UK's Labour questions whether successor to PM May would honour Brexit deal

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UK's Labour questions whether successor to PM May would honour Brexit deal

 

Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May arrives at church, as Brexit turmoil continues, in Sonning, Britain, May 5, 2019. REUTERS/Simon Dawson

 

LONDON (Reuters) - A major sticking point in talks between Britain's government and opposition Labour Party is the lack of any guarantee that a successor to Prime Minister Theresa May would deliver on anyBrexit agreement, Labour's trade policy chief said on Sunday.

 

May, who has offered to quit if lawmakers accept her Brexit deal, opened cross-party talks with Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party more than a month ago after parliament rejected her European Union withdrawal deal three times.

 

Barry Gardiner told Sky News: "We don't know at this stage even if we could negotiate a deal, what we don't know is whether the successor to Theresa May would actually deliver on it and that's one of the big sticking points that we have."

 

(Reporting by Elizabeth Piper; Editing by Toby Chopra)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-05-13

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[allane]

After Theresa May gets her deal through Parliament and resigns, she will likely be replaced by someone from the "Hard Brexit" wing of the party  Let's presume that it is  a Boris Jonson.  He can go to Brussels, raise his voice, and thump his fist on the table if he wants to. If that is what he does, he will come home with less, not more than what a Theresa May would have achieved.

[geoffbezoz]

1 minute ago, allane said:

After Theresa May gets her deal through Parliament and resigns, she will likely be replaced by someone from the "Hard Brexit" wing of the party  Let's presume that it is  a Boris Jonson.  He can go to Brussels, raise his voice, and thump his fist on the table if he wants to. If that is what he does, he will come home with less, not more than what a Theresa May would have achieved.

Not likely that TM will get her deal through once there is a second referendum and the article 50 document is withdrawn, unless you really do believe in fairy tales.

[blazes]

Yoy

38 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said:

Not likely that TM will get her deal through once there is a second referendum and the article 50 document is withdrawn, unless you really do believe in fairy tales.

 

One would indeed have to believe in "fairy tales" to imagine that there will be a "second referendum"....

[evadgib]

May won't be adorning the vacant plinth @ Westminster. It's reserved for Farage although Gina Miller might leap-frog him if her precedent enables the high court to declare that UK did in fact leave the EU on 29 March (????)

[rodentwarrior]

Theresa May's deal isn't a clean break with the EU.  This is the problem.  Brexiteers want a return to an Independent Great Britain, a so-called Hard Brexit.  Rightly or wrongly, the British Taxpayer is very tired of sending money to Europe, while the UK struggles with funding its own services.  The EU has bailed out corrupt Countries like Greece, without securing proper change, and ignoring the lies Greece told in order to join the club.  The EU is a socialist cabal, using ideology as its guide.  Economics has been quietly put aside.

 

I think it's likely irrelevant, as the EU elections later this month will give a useful indication of how a General Election would play out.

 

The referendum was clear enough.  The majority of voters chose to leave the EU.  Parliament has decided to usurp this clear decision, and muddy the water with noise and anti democratic nonsense.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, allane said:

After Theresa May gets her deal through Parliament and resigns, she will likely be replaced by someone from the "Hard Brexit" wing of the party  Let's presume that it is  a Boris Jonson.  He can go to Brussels, raise his voice, and thump his fist on the table if he wants to. If that is what he does, he will come home with less, not more than what a Theresa May would have achieved.

How could we get any less?

[rodentwarrior]

2 hours ago, allane said:

After Theresa May gets her deal through Parliament and resigns, she will likely be replaced by someone from the "Hard Brexit" wing of the party 

I'm not convinced Theresa May will get her 'deal' through Parliament, since it keeps us tied to the EU, when the vote was to 'leave' the EU.

[evadgib]

Popcorn at the ready....????

 

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

May won't be adorning the vacant plinth @ Westminster. It's reserved for Farage although Gina Miller might leap-frog him if her precedent enables the high court to declare that UK did in fact leave the EU on 29 March (????)

Here is the latest if anyone missed it:

 

Edited May 13, 2019 by evadgib

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, rodentwarrior said:

Theresa May's deal isn't a clean break with the EU.  This is the problem.  Brexiteers want a return to an Independent Great Britain, a so-called Hard Brexit.

That's not true, or your definition of a brexiteer is a undefinable proportion of the the 17.4 million who voted leave, which is why a referendum to ratify any deal is required...

[Krataiboy]

It is not "her (May's) Brexit deal". It is the EU's. Brussels' patsy May should have resigned immediately after it was rightly rejected by Parliament first time around. 

 

The last thing we need is another Commons vote giving our slippery career politicians a fourth chance to sell us out. 

 

May must resign immediately and hope that the history books are kinder to her than she deserves

 

Her replacement must be a committed Leaver who will deliver the Brexit 17.4 million Brits voted for - not one turning us into the toothless lapdog of a dying and dysfunctional Euro superstate.

Edited May 13, 2019 by Krataiboy

[abrahamzvi]

3 hours ago, blazes said:

Yoy

 

One would indeed have to believe in "fairy tales" to imagine that there will be a "second referendum"....

Unfortunately you are right that the only just solution - a second referendum - is a "fairy tale". UNFORTUNATELY!!!!

[nauseus]

59 minutes ago, Basil B said:

That's not true, or your definition of a brexiteer is a undefinable proportion of the the 17.4 million who voted leave, which is why a referendum to ratify any deal is required...

Cobblers. 17.4 million voted leave, whatever definition you want to apply to "Brexiteer". They did not vote for a deal and certainly did not vote for another referendum on anything.   

[rodentwarrior]

[tebee]

3 hours ago, rodentwarrior said:

Theresa May's deal isn't a clean break with the EU.  This is the problem.  Brexiteers want a return to an Independent Great Britain, a so-called Hard Brexit.  Rightly or wrongly, the British Taxpayer is very tired of sending money to Europe, while the UK struggles with funding its own services. 

.

wrongly.

[tebee]

3 hours ago, rodentwarrior said:

I'm not convinced Theresa May will get her 'deal' through Parliament, since it keeps us tied to the EU, when the vote was to 'leave' the EU.

 

 

If your definition of leave is never pay another penny and never speak again, I suggest you try leaving your wife and kids, when you share a house and business with them, refuse to speak to her or her lawyers and refuse to pay her another penny. See how well that works out for you.  

[malagateddy]

 
If your definition of leave is never pay another penny and never speak again, I suggest you try leaving your wife and kids, when you share a house and business with them, refuse to speak to her or her lawyers and refuse to pay her another penny. See how well that works out for you.  

Depends where you are in the world..depends how good and how much experience your QC is/has.
Many factors still to come into play..the 5 eyes for example..worth s pretty penny surely[emoji6]

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[tebee]

6 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Depends where you are in the world..depends how good and how much experience your QC is/has.
Many factors still to come into play..the 5 eyes for example..worth s pretty penny surely

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Well, let's assume our QC is Boris Johnson then... 

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 hours ago, evadgib said:

May won't be adorning the vacant plinth @ Westminster. It's reserved for Farage although Gina Miller might leap-frog him if her precedent enables the high court to declare that UK did in fact leave the EU on 29 March (????)

And how exactly would the UK high court be able to unilaterally change a bilateral agreement in international law? It’s remarkable how Brexiteers complain about being called uneducated fools while they don’t miss an opportunity to make a fool of themselves by commenting on issues they don’t have a clue about. What’s your stance on how to do a heart transplantation? 

[teacherofwoe]

25 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

If your definition of leave is never pay another penny and never speak again, I suggest you try leaving your wife and kids, when you share a house and business with them, refuse to speak to her or her lawyers and refuse to pay her another penny. See how well that works out for you.  

Interesting analogy. Let me see.

 

If I divorce my wife and leave my kids, I will speak to them every day. It makes relationships stronger. My wife (EU), however, won't be able to share my house (UK). She and her family (EU tourists) can visit whenever they like though. The kids (EU citizens) can visit any time they like and stay for longer as they like because bring more benefit to me (EU professionals and businesses). I would expect the same courtesy from my wife (EU) to take care of the kids (UK citizens, UK professionals and businesses) while staying with her (EU.) 

 

I have a business with my wife which is extremely beneficial to us both as well as the children (EU & UK businesses and citizens). However, if she decided not to do business with me, I would be happy to do business with others (WTO). I would actually find more business opportunities giving a greater profit too. She would be free to do business with whoever she wanted, but probably with a great loss as I (UK) have a major impact on her (EU) profitability. 

 

Now, if she starts playing the bitch card (EU tariffs, laws and regulations), then I will tell her where to get off, because I can do better without her than she can do without me. "I want to take my kids (EU citizens) to the cinema; you pay." "F you! I will take my kids (UK citizens) to the cinema." "I want to take my kids (EU citizens) to the beach for a holiday; you pay." "FF you! I will take my kids (UK citizens) to the beach for a holiday." So forth and so on. 

 

The best scenario is for both houses to be managed independently but come together for mutual benefit. Remember, there are plenty of fish in the sea (WTO). I (UK) am a big boy with lots of experience and potential, so I will always land on my feet. 

[ThaiBunny]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

If your definition of leave is never pay another penny and never speak again, I suggest you try leaving your wife and kids, when you share a house and business with them, refuse to speak to her or her lawyers and refuse to pay her another penny. See how well that works out for you.  

As naive an analogy as the politicians who talk about the country "living off its credit card" when it goes into debt

[Thingamabob]

7 hours ago, allane said:

After Theresa May gets her deal through Parliament and resigns, she will likely be replaced by someone from the "Hard Brexit" wing of the party  Let's presume that it is  a Boris Jonson.  He can go to Brussels, raise his voice, and thump his fist on the table if he wants to. If that is what he does, he will come home with less, not more than what a Theresa May would have achieved.

I don't think so. First job for any successor will be to fire Robbins, and take a tough line thereafter. No need to grovel to the EU.

[tebee]

7 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

I don't think so. First job for any successor will be to fire Robbins, and take a tough line thereafter. No need to grovel to the EU.

So we wait to grovel until after we've left with not deal and realize we've made a terrible hash of it ?

[Loiner]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

May, who has offered to quit if lawmakers accept her Brexit deal

Well no body is accepting that 'deal' either. She has to go now, without her Merkel/May Surrender Treaty being accepted. The premiership has got to be given to a Brexiteer PM to sort out her EU Remainer mess, preferably with No Deal unless it has some major advantages for the UK. 

 

Barry Gardiner and Corbyn are not capable of negotiating any kind of deal with anybody and don't know anything. That's their main sticking point. 

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, evadgib said:

Popcorn at the ready....????

 

 

As usual Farage deflects, rudely interrupts, tries to bully and bluster and says nothing meaningful. His wriggling to try and avoid really saying what his position on the NHS, that American style health insurance should replace it, is entertaining. 

 

He's a cheap spiv being bankrolled by someone for a purpose.

 

But the Brexiteers lap up the drivel he spews out, regardless that most of it is not even close to being factual. He simply blames everything on the EU and asserts UK will be a land of milk and honey once we leave. He's already lined his own pockets and will piss-off again when it suits him.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

Well no body is accepting that 'deal' either. She has to go now, without her Merkel/May Surrender Treaty being accepted. The premiership has got to be given to a Brexiteer PM to sort out her EU Remainer mess, preferably with No Deal unless it has some major advantages for the UK. 

 

Barry Gardiner and Corbyn are not capable of negotiating any kind of deal with anybody and don't know anything. That's their main sticking point. 

 

A Brexiteer - what like Boris, Gove, R-Mogg - all proven liars, self enriching hiso extreme right wingers?

 

Yeah, they'll sort things out in a way that benefits everybody! 

 

You keep believing that.

[Baerboxer]

6 minutes ago, tebee said:

So we wait to grovel until after we've left with not deal and realize we've made a terrible hash of it ?

 

You must remember that Brexiteers think Britannia still rules the waves! We'll tell the EU how it's gonna be; then the 134 non EU members of the WTO (several of whom have already said they object to the UK's proposals); and we'll tell China, Russia, and everyone else best behave!

 

They really have little idea of reality and believe the garbage Farage etc spew out.

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

A Brexiteer - what like Boris, Gove, R-Mogg - all proven liars, self enriching hiso extreme right wingers?

 

Yeah, they'll sort things out in a way that benefits everybody! 

 

You keep believing that.

So give us a shining example of an honest MP who can be PM.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You must remember that Brexiteers think Britannia still rules the waves! We'll tell the EU how it's gonna be; then the 134 non EU members of the WTO (several of whom have already said they object to the UK's proposals); and we'll tell China, Russia, and everyone else best behave!

 

They really have little idea of reality and believe the garbage Farage etc spew out.

You seem to be the expert on garbage disposal.