Intelligence report says US split on Covid-19 origins

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US intelligence agencies have found no direct evidence that Covid-19 broke out from a Chinese laboratory, a declassified report has said.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) said both a natural and laboratory origin remain plausible scenarios.

It noted most US intelligence agencies agree the virus was not genetically engineered or "laboratory-adapted".

The origins of the pandemic have been a matter of bitter debate in the US.

The lab-leak theory has been strongly rejected by China.

The ODNI report was released on Friday night after Congress passed a bill in March giving US intelligence 90 days to declassify what it knew about the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

 

"The Central Intelligence Agency and another agency remain unable to determine the precise origin of the Covid-19 pandemic, as both (natural and lab) hypotheses rely on significant assumptions or face challenges with conflicting reporting," said the 10-page report.

 

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[onthedarkside]

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[sungod]

So it could have been a lab leak or strange sh*t they eat and sell at markets......  One thing is for sure, China........

[stoner]

from the report

 

*An inspection of the WIV’s high-containment laboratories in 2020—only months after the beginning of the COVID-19 outbreak’s emergence— identified a need to update aging equipment, a need for additional disinfectant equipment, and improvements to ventilation systems. As this inspection occurred in the midst of the WIV’s crisis response to the COVID-19 outbreak, these findings are not necessarily indicative of WIV’s biosafety status prior to the outbreak.*

 

come on. so the lab got sloppy all of a sudden ? ....or they always were. 

 

how could finding outdated equipment etc not be indicative of the biosafety leading up to that ? makes no sense.  

 

also no mention of the sickness that befell numerous soldiers during the military world games (october 2019) that were held in wuhan china just prior to the official outbreak.   

 

*we are unable to confirm if any of them handled live viruses in the work they performed prior to falling ill.*

 

this is an extremely important piece of info that really needs answering. as just prior to that they state that some of. but it doesn't state all. so some may have been and there is no answer to that. 

[BritTim]

1 hour ago, stoner said:

from the report

 

*An inspection of the WIV’s high-containment laboratories in 2020—only months after the beginning of the COVID-19 outbreak’s emergence— identified a need to update aging equipment, a need for additional disinfectant equipment, and improvements to ventilation systems. As this inspection occurred in the midst of the WIV’s crisis response to the COVID-19 outbreak, these findings are not necessarily indicative of WIV’s biosafety status prior to the outbreak.*

 

come on. so the lab got sloppy all of a sudden ? ....or they always were. 

 

how could finding outdated equipment etc not be indicative of the biosafety leading up to that ? makes no sense.  

 

also no mention of the sickness that befell numerous soldiers during the military world games (october 2019) that were held in wuhan china just prior to the official outbreak.   

 

*we are unable to confirm if any of them handled live viruses in the work they performed prior to falling ill.*

 

this is an extremely important piece of info that really needs answering. as just prior to that they state that some of. but it doesn't state all. so some may have been and there is no answer to that. 

Wishful thinking in the US wants it to be a Chinese lab leak. It is, indeed, conceivable that it was. However, there is a big gap between sloppy disinfection practices and an undetected leak causing a major outbreak at a live animal market. The best available evidence (some of which only came to light a few months ago) suggests that the initial source was racoon dogs in a specific area of the market. We shall probably never know for sure.

[stoner]

1 minute ago, BritTim said:

However, there is a big gap between sloppy disinfection practices and an undetected leak causing a major outbreak at a live animal market.

in the case of this certain country i am not so sure its that big a gap. one of the biggest events in human history and as you say....

 

3 minutes ago, BritTim said:

We shall probably never know for sure.

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

13 hours ago, Social Media said:

The origins of the pandemic have been a matter of bitter debate in the US.

That is not how I remember it. Isn't it factually correct to state that the official narrative was that a possible lab leak was a "conspiracy theory" so certainly not one side of a "bitter debate" as claimed in the OP?

[ba ba]

biggest cover up the us have ever seen

[ThailandRyan]

8 minutes ago, ba ba said:

biggest cover up the us have ever seen

Care to expand on your statement. Who conducted the cover-up? China, well of course they did.

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[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

That is not how I remember it. Isn't it factually correct to state that the official narrative was that a possible lab leak was a "conspiracy theory" so certainly not one side of a "bitter debate" as claimed in the OP?

I agree that the l;ab leak has always been possible and a consideration so therefore not a conspiracy theory. However, it has been the subject of "bitter debate". The current theory outside a lab leak is that it came from raccoon dogs. Many scientists believe that. I'm neutral.

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

I agree that the l;ab leak has always been possible and a consideration so therefore not a conspiracy theory. However, it has been the subject of "bitter debate". The current theory outside a lab leak is that it came from raccoon dogs. Many scientists believe that. I'm neutral.

Well I have been back to the start of the Covid threads and can not find any examples of posters outlining the arguments for the lab leak scenario, nor any debate on the matter. Maybe people were split on the issue elsewhere?

[ozimoron]

57 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Well I have been back to the start of the Covid threads and can not find any examples of posters outlining the arguments for the lab leak scenario, nor any debate on the matter. Maybe people were split on the issue elsewhere?

I wasn't referencing this forum. I didn't make that clear I know. You must be aware of the research published widely that it didn't come from a lab leak, surely?

[stevenl]

11 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

That is not how I remember it. Isn't it factually correct to state that the official narrative was that a possible lab leak was a "conspiracy theory" so certainly not one side of a "bitter debate" as claimed in the OP?

I think you're wrong. Looking forward to your sources that say the lab leak is a conspiracy theory.

[Eleftheros]

21 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

can not find any examples of posters outlining the arguments for the lab leak scenario

Several posters did write extensively discussing the possibility of a lab leak over the past 3 years. You will not find any remaining examples of those discussions.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

From the AP:

 

"Four agencies still believe the virus was transferred from animals to humans, and two agencies — the Energy Department and the FBI — believe the virus leaked from a lab. The CIA and another agency have not made an assessment."

 

Also:

 

"the report says U.S. intelligence “has no information, however, indicating that any WIV genetic engineering work has involved SARS-CoV-2, a close progenitor, or a backbone virus that is closely-related enough to have been the source of the pandemic.”

 

https://apnews.com/article/covid19-united-states-intelligence-china-23dcbde0be5638556739b564ece97027