MaeJoMTB Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DM07 said: Are you denying, that a society, who lets men go free and #$%^ around, fathering children left and right without consequences, is the right way? Absolutely, women they demand equality, let them have it. If they have the responsibility of the choice, they should have the responsibility to pay. Her body, her choice, so her responsibility. Edited February 13, 2018 by MaeJoMTB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BEVUP Posted February 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2018 & I've seen the true basis of this The kids start seeing each other & the girl thinks "oh he is the one, because he keeps seeing me & staying " Then they are expected to have children at a young age - This I found out when my wifes 18 yr old Niece raised her shirt to show the bulge & I think we all know that they know where babies come from,so I don't think playing the dumb game of " If I only knew " cuts it They're her legs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said: Absolutely, women they demand equality, let them have it. If they have the responsibility of the choice, they should have the responsibility to pay. Her body, her choice, so her responsibility. Wow! If there is a contest for "Most moronic post of the year"...this one is a hot contender! Do you actually know how "sex" works? And what a "relationship" is? Do you understand, that women do not only get pregnant in an unmarried situation! And a man who decides to participate in sex? No responsibility, where he sticks his dick? It's "her" body, so it is "her" choice? Interesting, that "equality" always comes into play, when men want to get a free- pass on something! Then it is suddenly a question of female "equality"! ...dumbdumbdumbdumb.... Edited February 13, 2018 by DM07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko123 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) In rural Thailand, inequality is most clearly apparent in the poor quality of the schools. For most kids a good education is the only ticket to a better life, and the sad truth is that in general the government schools aren't getting the job done. Poverty also means many parents lack the financial resources to fully support their children's educational development. Often this means inadequate pre-natal and early childhood nutrition as well, further undercutting educational development. Subsistance farmers are also under economic pressure to start families early so that children can provide farm labor, and I have seen some evidence that some families do little to encourage educational achievement because they want a child to continue working on the family farm rather than leaving to work in a city. The few kids who manage to obtain an education almost always end up continuing their education in an urban center and ultimately becoming employed there. Thus there is a severe shortage in rural areas of role models who could demonstrate the connection between education and financial success. So I would agree that there is a strong connection between economic inequality and teen pregnancy. Kids start families because it's what they see everybody else doing, and there's not much else to do. To break the cycle of teen pregnancy, kids need to be given a more credible roadmap to a brighter future. More sex-education classes alone are not going to solve this problem. Edited February 13, 2018 by Gecko123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MaeJoMTB said: The problem is so many females get the pussy pass for their poor life decisions, along with a load of white knights excusing them. Haven't you noticed yet, every problem a female has, is the fault of a man, men are bad, women are blameless. The girl in the story is 18 years old, that's an adult in nearly all western countries. She can vote, drink, drive a car, join the forces, get married ....... her life, her body, her choices. I'd say that most problems the country is facing are somehow education related. The pregnancy of an 18-year-old might not be the topic if school teachers would teach sexual education early enough. There are girls who don't even know that sex with ladyboys can also lead to pregnancy. Who said that it's all the fault of a man? A lot of girls wouldn't end up pregnant with three kids when 17 if they'd be educated enough on how to prevent pregnancy. 18-year-olds are considered adults, but not all 18-year-olds in Thailand can be considered adults. People in Thailand are lacking important parts of knowledge and that goes from languages, over geography, to sexual education. Edited February 13, 2018 by jenny2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesSwann Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Unwanted teen pregnancies are natural. Nature (biology, evolution, whatever) wants procreation and part of nature's strategy is to exploit the recklessness of the young, when they are at their most virile. That's why sex involves such an otherworldly mental state (ecstatic or trancelike) - it deliberately takes people out of their right minds. They get pregnant - oops! - nature's strategy works. There must be a correlation with education and socio-economic status, but I'm not sure that more inequality means more poor people (in Thailand), only a wider gap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: I'd say that most problems the country is facing are somehow education related. The pregnancy of an 18-year-old might not be the topic if school teachers would teach sexual education early enough. If the girl were 13 you might have a valid argument, at 18 you're just being silly. Edited February 13, 2018 by MaeJoMTB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lovelomsak Posted February 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, DM07 said: Wow! If there is a contest for "Most moronic post of the year"...this one is a hot contender! Do you actually know how "sex" works? And what a "relationship" is? Do you understand, that women do not only get pregnant in an unmarried situation! And a man who decides to participate in sex? No responsibility, where he sticks his dick? It's "her" body, so it is "her" choice? Interesting, that "equality" always comes into play, when men want to get a free- pass on something! Then it is suddenly a question of female "equality"! ...dumbdumbdumbdumb.... Sorry to tell you this but he is right they want equality but do not want to practice it the cherry pick what they want but still blame men when things go wrong even with consent. If a man penetrates with out consent it is rape we all know that. Consensual sex is also consensual sex simple as that if a woman has consensual sex she is well aware of what she is dealing with.and responsible for her actions. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: I'd say that most problems the country is facing are somehow education related. The pregnancy of an 18-year-old might not be the topic if school teachers would teach sexual education early enough. I would say most problems the country is facing are to do with a Military government, a feudal society, and widespread corruption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelomsak Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: I'd say that most problems the country is facing are somehow education related. The pregnancy of an 18-year-old might not be the topic if school teachers would teach sexual education early enough. There are girls who don't even know that sex with ladyboys can also lead to pregnancy. Who said that it's all the fault of a man? A lot of girls wouldn't end up pregnant with three kids when 17 if they'd be educated enough on how to prevent pregnancy. 18-year-olds are considered adults, but not all 18-year-olds in Thailand can be considered adults. People in Thailand are lacking important parts of knowledge and that goes from languages, over geography, to sexual education. What a load of crap how can you write this stuff and feel you believe it. The sex with a ladyboy statement where did you get that info did you do a survey? Three kids at 17 and do not know how to say no and keep the legs together give me a break. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djayz Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Genmai said: In fact it is the other way around - adolescent pregnancies fuel inequality. In any society that isn't completely tyrannical there are decisions that individuals can make which will greatly improve their chances of success in life. One of these is choosing to not have children before getting married (the other two being "finish high school" and "keep a full-time job"). Single parenthood is one of the best predictors we have for failure in life. Only partially agree with you on that - there are quite a few single parents who have managed to get their lives back on track, earn a living, raise a child/children and live, to a greater or lesser extent, a normal, content life. True, such people are few and far between but I wouldn't be so quick to paint them all with the same brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, djayz said: Only partially agree with you on that - there are quite a few single parents who have managed to get their lives back on track, earn a living, raise a child/children and live, to a greater or lesser extent, a normal, content life. But the children are all basket cases. And in the west, the women all live off welfare taken from men's wages. Edited February 13, 2018 by MaeJoMTB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djayz Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Unprotected sex is fueling adolescent pregnancies... and the fact that the fathers generally get to walk away later scott free doesn't exactly help the problem. If these lads were legally obligated to financially support their children until the kids turn 18 and or finish 3rd level education, then I'm sure the sale of condoms would skyrocket. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djayz Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 minute ago, MaeJoMTB said: But the children are all basket cases. Again, many might be "basket cases" but some do manage to grow up normal, decent people. A person's lot in life doesn't always determine who we become as adults. A good upbringing goes a long way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, djayz said: Unprotected sex is fueling adolescent pregnancies... and the fact that the fathers generally get to walk away later scott free doesn't exactly help the problem. If these lads were legally obligated to financially support their children until the kids turn 18 and or finish 3rd level education, then I'm sure the sale of condoms would skyrocket. you want to punish a man for a woman's poor life choices? I would say in the interests of equality (and fairness to the new life), there should be no option of termination, both parents should have the choice on who has custody, and the cost split accordingly. And if neither want the cost and the custody, the child offered for adoption. Edited February 13, 2018 by MaeJoMTB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, djayz said: A good upbringing goes a long way. Agreed, but for a good upbringing a child needs two parents, one male and one female. Edited February 13, 2018 by MaeJoMTB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Misterwhisper said: It is likewise important that this country finally introduces legislation that actually holds fathers financially responsible for their children (and the mother!) and penalizes them if they just do a runner. The legislation probably already exists, but like every law in Thailand it is ignored by those it is aimed at and not enforced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mattd Posted February 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, djayz said: A good upbringing goes a long way. This is very true and essentially part of the problem in countries like Thailand, I have lived in Thailand for close on 30 years and have seen very few examples of what most would call 'good' parenting, most children are left to their own devices, even when they are with their parents, it appears to be easier that way. This is multiplied in the instances of young single pregnancies here, as 99 times out of a 100 the parents do not actually do the upbringing, this is done, as I said in a previous post, by the Grandparents, who tend not to be as bothered, the child will get an occasional visit from Mum only. This certainly doesn't apply to all, but given the topic subject, a large percentage. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSiamHand Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 hours ago, kingstonkid said: It is not the teacher's job to instill morals and responsibility in youth it is the parent's job role. Parents are supposed to be role models for their children. Saying that father has to be financially responsible does nothing. Just look at the success and single parent numbers in the US. The issue to a certain extent is the lifestyle that kids are brought up in. If you look at the music movies that kids watch. If you take into account the lack of education of some of the parents and in fact a great deal of the teachers. You have to remember that the teachers that are teaching the kids were brought up and educated in the same system that they are now in. The youth have to be taught to respect and listen to their elders. Those that are older and wiser. Thai society has to learn that what no means. I worked in a school where one of my students showed up in class with bruises when I asked her how she told me and only me that her BF had done it. When I reported it they said that I was wrong and I was not rehired. These are all wonderful ideas, but the only one that can realistically be addressed is making fathers financially responsible for biological offspring. You are right that the US also has a problem with single parents, and it's been growing for all races since the creation of our "great society". The paternity laws in the US vary from state to state, and few are strong enough to make a potential father think twice before impregnating someone. The US needs better laws on this as well. Single moms beget single moms . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSiamHand Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Where did I say it was? Be precise. probably in the same spot where it said it was her fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gecko123 Posted February 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Debate fuel: Isn't sex education info widely available on the internet? What's the point of enforcing financial responsibility for the father if he's only earning 200 baht a day? Edited February 13, 2018 by Gecko123 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, OldSiamHand said: probably in the same spot where it said it was her fault No idea what you are on about. Try again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, MaeJoMTB said: The problem is so many females get the pussy pass for their poor life decisions, along with a load of white knights excusing them. Haven't you noticed yet, every problem a female has, is the fault of a man, men are bad, women are blameless. What I have noticed is that you seem to attribute most, if not all, your life "difficulties" to women and that you are very much on a "downer" with regard to them. It makes you a rather dubious "counsellor". But an interesting (although, among foreign men in Thailand, most definitely not unique) case study. Edited February 13, 2018 by Enoon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko123 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Mattd said: This is very true and essentially part of the problem in countries like Thailand, I have lived in Thailand for close on 30 years and have seen very few examples of what most would call 'good' parenting, most children are left to their own devices, even when they are with their parents, it appears to be easier that way. This is multiplied in the instances of young single pregnancies here, as 99 times out of a 100 the parents do not actually do the upbringing, this is done, as I said in a previous post, by the Grandparents, who tend not to be as bothered, the child will get an occasional visit from Mum only. This certainly doesn't apply to all, but given the topic subject, a large percentage. Completely concur with your observations, but the question is how can this cycle of poverty be broken? I say the OP is correct in identifying inequality and lack of economic opportunity as the root cause. Without addressing these underlying issues, solutions like parenting classes, sex education for teens, moral instruction, stricter enforcement of paternal responsibility laws, and sexual abstinence programs are only going to result in marginal improvements. Edited February 13, 2018 by Gecko123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Andersen Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Thai man ofcores take care of you and the child Never heard about condoms na More sexual teaching less about Buddha in school could be a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick220675 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, Gecko123 said: Debate fuel: Isn't sex education info widely available on the internet? What's the point of enforcing financial responsibility for the father if he's only earning 200 baht a day? You are correct, but most Thai teenagers are looking at Korean/Japanese porn to bother with info on condoms. I know this after looking at my daughters google history. On enforcing financial responsibility you are correct. my neighbours ex-boyfriend was taken to court and ordered to pay 5000 baht/month maintenance, he went to live with relatives in Bangkok and paid nothing. She now is reliant on the generosity of my wife. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Lungstib said: You're right. Education. My 14 y.o. adopted daughter had received no sex education at school so I stood in and taught her about pregnancy, HIV, STD's and motherhood at a young age. How can teachers ignore such vital knowledge? I admire your responsible attitude. I have a thirteen year-old stepson and your comment has made me realise I need to do the same with him sometime very soon. Realistically we know that teachers ignore the subject, because one, there's no responsibility taken for a lot of important matters, and two, things relating to sex are culturally embarrassing for most Thais to discuss - especially with kids, therefore they'll run away from it given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko kok prong Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 No doubt the guy has taken off,oh well,Bangkok,Pattaya or Phuket seems to be the destination for Fern,maybe she can get some old falang to fall for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko123 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, mick220675 said: On enforcing financial responsibility you are correct. my neighbours ex-boyfriend was taken to court and ordered to pay 5000 baht/month maintenance, he went to live with relatives in Bangkok and paid nothing. She now is reliant on the generosity of my wife. The only example I can share was my neighbor told me years ago her husband was required/agreed to pay 1,000 baht a month in child support for their 10 year old daughter after their divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Gecko123 said: The only example I can share was my neighbor told me years ago her husband was required/agreed to pay 1,000 baht a month in child support for their 10 year old daughter after their divorce. I'm wondering if it 'was required' or 'agreed'? Even if it 'was required' in a legal sense, we all know the chances of enforcement are realistically zero. I'd go as far as to say that because of this, there's virtually no interest in any sort of contraception by the irresponsible/sexually uneducated edit: Immediately after I posted this, I belatedly noticed the details of the post you quoted, supporting my comment on the lack of enforcement. Edited February 13, 2018 by bluesofa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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