Polish opposition kicks off election campaign with 'Polexit' warning

[Krataiboy]

5 hours ago, DoctorG said:

Poland is the biggest net recipient of EU aid - Bloomberg

 

Of course they would vote to stay in.

Now we know why the EU mafia is keen to keep their hands in our pockets. This year the UK is due to cough up 15.5 billion euros to boost the EU's battered budget. 

 

Without our contribution, the other big fish like Germany and France would face having to pay more to bail out the Poles and the federation's other tiddler economies.

Edited April 7, 2019 by Krataiboy

[yogi100]

2 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

Just find it strange that folks voted these people in and didn't know what they stood for?

 

RE:  you saying: how not to let your PM and MP's get their way - so they were voted in and they shouldn't get 'their' way?

Sorry I'm not trying to be obtuse, just trying to gain some sort of understanding of what went wrong.

 

 

They're meant to be representatives of the people not themselves and should strive to implement the wishes of the majority of the people which in our case was the result of the 2016 EU referendum.

 

Typically the large majority of politicians ensured that a dedicated remainer took on the job of getting us out of the EU when a honourable and sincere gesture would have been to give the job to a Brexiteer. 

 

One important fact speaks for itself, it's nearly three years on and we're still in the EU with Dancing Queen Theresa May obediently performing for unelected European bureaucrats just like she did when entertaining tribal leaders and boy scouts in Africa. And leaving herself open to ridicule by anyone who cares to observe such stupid antics..

 

 

Whether you're a leaver or a remainer this is the governmental clown who has been given possibly the most important task in British politics since WW2. No wonder the world is laughing at us.

Edited April 7, 2019 by yogi100

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I'm not in any club. But as the current parliament and government have proved themselves inept, ineffective and incapable of acting like professionals and doing the job they're generously paid to do, it seems there's no alternative but to have another advisory referendum. 

Nothing to do with the referendum. The fix to the problem you describe is an alternative government.

[from the home of CC]

1 hour ago, yogi100 said:

Whether you're a leaver or a remainer this is the governmental clown who has been given possibly the most important task in British politics since WW2. No wonder the world is laughing at us.

 When you really come down to it I don't believe the world is laughing at you. If anything there's some trepidation of what the future holds for this has affected a great many people and has the potential to affect many more. The world has enough strife and drama going on without more created. Hopefully sane thinkers will work a way out of the juxtaposed jam of leave or stay, get your currency back to normal and create an optimism for the future which understandably has recently waned. Your resolve will see you through. 

[Anythingleft?]

Ahem! Have you read the OP?
"If Poland was to hold a referendum similar to Britain's Brexit ballot, 88 percent of Poles would vote against leaving the bloc, according to an opinion poll published this month by IBSP."

I think if nothing else from the last few years worldwide, polls are to be taken with a pinch of salt......

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[shadowofacloud]

Honestly, why is this news? Shall we expect more fascinating stories from South Sudan, Gabon or Djibouti?

 

Poland is a backward, conservative s**thole (I travel there for work, thus do have first-hand knowledge), currently run by a bunch of right-wingers, sucking the flaccid, withered c**k of their nazi leader, Katchynsky.

 

Honestly, this place is best forgotten until it comes up with a more progressive government and finally cuts its ties with its nationalist past. Some countries just need to mature.

Edited April 7, 2019 by shadowofacloud

[Krataiboy]

8 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

It's amazing how many Brexiters appear to have absolutely no idea about the workings of the UK parliament, it's constitution and laws.

 

They all believe the likes of Boris, R-Mogg, etc. (Ask yourself why very rich people from very rich families want to "serve" in high political office?)

 

Not all constituents voted for their MP and his/her party; not all voted leave. But the MP is supposed to make balanced judgments on what's best for the country whilst representing ALL constituents, not just the ones who voted for them. 

 

Clinging on to this idea that some shoddy advisory referendum badly implemented by the very rich elite Cameron who arrogantly thought he could use it to quell splits in the Tory party, is some sort of sacrosanct decision that can never be reversed, discussed and must be obeyed is not British constitutional representative democracy.

Keep spitting out the sour grapes, loser. . . and now try chomping on this latest "people's vote" on the performance of those Parliamentary goons you are so pathetically seek to defend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev9gUQsC6Hs

 

 

 

[candide]

11 hours ago, Anythingleft? said:

I think if nothing else from the last few years worldwide, polls are to be taken with a pinch of salt......

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Obviously, you don't know Poland. They have suffered from a communist regime and the EU is for them a guarantee of democracy. Wich, by the way, is exactly the role currently played by the EU against the current proto-fascist government. Most of all, they have been dominated by Russia, so they hate and fear Russia. They may be nationalist, which is well explained by their history, but they will never leave the safeguard of the EU, against various hegemonic pressures from Russia. 

[Anythingleft?]

Obviously, you don't know Poland. They have suffered from a communist regime and the EU is for them a guarantee of democracy. Wich, by the way, is exactly the role currently played by the EU against the current proto-fascist government. Most of all, they have been dominated by Russia, so they hate and fear Russia. They may be nationalist, which is well explained by their history, but they will never leave the safeguard of the EU, against various hegemonic pressures from Russia. 

Obviously you can't interpret my post which has no reflection of the Polish, or indeed of Poland......

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[candide]

2 minutes ago, Anythingleft? said:

Obviously you can't interpret my post which has no reflection of the Polish, or indeed of Poland......

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I agree that your post addresses a general and quite relevant concern. However, this thread is about Poland, and more precisely, about the opposition relying on the fear that the current government may want to leave the EU.

[Anythingleft?]

I agree that your post addresses a general and quite relevant concern. However, this thread is about Poland, and more precisely, about the opposition relying on the fear that the current government may want to leave the EU.

Not fear, it's fact

The five party coalition made up recently is a direct response to the current monopoly wanting to leave the EU

Right or wrong this nation will get an answer soon enough, they will have some difficult times ahead I am sure

Personally I think the EU is done for in the longterm, should the vote go against the EU in Poland (which is by no means unimaginable) it will no doubt have severe repercussions for the other members......

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[JAG]

23 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

weren't these people voted in by a democratic election?

They were. On a manifesto (promise) to honour and enact the decision reached by the referendum.

 

A promise/manifesto swiftly abandoned once they were aboard the gravy train for another 5 years. No doubt they are banking on the electorate forgetting what they did (break a manifesto/promise) when the time comes for re-election.

[dick dasterdly]

On 4/7/2019 at 10:28 AM, DoctorG said:

Poland is the biggest net recipient of EU aid - Bloomberg

 

Of course they would vote to stay in.

Not necessarily.

 

It depends on whether the electorate are seeing any benefit (in their own lives) from that 'largess' - or whether they think it is all going to the wealthy?

[Krataiboy]

On 4/8/2019 at 9:49 AM, candide said:

Obviously, you don't know Poland. They have suffered from a communist regime and the EU is for them a guarantee of democracy. Wich, by the way, is exactly the role currently played by the EU against the current proto-fascist government. Most of all, they have been dominated by Russia, so they hate and fear Russia. They may be nationalist, which is well explained by their history, but they will never leave the safeguard of the EU, against various hegemonic pressures from Russia. 

The increasing undemocratic nature of the EU is one of the reasons a majority of Brits voted Leave in Brexit referendum.

 

As the Euro superstate systematically devolves political power from national governments to a "politburo" of unelected bureaucrats, you can't blame the Poles for wondering if they have swapped frying pan for fire. 

Edited April 9, 2019 by Krataiboy

[candide]

39 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

The increasing undemocratic nature of the EU is one of the reasons a majority of Brits voted Leave in Brexit referendum.

 

As the Euro superstate systematically devolves political power from national governments to a "politburo" of unelected bureaucrats, you can't blame the Poles for wondering if they have swapped frying pan for fire. 

Currently the EU is countering undemocratic tendencies of the current government. That's fact, not opinion. Check what they have done and tell me if you would like the same to happen in UK.

 

Moreover, I know you are obsessed with Brexit but where did you read in the OP that a large share of Poles are attracted by the idea of exiting the EU?

Edited April 9, 2019 by candide

[Anythingleft?]

Currently the EU is countering undemocratic tendencies of the current government. That's fact, not opinion. Check what they have done and tell me if you would like the same to happen in UK.
 
Moreover, I know you are obsessed with Brexit but where did you read in the OP that a large share of Poles are attracted by the idea of exiting the EU?

Is the UK government not doing this by wriggling out of a majority vote from 3 years ago?.....

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[Krataiboy]

5 hours ago, candide said:

Currently the EU is countering undemocratic tendencies of the current government. That's fact, not opinion. Check what they have done and tell me if you would like the same to happen in UK.

My view of Polish democracy is irrelevant. It's horses for courses. If Poles don't like the way their country is being run, they can change their leadership - but not, of course, the Brussels bureaucracy.

 

5 hours ago, candide said:

Moreover, I know you are obsessed with Brexit but where did you read in the OP that a large share of Poles are attracted by the idea of exiting the EU?

I didn't say a large share of Poles were ready to exit the EU. Right now, they remain too dependent on EU funding (over 100 million Euros so far). However, Donald Tusk has expressed concern over the prospect of an eventual Polexit.

Edited April 9, 2019 by Krataiboy