Brit Engineer Found Dead in Nan Room

4 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

Oh please to say man drunk and smoked is not explanation for any and every death. The Winston Churchill lived to 90 as alcohol cigar smoker. It is contributory to poor health but far from fatal on its own. Money can be fatal...

It is quite possible that this man drank and smoked himself to death .

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

Logically, how would money come into this case to benefit the ex-wife?

Well this is question. If no connection, then unlikely her fault. Indeed he just sad lonely old drunk... but story itself says "ex-"wife continued visit him constantly, care for him, etc. So if still cares for him, why divorce him?

Details of financial connection can be complicated but at very least nothing stop you to leave money in will to ex wife or completely stranger, charity, cat, et cetera. And not unusual to leave money to "carer"(?) or just not bother to change will after divorce or any other thing as lazy, busy, maybe later.

So without full facts, not to say this is not suspicious. So British should send their police to "help" as have done in past.

6 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

Well this is question. If no connection, then unlikely her fault. Indeed he just sad lonely old drunk... but story itself says "ex-"wife continued visit him constantly, care for him, etc. So if still cares for him, why divorce him?

Details of financial connection can be complicated but at very least nothing stop you to leave money in will to ex wife or completely stranger, charity, cat, et cetera. And not unusual to leave money to "carer"(?) or just not bother to change will after divorce or any other thing as lazy, busy, maybe later.

So without full facts, not to say this is not suspicious. So British should send their police to "help" as have done in past.

The British have never sent their Police to help the Thai Police in investigations .

The KT murders the UK Police went to just observe the investigation

50 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

Is not completely strange way to die althhough 74 today not "too" old either.

Ex-wife apparently had access to house of completely helpless bedbound man, so question would be, does she inherit despite divorce? If so, can be more than seems...

You don't think she had access to him before the divorce?

As an ex-wife, to inherit she would have to be a beneficiary in his will which she would have been before his death also. It seems from the way the article reads that she was probably the instigator of the divorce so why would she have done that if there was some financial benefit for her whilst married?

11 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

story itself says "ex-"wife continued visit him constantly, care for him, etc

No, the story at the beginning of this thread does not say that at all.

12 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

.So without full facts, not to say this is not suspicious. So British should send their police to "help" as have done in past.

Similarly, without full facts there is absolutely nothing to suggest that his death was suspicious.

The UK police will not send anybody here as they have no jurisdiction outside Thailand, neither are they in a position to impose their presence on the Thai authorities without a specific request particularly for the nonsuspicious death of a frail, sick elderly man.

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You don't think she had access to him before the divorce?

As an ex-wife, to inherit she would have to be a beneficiary in his will which she would have been before his death also. It seems from the way the article reads that she was probably the instigator of the divorce so why would she have done that if there was some financial benefit for her whilst married?

There can also be financial benefit to divorce! And indeed man, with apparently high professional job, died in "rented room" in distant (cheap?) province with apparently not able to afford personal carers et cetera, so who knows what had happened to his money.

Married couple living togteher, murder can also happen inside family, but no particular suspicion. Normal situation where vast majority do not end in murder. Divorce where two (mostly or completely) separate their lives also "normal" in bad relationship outcome, and not usually leading to murder.

This setup, whereby she divorces him, but he remains completely dependent on her and becomes more dependent on her, and she continues to directly personally access all his living accommodation while he is bedbound and helpless, apparently without own staff, is not normal situation.

Whether suspicion is high or moderate or low depends whether she had something to gain, and we do not know it or not. Will Thai police attempt to find out? Maybe if British police the "observe", but maybe British do not care about its citizens.

3 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

This setup, whereby she divorces him, but he remains completely dependent on her and becomes more dependent on her, and she continues to directly personally access all his living accommodation while he is bedbound and helpless, apparently without own staff, is not normal situation

That was not the situation in reality, you just made that up...where was any of that reported?

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

That was not the situation in reality, you just made that up...where was any of that reported?

From story text, living in rented room:

"The Brit had reportedly been renting the room for about a year after separating from his wife."

Statement wife continued visit and acted as 'carer' by landlord:

"Kham said relatives of the man’s ex-wife had been bringing him food and helping care for him during his illness."

Statement man bedbound in this time:

"74-year-old former engineer from Southport had reportedly been bedridden for months and living alone"

My error: it was "relatives" of ex-wife, not ex-wife personally. But this also have clearly more connection to ex-wife than to man, as well as own financial incentive.

8 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

Maybe if British police the "observe", but maybe British do not care about its citizens.

You have an odd idea of the obligations or responsibilities of the UK police or perhaps you expect them to "observe" in the case of every death of a UK citizen in Thailand?

1 minute ago, klaikangwon said:

But this also have clearly more connection to ex-wife than to man, as well as own financial incentive

There you go again, what was her financial incentive that you seem to know about or are you just making that up as well?

In many country police have the no obligation, and can "legally" watch as you are murdered. But what should country do? Perhaps defend the very life of countryman at affordable cost.

I wonder what the UK Defense Attache in permanent Embassy Office does? Perhaps write letters to Thailand government about Iran, saving many lives.

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

There you go again, what was her financial incentive that you seem to know about or are you just making that up as well?

I stated need to investigate to discover if or not, not make certain claim of financial benefit.

As you get dishonest now, I decide to leave it...

6 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

There can also be financial benefit to divorce! And indeed man, with apparently high professional job, died in "rented room" in distant (cheap?) province with apparently not able to afford personal carers et cetera, so who knows what had happened to his money.

Married couple living togteher, murder can also happen inside family, but no particular suspicion. Normal situation where vast majority do not end in murder. Divorce where two (mostly or completely) separate their lives also "normal" in bad relationship outcome, and not usually leading to murder.

This setup, whereby she divorces him, but he remains completely dependent on her and becomes more dependent on her, and she continues to directly personally access all his living accommodation while he is bedbound and helpless, apparently without own staff, is not normal situation.

Whether suspicion is high or moderate or low depends whether she had something to gain, and we do not know it or not. Will Thai police attempt to find out? Maybe if British police the "observe", but maybe British do not care about its citizens.

I love your avatar klaikangwon, usually meaning far from worries, as the Royal Palace at Hua Hin is named.

However, the word klai in Thai language can mean near, as well as its opposite, far, by a different tonal pronunciation, falling tone, as opposed to mid tone for far.

My point being I can see from you posts here, you are indeed very concerned about this man's death, thus perhaps you would prefer posters to interpret your avatar as meaning ' close to worries', concerned?

2 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

I stated need to investigate to discover if or not, not make certain claim of financial benefit.

As you get dishonest now, I decide to leave it...

Specifically, how have I been dishonest in this this thread?

1 minute ago, bannork said:

I love your avatar klaikangwon, usually meaning far from worries, as the Royal Palace at Hua Hin is named.

However, the word klai in Thai language can mean near, as well as its opposite, far, by a different tonal pronunciation, falling tone, as opposed to mid tone for far.

My point being I can see from you posts here, you are indeed very concerned about this man's death, thus perhaps you would prefer posters to interpret your avatar as meaning ' close to worries', concerned?

Yes concerned, as I sit on beach and read detective novel, and often characters are clever, maybe too clever and I cannot believe it. But in real world, some characters so unclever also hard to believe, and this worries me, so I go back to book...

8 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

n many country police have the no obligation, and can "legally" watch as you are murdered

That is completing nonsense.

9 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

I wonder what the UK Defense Attache in permanent Embassy Office does? Perhaps write letters to Thailand government about Iran, saving many lives

Clearly, you have no idea about the responsibilities of the UK Defense Attache in Bangkok.

57 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

Oh please to say man drunk and smoked is not explanation for any and every death. The Winston Churchill lived to 90 as alcohol cigar smoker. It is contributory to poor health but far from fatal on its own. Money can be fatal...

Sir Winston Churchill was not an ordinary man, he was wealthy and had resources, cant imagine this guy had what it takes to even take care of himself, and possibly the reason his wife left him in the first place

Off topic posts removed.

1 hour ago, Rams86 said:

I'm 81 yo, I walk for 90 minutes every day. I don't start drinking till 5 pm, then I drink 1or 2 large bottles every night. I've been a beer drinker for the past 65 years, so why stop now?

5pm where??? Just kidding! Good on ya, walking keeps everything moving, blood, bowels, bones.

42 minutes ago, klaikangwon said:

Yes concerned, as I sit on beach and read detective novel, and often characters are clever, maybe too clever and I cannot believe it. But in real world, some characters so unclever also hard to believe, and this worries me, so I go back to book...

Did someone mention being clever?

Let's say you don't drink, don't smoke, don't drink coffee; also exercise vigorously on a daily basis; control your caloric intake, eat meat sparingly, focus your diet on fruits and vegetables; don't burn the candle at both ends staying out late and chasing women, get plenty of sleep without fail. Have frequent checkups with doctor and dentist and follow doctor's orders and dentist's advice.

Sadly you will come to your last days and find yourself dying of nothing.

8 hours ago, balo said:

Well life's what you make it. At 80 I would probably try to run a maraton.

8 hours ago, balo said:

Well life's what you make it. At 80 I would probably try to run a maraton.

Wait till you get there before you make plans like that mate 555

A few can. Most can't. I'm slowly becoming aware that I'm in the latter group even if I'm doing quite well.

Can't avoid the reaper though you can make it hard for him.

8 hours ago, balo said:

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Kham said the man drank heavily and smoked frequently before his health deteriorated several months ago, leaving him unable to walk.

Not the smartest thing to do at that age, RIP

Indeed- although not the smartest thing to do at any age really

If he was unable to walk, then how did he buy the alcohol?

Turned out that the divorce was not necessary.

Why wait until one is 74 before getting a divorce in the first place?

How old was the wife......22?

Bedridden for months and living alone, a sad end for anyone.

If there is anything positive from this story it is, that according to the article, "relatives of the man’s ex-wife had been bringing him food and helping care for him during his illness".

29 minutes ago, BusyB said:

Wait till you get there before you make plans like that mate 555

A few can. Most can't. I'm slowly becoming aware that I'm in the latter group even if I'm doing quite well.

Can't avoid the reaper though you can make it hard for him.

I drink coffee every morning, maybe that will kill me in the end, who knows. My dad smoked up to 50 cigs a day and lived until 92.
I used to smoke but changed my lifestyle years ago, and I'm feeling great , but I agree, there are no guarantees in life.

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, not at all. What do you find suspicious about the death of a 74-year-old immobile, bedridden, heavy drinking and smoking person with known deteriorating health?

What are you supposing is the benefit to the ex-wife that wouldn't have been there before his death?

His life Insurance maybe?