Uk Visa Refusal \ And Recommendation Of Thai Agency

[usb]

HI All

My Thai girl friend has just had her vacation visa application to the UK refused, We want to try again but I think we will need some professional help, especially if she has to have an interview.

We have all the paperwork but can anyone recommend an agency, ideally one which can provide someone to attend an interview with her.

As a background and in case any one can help,

Her first application 5 years ago was successful and she has visited the UK to see her Thai sister/English Brother-in-law, and returned.

Her second application to do the same was refused, Embassy thought she was looking for a UK husband to stay permanently.

Her Third Application, 3 years ago, was also refused, this time she married to a UK citizen, but the embassy said he was unable to support her properly.

Now divorced , she last week had her fourth application refused (her first with me), the main reason being that she never mentioned the 2 previous refusals on her application. And because of previous attempts they doubt her intentions to return.

I believe my situation to support her is strong, but want to know if it is worth ever trying again??

Thanks in advance.

USB

[expatgaz]

This is the main problem.She was not honest on the application.I would never recommend agents,I'd rather say be perfectly honest and if she is then really you'd more than likely get a visa.The track record which you state is not a very good one and add that to not being open with the trueth....then what did you really expect ?

Sorry if it sounds harsh but there you go.If more people did this whole process correctly there'd be very little problems for the valid cases .

[scotty123456789]

Sorry about that mate.

www.visano1.com try these they charge £599 for a settlement visa, i dont know how much for a tourist visa.

I have looked at them myself but with the advise ive had on here, i dont think that is necessery for me.

My post is below yours, SETTLEMENT VISA APPLICATION.

Wait for scouse/manhout/conner mate they know better than me.

Good luck.

[Mossfinn]

We want to try again but I think we will need some professional help, especially if she has to have an interview.

We have all the paperwork but can anyone recommend an agency, ideally one which can provide someone to attend an interview with her.

Hi usb,

If you require an agent ensure it is an OISC registered one, there are too many Agencies out there that are just not worth the effort.

No Agency and I mean NONE can guarantee you a Visa, no matter what they promise or charge.

Never lie on the application or in the interview, and no Agent can accompany your partner in an interview in any case.

If you require an Agent and it would appear at this stage you do, because it is not anywhere near straight forward, contact DaviesKhan, AKA Scouse on this forum.

He has helped many and has many endorsements on this sub-forum.

Moss

[Mahout Angrit]

With her background I think you are going to struggle. To be honest the embassy's reasons for refusal look pretty sound. She has tried to go alone, she tried with a husband but when that didn't work they divorced, now she's trying again....Why does she always meet British men? I would also doubt her intentions too(perhaps you should also). It looks to me also she is simply determined to go UK and only UK.

It's not just your support that they will be looking at it is her intentions and clearly that is what they doubt. Has she a compelling reason to return to Thailand at the end of her UK visit? I probably think not, does she work?

No agent can perform miracles either, the final decision is with the Embassy. An agent may give her pre interview coaching but she will have to attend the interview alone.

Sorry to be so direct.. but I would think you should work on her having a compelling reason to return to Thailand like getting her a job so she can get a letter from her employer or move to Thailand if you want be be with her but somehow I dont think that is what she has in mind.

[scotty123456789]

Moss,

Ive got a post running at the mo titled settlement visa application, maybe you have read it.

You state to always be honest in the interview right?

Well we met in the bar she worked, if my wife is called in for interview and she is asked how we met ect

Should we tell the truth and say we met at the bar where she worked? and if asked if she was a working girl, should she be honest and say yes she was?

Ive put together a good application but, i dont know if we should tell them the circumstances how we met.

What you think buddy????

[usb]

HI Mahout,

Thanks for replying.

As for Need to return, She works in a Beauty Parlour, as a Barbour and masseus, It a legit place, shes qualified and has certificates in both.

She has a letter from her boss guaranteeing a job on her return. She also has property and a car in Thailand.

She also returned legally on her previous visit.

As for always an English person, she does have two sisters married and working here, The first two applications were to see them, the third was to an english guy she met over here.

If she cannot take an agent into the interview with her, can she take a friend, or me, or at least an interpreter, the English she does have deteriorates the more flustered she gets.

Thanks again

USB

[mikeybee]

Usb..........From my own dealings with the embassy i think this ones going to be a uphill struggle, All the embassy is going to do now is through these questions back at your girlfriend everytime she applys and as for a agent stay away they cant promise no one a visa.

Just one question, How long have you been with your girlfriend...?

Hope scouse has a view on this one.......Goodluck

[scotty123456789]

I believe she cannot take no one into the interview.

There will be a thai interpreter for her, but she has to be interviewed alone im afraid.

[Mossfinn]

Moss,

Ive got a post running at the mo titled settlement visa application, maybe you have read it.

You state to always be honest in the interview right?

Well we met in the bar she worked, if my wife is called in for interview and she is asked how we met ect

Should we tell the truth and say we met at the bar where she worked? and if asked if she was a working girl, should she be honest and say yes she was?

Ive put together a good application but, i dont know if we should tell them the circumstances how we met.

What you think buddy????

Hi Scott, A little unsure of the, ' buddy???? ', part, but as I don't understand it, I will let it ride.

As for your post, I believe I read it at the beginning but haven't for some time, I will go back and read it now.

I always state to be honest in the application and in the interview, because people get visa's from all walks of life, and as you state your partner worked in a bar, there are several forms of bar work, and all areas of this work get visa's. Liars don't. There is no stipulation in the visa rules that state that a bar girl will not get a visa.

If you tell lies in an interview or application and your partner gets caught out and they are very good at catching you in a lie, then you are stumped.

This question has come up many times here and one very good thread discussed this at length, I will try and find it, but it was a while ago, so it might take some time.

I stated in that thread, that it is always best to tell the truth, for the above reasons, others said to lie as they would be discriminated against, I also went on to say there is a, 'Tony Blair' third way, and that is to be economical with the truth if you feel happier that way.

To lie by omission is, in my view not a lie, if you are not asked, don't volunteer the information, if asked where you met, if it served food say it was a restaurant/bar, where is the lie?

As for your circumstances, I am not in full possession of the facts and even if I were, it has to be your call, people can only offer advice, only you can decide on acting on that advice.

If you are really in doubt on your circumstances, have you thought of an OISC advisor?

Good Luck

Moss

[ThaiPauly]

DEFINATLEY contact Davis Kahn..no other...they will give you a straight answer and help if they are able.

Good Luck

[scotty123456789]

Buddy, means mate.

I have a good application to put forward, been together with my wife just over a year and have all the necessery docs.

Ive talked about telling the truth with her and we have decided to ( if asked ) tell them we met in the bar.

She was just service girl, serving drinks/food cleaning tables etc we are going to tell them.

If she is asked if she was a working girl then we are going to say no.

We have no other lyes.

Cheers..

[Mossfinn]

Buddy, means mate.

I have a good application to put forward, been together with my wife just over a year and have all the necessery docs.

Ive talked about telling the truth with her and we have decided to ( if asked ) tell them we met in the bar.

She was just service girl, serving drinks/food cleaning tables etc we are going to tell them.

If she is asked if she was a working girl then we are going to say no.

We have no other lyes.

Cheers..

Hi Scotty, it was the question marks I was questioning.

I have just read your topmost previous post, but not the preceding ones, so am still not in on all the facts.

But if you re-read posts 9, by Mahout and 11 by Scouse and 13 & 15 by Connor you will see corroboration in what I have been saying in the above post about lying.

As for your post 16, all you need to provide is evidence that you can provide for the welfare of your partner with your available finances, if you can live on 220 pounds after relevant expenses this will be fine.

Good Luck

Moss

[Mossfinn]

HI Mahout,

Thanks for replying.

As for Need to return, She works in a Beauty Parlour, as a Barbour and masseus, It a legit place, shes qualified and has certificates in both.

She has a letter from her boss guaranteeing a job on her return. She also has property and a car in Thailand.

She also returned legally on her previous visit.

As for always an English person, she does have two sisters married and working here, The first two applications were to see them, the third was to an english guy she met over here.

If she cannot take an agent into the interview with her, can she take a friend, or me, or at least an interpreter, the English she does have deteriorates the more flustered she gets.

Thanks again

USB

As others have stated, you cannot take anyone into the interview, she does have some form of evidence of returning, but it will be on the balance of probabilities and they are still perhaps a little weak.

The job can easily be replaced over here and the property and car easily passed on to family members with little detriment to herself, having said that I am not sure to what level they really want as it changes from one ECO to another.

My wife had a lot less than that, although she did have a part ownership of a beauty parlour, but on my reasoning above that could easily be passed on with little detriment.

The problem is the previous lie and refusals, if you want my opinion, give Scouse a call.

Good Luck

Moss

[scotty123456789]

Thanks moss,

Ive managed to support her plus get over to Phetchabun a few times in the last year so i suppose £220 goes along way .

Also she wants to work when here, im gona try and get her at my company in the offices upstairs.

Yes we are not going to lye, we are going to say we met in the bar.

I suppose if you dont lye, they cant catch you out.

As for hiring an agent, ive thought about this but with the advise ive been given on this site then i think it would just be a waste of money.

I was quoted £599 with visano1.com but to me i have every chance without using them.

Im going back to see her in less than two weeks so cant wait to see the folks again.

Thanks all...

[Mossfinn]

Thanks moss,

Ive managed to support her plus get over to Phetchabun a few times in the last year so i suppose £220 goes along way .

Also she wants to work when here, im gona try and get her at my company in the offices upstairs.

Yes we are not going to lye, we are going to say we met in the bar.

I suppose if you dont lye, they cant catch you out.

As for hiring an agent, ive thought about this but with the advise ive been given on this site then i think it would just be a waste of money.

I was quoted £599 with visano1.com but to me i have every chance without using them.

Im going back to see her in less than two weeks so cant wait to see the folks again.

Thanks all...

Scotty, I think that is the way to go too, never heard of visano1, but they were not actually who I had in mind.

Good Luck, it is a very anxious period of your life, character building I like to think, but it is one part of the building blocks of the University of Life I could have done without

Good Luck again,

Moss

[Mossfinn]

Moss,

Ive got a post running at the mo titled settlement visa application, maybe you have read it.

You state to always be honest in the interview right?

Well we met in the bar she worked, if my wife is called in for interview and she is asked how we met ect

Should we tell the truth and say we met at the bar where she worked? and if asked if she was a working girl, should she be honest and say yes she was?

Ive put together a good application but, i dont know if we should tell them the circumstances how we met.

What you think buddy????

I always state to be honest in the application and in the interview, because people get visa's from all walks of life, and as you state your partner worked in a bar, there are several forms of bar work, and all areas of this work get visa's. Liars don't. There is no stipulation in the visa rules that state that a bar girl will not get a visa.

If you tell lies in an interview or application and your partner gets caught out and they are very good at catching you in a lie, then you are stumped.

This question has come up many times here and one very good thread discussed this at length, I will try and find it, but it was a while ago, so it might take some time.

I stated in that thread, that it is always best to tell the truth, for the above reasons, others said to lie as they would be discriminated against, I also went on to say there is a, 'Tony Blair' third way, and that is to be economical with the truth if you feel happier that way.

To lie by omission is, in my view not a lie, if you are not asked, don't volunteer the information, if asked where you met, if it served food say it was a restaurant/bar, where is the lie?

Moss

Hi again Scotty,

I said I would try and find a previous thread and Here it is

Moss

[Mahout Angrit]

usb

Good she has a job and a job guaranteed on her return, the problem is that we (both you and I probably) don't know what has been said in previous applications but sure the embassy will have all the records and records of her various sponsors so if she has changed her story from what it was then they are sure to question it.

Things that I might question (although it is none of my business) is how an employed masseus has obtained property and a car? So you might say she's damned that she has a job and damned if she hasn't and you would be right.

To be honest getting a visit visa to UK requires

1) Enough funds for the trip

2) Suitable available accomodation once there

3) A reason to return to Thailand

That's all, you can provide the first two but the 3rd is always the most difficult.

As she has two sisters in UK (and I know she has already had a visa refused for this reason)

but I think she would be more likely to be successful if her sisters were her sponsors as it would be a family visit and refusals of a family visit have a right of appeal (whereas to visit a b/f does not). If she did then appeal a refusal the ECO's would have to defend and justify their decision so it had better have foundation.

However, from what you have said here, my money would be on the embassy to win the appeal too, they seem to have valid reasons.

If you want to persue this relationship you should get yourself over to Thailand a few times, keep the proof and apply in a few years time.

As for the interview, it can be held in Thai language as there is always a Thai speaker present

Edited June 9, 2007 by Mahout Angrit

[carnival1200]

HI All

My Thai girl friend has just had her vacation visa application to the UK refused, We want to try again but I think we will need some professional help, especially if she has to have an interview.

We have all the paperwork but can anyone recommend an agency, ideally one which can provide someone to attend an interview with her.

As a background and in case any one can help,

Her first application 5 years ago was successful and she has visited the UK to see her Thai sister/English Brother-in-law, and returned.

Her second application to do the same was refused, Embassy thought she was looking for a UK husband to stay permanently.

Her Third Application, 3 years ago, was also refused, this time she married to a UK citizen, but the embassy said he was unable to support her properly.

Now divorced , she last week had her fourth application refused (her first with me), the main reason being that she never mentioned the 2 previous refusals on her application. And because of previous attempts they doubt her intentions to return.

I believe my situation to support her is strong, but want to know if it is worth ever trying again??

Thanks in advance.

USB

 They refused her on the 2nd occasion because they thought she intended to find a Uk husband and were vindicated when she did infact marry a Uk citizen.  They also probably suspected that she married a Uk citizen with the intention of gaining Uk citizenship.  She again added weight to their suspicions by later (not much later) divorcing the guy.  Add to this the fact that she lied about previous refusals, and i would say she has a big O chance of getting a visa in the forseeable future.  Even peole who have been dishonest about previous refusals stand little chance of a visa - unless they can prove a new longterm relationship/marriage - which is genuine.  Hard to prove given past record.  

I would give it a few years at least

[scotty123456789]

Thanks moss,

Just read that thread and yes, honest we shall be.

If asked we shall say the bar, after all it was over a year ago.

Like i said if we are honest then she cant be caught out with a lye.

Im confident with our application, we have everything and im confident there wont be an interview, but if there is the truth we shall tell .

[mr_hippo]

Sometimes, I query the wisdom of giving out too much information on thaivisa. What would happen if someone in the British Embassy read this forum? He/she would pick up an application and starts to read it - "Her first application 5 years ago was successful; her second application to do the same was refused; her third application, 3 years ago, was also refused, this time she married to a UK citizen...... this sounds familiar, where have I seen it before?" Suddenly. he/she remembers - it was on thaivisa and cross-checks the application with the thread! It could happen.

[carnival1200]

Sometimes, I query the wisdom of giving out too much information on thaivisa. What would happen if someone in the British Embassy read this forum? He/she would pick up an application and starts to read it - "Her first application 5 years ago was successful; her second application to do the same was refused; her third application, 3 years ago, was also refused, this time she married to a UK citizen...... this sounds familiar, where have I seen it before?" Suddenly. he/she remembers - it was on thaivisa and cross-checks the application with the thread! It could happen.

Surely the officers at the embassy arent so sad as to spend there time trawling through the Thaivisa forum   But one never knows     However, i think because of the case history

in telling porkies, the interviewing officer would be extra tricky and would pro

ably be accompanied 

by a Thai (for translation or not) - usually a woman - who would be expert on spotting a Bar girl.

Game over  

[usb]

Mr Hippo, if were being honest shirley there shouldnt be anything here (at least in this thread) which would prejudice an application?

Her house is a very small property up north and inherited. and I have known her since April 2006.

Carnival, although my girl isnt a bargirl, I didn't think being one would prejudice her claim?

Thanks to all for taking an interest, all comments are appreciated.

[Mahout Angrit]

Carnival, although my girl isnt a bargirl, I didn't think being one would prejudice her claim?

It depends on the visa being applied for. Being a bargirl on a visit visa to UK, especially that she's tried so many times and different ways to get there, if she didn't have a real compelling reason to return would give the suspicion that she may well continue her profession while in UK and then finding it being so lucrative may not leave.

Although your g/f is a masseuse, I admire your naivity, Beauty salons in Thailand are notorious for providing 'other services' and who's to know (but the embassy may well know) her employer may well have a history of such activity and providing "references" for girls to return to work. I suspect your g/f doesn't actually receive a salary from the owner but more likely works for cash from the premises and pays a percentage to the owner... hardly employment.

I'm sorry for being so direct but again I suggest if you want to prove that is not so then get across to Thailand, cement the relationship, keep the proof and apply again in a year or two.

[carnival1200]

Mr Hippo, if were being honest shirley there shouldnt be anything here (at least in this thread) which would prejudice an application?

Her house is a very small property up north and inherited. and I have known her since April 2006.

Carnival, although my girl isnt a bargirl, I didn't think being one would prejudice her claim?

Thanks to all for taking an interest, all comments are appreciated.

I think when a girl is interviewd by, or in the presence of a Thai interpretur (usualy a middle classThai woman) it may well predujudice a claim.  But thats accamdemic considering your girlfriend isnt a bargirl.  But again rule number 1 is not to be caught lying - even little white ones.  As they take the line that if you tell one lie, however small, then they cant believe anything else - unless your a politician that is

Best of luck anyway

[the scouser]

usb,

The difficulty that your g/f will face is that in the eyes of the embassy her credibility is now shot to bits, and it will take a lot to retrieve it. That she previously lied on her application basically allows the visa officer to believe that no substance can be attached to anything she now says. Additionally, it is not going to be straightforward demonstrating her intention to leave the UK at the end of her visit when there is a history of family migration to the UK, and her boyfriend also lives there.

That said, there's no reason why she can't try for another visit visa: it's just that it will need to be thoroughly prepared.

Scouse.

[the gent]

If any application needed professional care it must be this one.

Out of passing interest I have perused Visano1's web site as per the link provided by another poster. The 600GBP fee for a settlement application struck me as somewhat ambitious for a company that is based in Thailand and appears to have been founded by someone with no apparent professional qualifications and is not registered in the UK under the auspices of the OISC. Their assertions that visa information is not freely available from the respective embassies and the implication that visas to the UK are now virtually impossible to obtain without their assistance are clearly marketing ploys and have no basis in fact. I suppose one shouldn't begrudge them the opportunity to talk up their worth but to do so in such a misleading way, exploiting unnecessarily people's anxieties, suggests to me a lack of true professionalism. The claim that they have established a " rappore " (sic) with the British embassy in Bangkok, further implying applications submitted through their good offices will be viewed more favourably as a consequence, is quite ludicrous to anyone with any nous but I suppose the market they are aiming at, blue collar, poorly educated and somewhat unworldly, may well fall for such tosh.

As ever, caveat emptor.

[scotty123456789]

Could not agree more gent.

It was me who posted about visano1.

I filled out a form on there site a couple of months ago and quickly got a call back.

They were realy pushy, when you send the money? how will you be paying etc etc

I thought woh hang on a minute, i dont know even if i want to use your service.

I was promised the visa be granted 101% there success rate is 101% they said, and know need for an interview.

Utter lyes i think.

During our conversation money was mentioned around ten times, how and when are you paying?

Pay only 50% now they said.

After advise and info on this forum, and if you follow other peoples experience there is no need for an agent.

Cheers...

[Irish]

Scotty - Sorry if you said it already and I skimmed over it but what were the actual reasons for her refusal. My g/f's first app refusal was "failure to show evidence of existing relationship."

Have you thought about going to a solicitor and swearing an affidavit that you will ensure she returns to Thailand?

Just a thought but just be aware if you did this you better be 100% sure she does not go AWOL or you will be up to your neck in excrement.

[Mahout Angrit]

Scotty - Sorry if you said it already and I skimmed over it but what were the actual reasons for her refusal. My g/f's first app refusal was "failure to show evidence of existing relationship."

Have you thought about going to a solicitor and swearing an affidavit that you will ensure she returns to Thailand?

Irish

I think you have misread the thread. Scotty hasn't had a refusal it's his first application however in relation to your recommendation you may be interested to see that in the UK Visa sponsors guide it says

Can I give a guarantee?

You may want to give a guarantee that the person whom you are sponsoring will abide by the conditions of his or her stay in the UK and will leave at the end of a specified period. However, such guarantees are not enforceable in UK law and cannot be accepted. This is not a reflection on your integrity as a sponsor, but under the Immigration Rules, it is the visitor who must satisfy the entry clearance officer that he or she qualifies for entry.