clip in back boxes

[Joinaman]

hi there

do they do plastic clip in back boxes for plasterboard/gyproc walls ?

am rewiring and re boarding a timber frame house and would save me fitting a lot of timber noggins/studs 

 

[sometimewoodworker]

Since plasterboard walls and timber frames are as rare as hens teeth here due to the fact that they will both be eaten by termites. The likelihood of you finding clip in boxes is low. They almost certainly can be found, but it’s not going to be easy because nobody uses them.

 

 

[Joinaman]

3 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Since plasterboard walls and timber frames are as rare as hens teeth here due to the fact that they will both be eaten by termites. The likelihood of you finding clip in boxes is low. They almost certainly can be found, but it’s not going to be easy because nobody uses them.

 

 

not sure where you live, but there are thousands of timber houses in Thailand, mostly made out of hardwood, so less problems with termites, although they do get them

but to fit sockets and switches without using clip in back boxes means lots of noggins and timbers, but it seem that's got to be the way

these boxes are pretty standard for stud walls in the UK, can even buy the UK boxes on Lazada, but they don't fir Thai sockets unfortunately

But thanks anyway 

[sometimewoodworker]

7 hours ago, Joinaman said:

but there are thousands of timber houses in Thailand, mostly made out of hardwood, so less problems with termites, although they do get them

Old houses yes of course, many. New build very few. New or old build with plaster board walls, none that I have seen.

 

7 hours ago, Joinaman said:

these boxes are pretty standard for stud walls in the UK,

Few builders or people getting building done here who try to use practices just “because they are standard in the (U.K. U.S.A. Australia etc)” find it in any way easy to get the materials or workers able to use them. If a material were in demand it would become available. Take AAC blocks, they are widely available now, 20 years ago they were seldom seen.

 

The building practices of the U.K. U.S.A. Australia etc require the conditions usual in those countries along with the workforce trained in using the materials that are standard in those countries. The U.S.A. & Australia are majority temperate climate countries so building methods are mostly developed for temperate climates, Thailand is tropical so the methods and materials are for tropical building, stud walls with plasterboard are not the best way for the climate. All the noggins and timbers are expensive because wood as a building material is very expensive here.

 

 

Edited April 9, 2023 by sometimewoodworker

[Joinaman]

13 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Old houses yes of course, many. New build very few. New or old build with plaster board walls, none that I have seen.

 

Few builders or people getting building done here who try to use practices just “because they are standard in the (U.K. U.S.A. Australia etc)” find it in any way easy to get the materials or workers able to use them. If a material were in demand it would become available. Take AAC blocks, they are widely available now, 20 years ago they were seldom seen.

 

The building practices of the U.K. U.S.A. Australia etc require the conditions usual in those countries along with the workforce trained in using the materials that are standard in those countries. The U.S.A. & Australia are majority temperate climate countries so building methods are mostly developed for temperate climates, Thailand is tropical so the methods and materials are for tropical building, stud walls with plasterboard are not the best way for the climate. All the noggins and timbers are expensive because wood as a building material is very expensive here.

 

 

i agree wood is very expensive here , which is why when building new internal walls, metal stud with gypsum boards is a quick and reliable way to divide rooms 

see it used more and more on commercial buildings, but they do have limited sizes and fittings

s how do you make an old timber house more habitual if not lined internal ?

if not gypsum board what other boards to be used ? brittle cement boards, plywood ?

but it seems the Thais prefer to run all their electrics on the surface rather than internal,  Im in a concrete house at the moment, recessed sockets, but surface wiring 

[sometimewoodworker]

21 minutes ago, Joinaman said:

which is why when building new internal walls, metal stud with gypsum boards is a quick and reliable way to divide rooms 

This is a standard way in the U.K. I have never seen it used here and the materials used are not readily available.

21 minutes ago, Joinaman said:

how do you make an old timber house more habitual if not lined internal

I would not and the majority of people as far as I know would not

 

The old wood houses are not in anyway airtight, often not watertight either. As such rather that putting lipstick on a pig there is not much to do without rather extensive modifications and considerable expense, the modifications may be equivalent to rebuilding anyway.
 

The best choice may well be to rebuild.

21 minutes ago, Joinaman said:

Thais prefer to run all their electrics on the surface rather than internal,  Im in a concrete house at the moment, recessed sockets, but surface wiring 

Surface wiring is not pretty but is does allow a higher current than in wall wiring, it is also less easy to damage the wiring accidentally.

Edited April 10, 2023 by sometimewoodworker