Line Toddler Sex Group Audience Broke No Laws: Police

[KiwiKiwi]

8 minutes ago, Jaggg88 said:

It's almost impossible to trace users of an app such as 'Line' if the phone sims have not been registered and also the communication between users is encrypted. The British police have been complaining about terrorists using whatsapp (similar to Line) to communicate securely.

 

True.

[Get Real]

Just now, sanemax said:

I have explained previously in this thread .

Which laws were broken? If the police or if the total justice system broke them is irrelevant.

Here you have it. 

If you are caught with looking at child pornography or with saved or connected pictures to your computer, you ar arrested and sent to jail. If you are a member of a Line group that looks at a child beeing raped by it´s parents, you are set free of any guilt. 

Yeah, I guess even you know the answer to that. I actually can bring up the Thai law in this case, and present it to you. On the other hand, if you do not get it by the simple explaination already given to you. I just guess that is a total waste of time.

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, Get Real said:

Which laws were broken? If the police or if the total justice system broke them is irrelevant.
Here you have it. 
If you are caught with looking at child pornography or with saved or connected pictures to your computer, you ar arrested and sent to jail. If you are a member of a Line group that looks at a child beeing raped by it´s parents, you are set free of any guilt. 
 

I believe that its a technicality about evidence in Court . 

They cannot bring prosecutions when people just watch something , because theres no evidence to show the Judge .

  They cannot make laws about people simply seeing things .

There are laws about making, owning , buying , selling and numerous other things , had the viewers paid to view it, they could have been prosecuted for that , but they didnt pay for it .

  BTW , I am not defending the viewers at all , just stating why they avoided prosecution 

[Get Real]

12 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I believe that its a technicality about evidence in Court . 

They cannot bring prosecutions when people just watch something , because theres no evidence to show the Judge .

  They cannot make laws about people simply seeing things .

There are laws about making, owning , buying , selling and numerous other things , had the viewers paid to view it, they could have been prosecuted for that , but they didnt pay for it .

  BTW , I am not defending the viewers at all , just stating why they avoided prosecution 

Can you just don´t get it? I can´t care less of what you defend or not defend. Your personal views on things are not relevant here, in the way this discussions have been taking.

But, I will congratulate you, when you say that you can not prosecute or put a sentence on somebody just watching something happen.

My next question! If you were the only one seeing the prime minister beeing raped by five Amazon women, and you just delete the video of it on your phone, run away and finally get caught. You really do not think that leads to a jail sentence?

 

We can make it a little bit easier for you. Maybe somebody just have a photo of their child taking a bath naked. If that is known, how much problem do you thing they would be in?

I am just very sad, that this discussion just reached a level of a childs way of understanding. I just guess that´s where we have to be.

Edited June 26, 2018 by Get Real

[Get Real]

39 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Are you suggesting that I am a pedo ?

As you see! Here is a perfect example of your way of understanding things. Where in the world did you get that he is accusing you of beeing a pedo from????

 

Maybe it´s just a tactic you are using to deviate from the real discussion at hand, when you have no real answer?

Edited June 26, 2018 by Get Real

[anon7867763]

Illegal to smoke an electronic cigarette but legal to be a member of a child rapist group ???? <deleted> ? Oh my God ! and i thought I had heard it all.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

They cannot bring prosecutions when people just watch something , because theres no evidence to show the Judge .

  They cannot make laws about people simply seeing things .

 

 

I can't profess to know Thailand's criminal law on this, but I do know two things:

 

1. In the past, the authorities here have used a VERY BROAD and VAGUELY worded Computer Crimes Act to threaten and prosecute all kinds of different conduct.

 

2. Receiving streamed child porn over the Internet is a deliberate action. It's not like accidentally meeting someone on the street. The recipient has to have signed up for the group on that topic and then on their phone or other device take some action to accept, open or otherwise initiate receipt and viewing of the video. In other places, if the authorities knew the identity of the person who received the child porn content, that would probably be enough for a conviction. And those other places aren't Thailand!

 

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The new CCA is also likely to increase censorship due to its ambiguity because of the broad grounds for offenses “likely to cause damage to the public” under article 14, including “false or partially false” data, “distorted or partially distorted” data, or data likely to “cause public panic” or harm “maintenance of national security, public safety, national economic security, public infrastructure serving the public interest.”

https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/12/21/thailand-cyber-crime-act-tightens-internet-control

 

Edited June 26, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, Get Real said:

Can you just don´t get it? I can´t care less of what you defend or not defend. Your personal views on things are not relevant here, in the way this discussions have been taking.

But, I will congratulate you, when you say that you can not prosecute or put a sentence on somebody just watching something happen.

My next question! If you were the only one seeing the prime minister beeing raped by five Amazon women, and you just delete the video of it on your phone, run away and finally get caught. You really do not think that leads to a jail sentence?

 

We can make it a little bit easier for you. Maybe somebody just have a photo of their child taking a bath naked. If that is known, how much problem do you thing they would be in?

I am just very sad, that this discussion just reached a level of a childs way of understanding. I just guess that´s where we have to be.

I am talking bout rel life , reality , how things work , understanding the situation , rather than the usual "its all corrupt, brown envelops, useless , lazy blah blah blah"

    We are talking about this subject , all your other questions are irrelevant .

If you feel that understanding laws is a "childs way of understanding" ,  that is your issue .

  The RTP have followed the rule of law , if those laws need to be changed , its up to the Politicians to change them .

  The RTP should not ignore laws and act how they want to act , if that were the case , we would all be in trouble

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, Get Real said:

As you see! Here is a perfect example of your way of understanding things. Where in the world did you get that he is accusing you of beeing a pedo from????

Maybe it´s just a tactic you are using to deviate from the real discussion at hand, when you have no real answer?

He stated that the situation may impact me .

A vague accusation and I asked him to clarify what he meant .

He denied making the allegation and I accepted that .

That is how discussions work .

He made an ambiguous comment , I asked him what he meant .

He stated that it wasnt an accusation .

I was happy with that .

Moved on .

 

[Rc2702]

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

I believe that its a technicality about evidence in Court . 

They cannot bring prosecutions when people just watch something , because theres no evidence to show the Judge .

  They cannot make laws about people simply seeing things .

There are laws about making, owning , buying , selling and numerous other things , had the viewers paid to view it, they could have been prosecuted for that , but they didnt pay for it .

  BTW , I am not defending the viewers at all , just stating why they avoided prosecution 

They are perhaps not in line with technology to make the correct decision. The viewers have broken the law but proving it as it stands may be the issue. There are programs that could search devices for the content and forensic recovery tools which could recover parts or even all of that viewing content. Anyone viewing this content has broken the law.

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

They are perhaps not in line with technology to make the correct decision. The viewers have broken the law but proving it as it stands may be the issue. There are programs that could search devices for the content and forensic recovery tools which could recover parts or even all of that viewing content. Anyone viewing this content has broken the law.

Which Thai law was broken ?

[Rc2702]

26 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Which Thai law was broken ?

The same ones which do not allow porn content of any nature. Bottom line though this is highly illegal on a child abuse basis and I'm struggling to reason why you seem to be questioning why this is not legal. 

[sanemax]

19 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

The same ones which do not allow porn content of any nature. Bottom line though this is highly illegal on a child abuse basis and I'm struggling to reason why you seem to be questioning why this is not legal. 

Possession and looking .

I am not defending the viewers and I feel that they should all be investigated

I am just stating the law , they didnt break any laws , thus it isnt illegal .

   Laws maybe should be changed , I am just pointing out that the viewers didnt break any laws and that is why they didnt get charged .

    Its not illegal.  , because thats what the law states .

      

[Rc2702]

9 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Possession and looking .

I am not defending the viewers and I feel that they should all be investigated

I am just stating the law , they didnt break any laws , thus it isnt illegal .

   Laws maybe should be changed , I am just pointing out that the viewers didnt break any laws and that is why they didnt get charged .

    Its not illegal.  , because thats what the law states .

      

Those who possess pornography showing under aged individuals for personal entertainment purposes are liable for a jail term of up to five years and/or a maximum fine of 100,000 baht ($2,774)

 

If the police used the neccessary means to examine the viewers phones and find the static or motion files. They would have the required evidence to prosecute.

 

 

[KCPhuket]

<deleted> is Wrong with this country?? Line em up against the wall...all. AK-47's full auto.

[jvs]

8 hours ago, Rc2702 said:

Those who possess pornography showing under aged individuals for personal entertainment purposes are liable for a jail term of up to five years and/or a maximum fine of 100,000 baht ($2,774)

 

If the police used the neccessary means to examine the viewers phones and find the static or motion files. They would have the required evidence to prosecute.

 

 

As much as i despise the people involved in this in the end it will be a definition that is deciding this case."Those who posses"if they did not download but watched life is it considered to have possession?

That is the issue here.The law needs to change i fully agree,anyone who watches this filth should be prosecuted.Not hung from the highest tree but dealt with according to the law.There are things that need attention in this country but changes wil be slow.

[KiwiKiwi]

3 minutes ago, jvs said:

As much as i despise the people involved in this in the end it will be a definition that is deciding this case."Those who posses"if they did not download but watched life is it considered to have possession?

That is the issue here.The law needs to change i fully agree,anyone who watches this filth should be prosecuted.Not hung from the highest tree but dealt with according to the law.There are things that need attention in this country but changes wil be slow.

 

Read the posts friend. If you watch live, a copy of the data is downloaded to your device, and another (decrypted) copy is sometimes made as well. If you watch it, you possess it. The difficulty lies in getting your ID from LINE, and decrypting any encrypted data. Therein lies the rub.

Edited June 27, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[jvs]

1 minute ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Read the posts friend. If you watch live, a copy is made to your device, and another (decrypted) copy is then made. If you watch it, you possess it.

I could be wrong but that is not how i see it,some systems only leave traces of what you watched.I am not an expert but that was my understanding.

[Cancerian]

There all peodaphies kill them all

[KiwiKiwi]

5 minutes ago, jvs said:

I could be wrong but that is not how i see it,some systems only leave traces of what you watched.I am not an expert but that was my understanding.

 

Not what I said, and it doesn't really matter how you see it (no offence). Apps will often download or stream data and then delete it after viewing. However many apps are not thorough when deleting data remnants. Even if they are efficient, traces are still left and data can often be recovered after deletion. Remember that corporates like LINE are not driven by data security, it's something they have to do (either for legislation or consumer demand), and they're not concerned with the security of porno viewers in the slightest

Edited June 27, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[Get Real]

9 hours ago, sanemax said:

Which Thai law was broken ?

If you do not undestand this, then please refrain from more commenting on this issue. You are just making yourself look more bad.

http://phuketwan.com/tourism/law-thailand-criminalise-child-pornography-22499/

 

Also: 

 

Anyone in Thailand who possession of child pornography will be arrested. As of 7 December 2015, the new Thai law will be strictly enforced by the police, prosecutors, courts, prisons, and immigration maximum penalties of Possession: 5 years in prison, Forwarding: 7 years in prison, and Production: 10 years in prison.   Dec 23, 2015

 

Now you are of course going to try and state that there was no possession of child pornography, and that will only show how little you know about the subject.
If you once have joined a Line Group and viewed something in that group, it will once be downloaded automatically to your item that showed the material. That means downloaded and proof for possession even if the files been deleted.

 

 

[jvs]

11 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Not what I said, and it doesn't really matter how you see it (no offence). Apps will often download or stream data and then delete it after viewing. However many apps are not thorough when deleting data remnants. Even if they are efficient, traces are still left and data can often be recovered after deletion. Remember that corporates like LINE are not driven by data security, it's something they have to do (either for legislation or consumer demand), and they're not concerned with the security of porno viewers in the slightest

I think that is what i said?Traces can prove you watched it but legally

you don't posses it?Whatever the fact is it is still sickening.

[KiwiKiwi]

3 minutes ago, jvs said:

I think that is what i said?Traces can prove you watched it but legally

you don't posses it?Whatever the fact is it is still sickening.

 

 

I think you'll find that if the data is on your device and has been viewed, you are deemed to own it.

 

Might be wrong but I don't think so.

[DM07]

17 hours ago, robblok said:

Most of the people prosecuted by the Thai courts are Thais. So to suggest that the police is not going after Thais..  is a bit crazy to say the least. 

Does the name "Koh Tao" ring a bell?

[DM07]

15 hours ago, sanemax said:

That would be further investigations though .

We are talking bout this crime and the reason why the viewers were not arrested and prosecuted for viewing this crime and thats because they broke no laws.

    Hopefully the Police will track the viewers down and investigate them for any other crimes that they may have committed .

  Those would be other crimes and issues and investigations though , now we are talking about this specific crime in the OP

So in Thailand it is no crime to watch a person raping a child and NOT contacting the police to report it?

Just asking for a friend...

 

Dude...you should sooo change your username!

Edited June 27, 2018 by DM07

[robblok]

11 minutes ago, DM07 said:

Does the name "Koh Tao" ring a bell?

Yes but i fail to see what this has to do with that, to suggest that the police only goes after foreign criminals is laughable because it does not explain why jails are full with Thai criminals. That was what the poster said with racist statement. 

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, DM07 said:

So in Thailand it is no crime to watch a person raping a child and NOT contacting the police to report it?

Just asking for a friend...

Dude...you should sooo change your username!

Why do you need to ask ?

Put two pieces of the story together yourself ?

*Some people watched the crime and didnt report it to the Police*

*The people didn't commit any crime, said the Police*

Can you not answer your question yourself ?

Do you really need to ask someone and for someone to tell you ?

[DM07]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes but i fail to see what this has to do with that, to suggest that the police only goes after foreign criminals is laughable because it does not explain why jails are full with Thai criminals. That was what the poster said with racist statement. 

They are full of THAI- criminals, because we are in THAILAND!

The poster was using hyperbole to make a certain point.

Get over it!

[DM07]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Why do you need to ask ?

Put two pieces of the story together yourself ?

*Some people watched the crime and didnt report it to the Police*

*The people didn't commit any crime, said the Police*

Can you not answer your question yourself ?

Do you really need to ask someone and for someone to tell you ?

Change your username!

Please!

It has been pointed out to you that a) there was a crime committed (possession and consuming of child porn/ viewing of pornographic content/ witnessing a heinous crime and NOT reporting it to the police)  and b ) that someone (especially the RTP) stating, no law has been broken and actually no laws has been broken, are two different things!

If you don't get it, you are beyond help! 

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, DM07 said:

They are full of THAI- criminals, because we are in THAILAND!

The poster was using hyperbole to make a certain point.

Get over it!

The poster is a racist by his own admission and if you follow his posts you will see so. Get over it.