, the process of finalizing the loan and transferring the funds, however, was disrupted by anti-government protesters",

Also there was an mention of Thirachai, in this mornings paper that this type of loan was unlawful and could violate:Section 181 (4) of the election law,

"The constitution which bars care taker government from using state agencies resources to boost its electoral support" And this article which stated :

"The use of government facilities which will have an impact on election is not allowed:"

This idiots focus is not on the plight of the unpaid farmers, or the governments duty to meet their obligation to the rice farmers but only how it "may" impact on election ( The official election took place on February 2, 2014)

The PTP, Red-shirts and UDD must start a pro-active movement to educate rural voters who was in fact behind the suffering of farmers since the PTP became a caretaker government.

Also the PTP must take responsibility for not paying the farmers prior to becoming a care taker government!

Cheers

Happy Valentines days Mrs PM Yingluck Shinowatra!

Peace

Mrs Prime Minister, Elected by the people, chosen by the vote by her party to be our first Female PM, many on here dislike that fact, and that you stood tall and unwavering in the face of adversity, unwarranted attacks, and just plain hatefulness, but yet you persevered when the dust cleared you where still there!

Thank you for your protection of Thailand's Democracy, you Mrs Prime Minister are truly a lady who does stand tall and stare adversity in the eye. Thank you and yes also thank you for the Valentine wish!

Peace be with you!

Your arrow has missed the target.. I've heard Yingluck prefers real men.

Then you do not have to worry, Now do you!

Yingluck is one tough lady she will not quit,

But my tough lady you must meet and talk with the farmers,

You must let them work with you to pay them.

Make a deal with them ask for a loan, go with the farmers to the EC to have the EC OK the release of the money!

Cheers

Mrs Prime Minister, Elected by the people, chosen by the vote by her party to be our first Female PM, many on here dislike that fact, and that you stood tall and unwavering in the face of adversity, unwarranted attacks, and just plain hatefulness, but yet you persevered when the dust cleared you where still there!

Thank you for your protection of Thailand's Democracy, you Mrs Prime Minister are truly a lady who does stand tall and stare adversity in the eye. Thank you and yes also thank you for the Valentine wish!

Peace be with you!

What part of "I do no trust yellow supporters verbal account of anything" don't you understand, If Two men were short by the policeman that was attacked and beaten(Post the documentation you got your information of Name-ing both persons that were wounded)!

I requested that documentation from the get go, but you have never able to do so, because only one man was in fact shoot by that police man and it was self defense during the attack, You have nothing other than your mouth to back your account up and that (I DO NOT consider reliable evidence).

That shooting happened in broad day light, with eyewitnesses around, in that article you posted were 3 different acounts of what happened by 3 different eyewitnesses,

Name the source you have that documents 2 people were shot, I doubt that you can!

Cheers

Nothing about that poll show its intentions were not bias it was taken by state and government employees, not a cross section of the country, a bias poll that only received a 50% approval, not to much support there!

Cheers

That was not the Video I saw, the one saw ,was the same beating/shooting,taken from the side, only shows one person was shot.

Now let me tell you more slowly, the video as well as the report from the Chief of the National Police dated 1-13-2014 clearly stated, I person shot by the policeman and it was an act of self defense!

This exchange started when AleG stated two people were shot and it was not self defense, he has been proven wrong on both statements. I have not seen any statements other the your here say that two people were shot by r that police man.

And Aleg was wrong because he was shot in self defense!

Cheers to all