Polling aggregates from both Real Clear Politics and natelsilver.net show Trump's net in record setting negative territory for his second term.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin

According to the MAGA way of thinking, this just proves that most Americans hate America.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Polling aggregates from both Real Clear Politics and natelsilver.net show Trump's net in record setting negative territory for his second term.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin

According to the MAGA way of thinking, this just proves that most Americans hate America.

Well the maggunauts are the (kings) of magical thinking heck what could anyone expect from a group of people who follow a guy who defrauded his own charity defrauded students in his scam university buy cartoons of the dude buy bibles from a felon and rapist……just saying……anyway perhaps the no bump reason is he did it in secret without concern of the effects on us Americans nore the rest of the world……and our constitution.

I'm sure someone---whether Bibi or Stephen Miller---told Trump Bush II's approval rating jumped to 80% when the US invaded Iraq, but.....

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Precious few Americans, even those in the intel community, felt there was any threat whatsoever from Iran. There were no mothers in Keokuk, Iowa telling little Johnny---as he went off to school---"Watch out for Iranians".

So the American people get to pay much more for gas, will see everything from home heating/cooling to airline tickets to everything shipped by trucks, boats or trains to rise, watch their 401Ks tumble, plus see interest rates rise (+40 pips since 26 February on the 10-year)....all so Trump could divert attention from Epstein and try to raise his poll numbers, or simply to feel like a big man by ordering death and destruction. Why negotiate when you can play Rambo, right?

Sorry, Trump, Epic Fail or Epstein Fury is all it is....besides further alienating former allies.

This is such an applicable meme for this situation I'll need to post it again

7 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

According to the MAGA way of thinking,

Oh Alan, you absolute forum legend. “According to the MAGA way of thinking, this just proves most Americans hate America.”, well at least they can think unlike libtards.

So, FYI, be informed, that’s not MAGA thinking — that’s you projecting harder than a 4K projector in a dark room.

MAGA thinking is actually:

• Polls from Nate Silver and Real Clear Politics (the same crew that swore Hillary had a 99% chance in 2016) are garbage when they magically show “record negative” the second Trump starts actually securing the border, fixing trade, and dropping bombs on people who chant “Death to America.”

• Real Americans don’t “hate America” — they hate the last four years of open borders, 9% inflation, and a president whose official portrait is now a framed Autopen machine. That’s why they voted Trump back in a landslide.

No “war bump”? Perfect. Trump isn’t some neocon ghoul chasing poll numbers like your boy Obama did with his Nobel Peace Prize before the drone party started. He’s ending a nuclear threat in 20 days while you’re over here in Thailand crying that gas prices might go up and 401Ks might dip. Newsflash: Americans can handle $4 gas if it means Iran isn’t building nukes on our dime.

The only people “proving they hate America” right now are the ones in this thread rooting for Trump to fail during an actual war so they can type “told you so” from their soi XX bar stools.

Stay mad, Alan. The rest of us will be over here winning while your “aggregates” age like milk.

MAGA doesn’t think America hates itself. We just know certain expats and their echo-chamber forums definitely do

According to Trump's own Director of National Intelligence (Tulsi Gabbard) when testifying before Congress, the consolidated opinion of the US Intelligence agencies was that Iran was not developing nuclear weapons and not rebuilding its uranium enrichment capabilities.

Gabbard Says Iran Did Not Rebuild Nuclear Program After 2025 Strikes, Contradicting Trump

Gabbard's testimony, which is a representation of the intelligence community’s assessment of the threats facing U.S. citizens, appeared to directly contradict one of President Donald Trump's central justifications for launching a new war against Iran on Feb 28—namely that Iran was two weeks away from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

https://time.com/article/2026/03/18/tulsi-gabbard-iran-nuclear-trump/

The world will be better off without the mullahs running Iran and Trump is sacrificing a lot to get this done. Rubio, Vance or whoever comes next, assuming it's a Republican, will benefit and so will the US. Trump is giving himself plenty of time to get it done. Image his final year with $2 a gallon gas and the boost it will give.

I see this as honorable - he's doing the right thing despite the hit he's going to get.

This is an awful mess you have gotten us into Donald ,

even the Magas are deserting you ,yagoda and riclag

might be the only fully committed MAGAS left on here,

He promised lower prices on day one ,everything was

going to be wonderful with him in charge again ,look

what happened ,the whole World hates him now...

he will have no legacy now ,only his name on buildings

which will be taken down the day after he leaves office.

regards worgeordie

2 hours ago, boganJoe said:

Oh Alan, you absolute forum legend. “According to the MAGA way of thinking, this just proves most Americans hate America.”, well at least they can think unlike libtards.

So, FYI, be informed, that’s not MAGA thinking — that’s you projecting harder than a 4K projector in a dark room.

MAGA thinking is actually:

• Polls from Nate Silver and Real Clear Politics (the same crew that swore Hillary had a 99% chance in 2016) are garbage when they magically show “record negative” the second Trump starts actually securing the border, fixing trade, and dropping bombs on people who chant “Death to America.”

• Real Americans don’t “hate America” — they hate the last four years of open borders, 9% inflation, and a president whose official portrait is now a framed Autopen machine. That’s why they voted Trump back in a landslide.

No “war bump”? Perfect. Trump isn’t some neocon ghoul chasing poll numbers like your boy Obama did with his Nobel Peace Prize before the drone party started. He’s ending a nuclear threat in 20 days while you’re over here in Thailand crying that gas prices might go up and 401Ks might dip. Newsflash: Americans can handle $4 gas if it means Iran isn’t building nukes on our dime.

The only people “proving they hate America” right now are the ones in this thread rooting for Trump to fail during an actual war so they can type “told you so” from their soi XX bar stools.

Stay mad, Alan. The rest of us will be over here winning while your “aggregates” age like milk.

MAGA doesn’t think America hates itself. We just know certain expats and their echo-chamber forums definitely do

2 hours ago, boganJoe said:

That’s why they voted Trump back in a landslide.

As usual, you've got your facts wrong. Silver actually gave Trump a 28.6% chance of winning. Not only that, he thought that because of the rust belt vote, Trump might win the Electoral College but lose the popular vote. As for Real Clear Politics, the owner of that website are extreme right wingers. Another media site they own is Western Journal:

2 hours ago, boganJoe said:

Polls from Nate Silver and Real Clear Politics (the same crew that swore Hillary had a 99% chance in 2016) are garbage when they magically show “record negative” the second Trump starts actually securing the border, fixing trade, and dropping bombs on people who chant “Death to America.”

Actually, even Rasmussen and RMG show Trump underwater.

2 hours ago, boganJoe said:

Polls from Nate Silver and Real Clear Politics (the same crew that swore Hillary had a 99% chance in 2016) are garbage when they magically show “record negative” the second Trump starts actually securing the border, fixing trade, and dropping bombs on people who chant “Death to America.”

As for Real Clear Politics.

1. The "No Toss-Up" Electoral College Map

RCP’s most famous projection tool was its "No Toss-Up" map, which assigned every state to a candidate based on who was leading in their polling average, regardless of how small the lead was.

• Final Projection: Hillary Clinton 272 vs. Donald Trump 266.

• Significance: This was one of the most competitive projections among major aggregators. While it technically favored Clinton, it showed Trump just four electoral votes shy of victory, indicating a much tighter race than the "landslide" predictions seen elsewhere.

Well, if you think 49.8% of the popular vote qualifies as a landslide, you might to consider some other elections legitimately called landslides and how they differed from 2024's.

2 hours ago, boganJoe said:

He’s ending a nuclear threat in 20 days while you’re over here in Thailand crying that gas prices might go up and 401Ks might dip. Newsflash: Americans can handle $4 gas if it means Iran isn’t building nukes on our dime.

What nuclear threat? Trump had already declared it abolished. And then to justify this latest escapade he lied by declaring the threat was imminent. If the cause is so good, why lie about it? The same people who belatedly got so indignant about Bush's lies, have no problem with Trump's.

3 hours ago, boganJoe said:

Oh Alan, you absolute forum legend. “According to the MAGA way of thinking, this just proves most Americans hate America.”, well at least they can think unlike libtards.

So, FYI, be informed, that’s not MAGA thinking — that’s you projecting harder than a 4K projector in a dark room.

MAGA thinking is actually:

• Polls from Nate Silver and Real Clear Politics (the same crew that swore Hillary had a 99% chance in 2016) are garbage when they magically show “record negative” the second Trump starts actually securing the border, fixing trade, and dropping bombs on people who chant “Death to America.”

• Real Americans don’t “hate America” — they hate the last four years of open borders, 9% inflation, and a president whose official portrait is now a framed Autopen machine. That’s why they voted Trump back in a landslide.

No “war bump”? Perfect. Trump isn’t some neocon ghoul chasing poll numbers like your boy Obama did with his Nobel Peace Prize before the drone party started. He’s ending a nuclear threat in 20 days while you’re over here in Thailand crying that gas prices might go up and 401Ks might dip. Newsflash: Americans can handle $4 gas if it means Iran isn’t building nukes on our dime.

The only people “proving they hate America” right now are the ones in this thread rooting for Trump to fail during an actual war so they can type “told you so” from their soi XX bar stools.

Stay mad, Alan. The rest of us will be over here winning while your “aggregates” age like milk.

MAGA doesn’t think America hates itself. We just know certain expats and their echo-chamber forums definitely do

Those polls are garbage?

Is that why you were triumphantly flooding the forum with results from the same polls, at the beginning of Trump's mandate, when your forum ID was Illisdean? 🤣🤣🤣

8 hours ago, boganJoe said:

Oh Alan, you absolute forum legend. “According to the MAGA way of thinking, this just proves most Americans hate America.”, well at least they can think unlike libtards.

So, FYI, be informed, that’s not MAGA thinking — that’s you projecting harder than a 4K projector in a dark room.

MAGA thinking is actually:

• Polls from Nate Silver and Real Clear Politics (the same crew that swore Hillary had a 99% chance in 2016) are garbage when they magically show “record negative” the second Trump starts actually securing the border, fixing trade, and dropping bombs on people who chant “Death to America.”

• Real Americans don’t “hate America” — they hate the last four years of open borders, 9% inflation, and a president whose official portrait is now a framed Autopen machine. That’s why they voted Trump back in a landslide.

No “war bump”? Perfect. Trump isn’t some neocon ghoul chasing poll numbers like your boy Obama did with his Nobel Peace Prize before the drone party started. He’s ending a nuclear threat in 20 days while you’re over here in Thailand crying that gas prices might go up and 401Ks might dip. Newsflash: Americans can handle $4 gas if it means Iran isn’t building nukes on our dime.

The only people “proving they hate America” right now are the ones in this thread rooting for Trump to fail during an actual war so they can type “told you so” from their soi XX bar stools.

Stay mad, Alan. The rest of us will be over here winning while your “aggregates” age like milk.

MAGA doesn’t think America hates itself. We just know certain expats and their echo-chamber forums definitely do

There wouldn't be a nuclear issue with Iran---they barely got to 60% enrichment, nowhere close to the 93% needed for a nuclear bomb---if Trump hadn't tossed the JCPOA. Iran was 100% out of there enrichment program, and they were limited, and in compliance with, to 300kg of LEU. So the sole reason they began enrichment again is because of Trump.

As for hating America, it is MAGA That hates what America should stand for, and it is MAGA And Trump who hate the US Constitution. REAL American patriots love the true ideals of free speech, a free press, freedom of belief, freedom of assembly, and freedom from unwarranted searches and seizures.

Trump is so authoritarian, as well as such a snowflake, he even wants to pull broadcast licenses of networks who do not worship him, and ban late night talk show hosts because they make jokes about him. He sends masked stormtroopers into American cities, while regular law enforcement has no problem showing their faces and wearing name tags. ICE---under instructions from Noem---even suspended the need for a warrant to search residences. THAT Is un-American and is proof Trump and MAGA hate the US Constitution, the document to which I took an oath.

Former SecDef Mattis was on a talk show in the US. He was asked "How long will it take for the US to regain trust of its top allies?"

Mattis said 10-12 years...and that is our former closest allies. He said losing trust is like a galloping horse (very quick), while regaining trust is a horse barely moving forward.

That is Trump's legacy.

21 minutes ago, Wingate said:

There wouldn't be a nuclear issue with Iran---they barely got to 60% enrichment, nowhere close to the 93% needed for a nuclear bomb---

5 minutes ago, Wingate said:

60% is NOT "barely" or "nowhere close”, weapons-grade uranium is typically 90%+ U-235 (often cited as 93% for bomb efficiency). But 60% highly enriched uranium (HEU) is a massive leap, representing over 90% of the technical work needed from natural uranium (0.7%) to bomb / weapons grade. The final jump from 60% to 90% is technically straightforward and quick requiring far less separative work units (SWU) than earlier stages.

Iran's stockpile pre-2025 strikes: IAEA's last full verification (around June 2025, before major U.S./Israeli bombings) showed ~441 kg of 60% enriched uranium — enough, if further enriched, for 9–11 nuclear weapons (per IAEA yardsticks and experts like Arms Control Center, ISIS-Online, etc.). About 25 kg of 90% U-235 is a standard "significant quantity" for one bomb core.

Breakout time reality: From that 60% stockpile, with even modest centrifuge cascades (e.g., IR-6 models Iran has), Iran could produce weapons-grade material for one bomb in days to weeks (estimates: 1–2 weeks for multiple). That's why experts call 60% a "short technical step" or "near-zero breakout" once the stockpile exists—no need for years of low-level enrichment first.

“That further enrichment would take a matter of weeks in a fully functioning Iranian nuclear complex, perhaps explaining the time line within Trump’s declaration.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/iran-was-nowhere-close-to-a-nuclear-bomb-experts-say/

https://armscontrolcenter.org/irans-stockpile-of-highly-enriched-uranium-worth-bargaining-for

https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2025-06-25/irans-nuclear-facilities-status-updates

When your at 100% its hard to get a bump. Just saying.

33 minutes ago, Wingate said:

Trump is so authoritarian, as well as such a snowflake,

"Authoritarian, snowflake”, pick one you snowflake aficionado. Is President Trump a fragile orchid wilting under Jimmy Kimmel's monologue, or a jackbooted tyrant crushing dissent? You can't have him simultaneously crying over jokes and orchestrating a fascist takeover. That's not nuance, that's glaring narrative whiplash. Try harder, you’re uninspiring and well on your way to the relegation phase.

1 hour ago, boganJoe said:

"Authoritarian, snowflake”, pick one you snowflake aficionado. Is President Trump a fragile orchid wilting under Jimmy Kimmel's monologue, or a jackbooted tyrant crushing dissent? You can't have him simultaneously crying over jokes and orchestrating a fascist takeover. That's not nuance, that's glaring narrative whiplash. Try harder, you’re uninspiring and well on your way to the relegation phase.

Trump is a snowflake in his inability to tolerate any questions about his government's performance. His stupid remarks to female journalists-

" You're so nasty'' etc.

Oh, poor Donald, can't you answer simple queries about your governance? How it hurts, you poor boy.

At the same time, the 'sensitive' bully sues any journalist, lawyer or media that doesn't swallow his nonsense, as well as encouraging his billionaire friends to buy up any media companies seen as remotely antagonistic.

An authoritarian snowflake.

The White House lashed out Friday after being called out over its misleading suggestion that the Iran war enjoyed majority support among Americans, and to such an extent that one target of the White House’s fury hit back with a particularly scathing rebuttal.

On Thursday, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt claimed that “Americans agree that Operation Epic Fury is an overwhelming success,” sharing a White House press release that included several polls showing the war’s favorability. As countless critics noted, however, the White House’s release only focused on “MAGA Republicans,” who make up less than 20% of Americans.

Among those critics was former MSNBC host Mehdi Hasan, who called Leavitt a “proud and open liar” for her misleading claim.

Trump admin ‘going nuts’ after being called out over promoting misleading claim: analysis

3 hours ago, Wingate said:

There wouldn't be a nuclear issue with Iran---they barely got to 60% enrichment, nowhere close to the 93% needed for a nuclear bomb---if Trump hadn't tossed the JCPOA. Iran was 100% out of there enrichment program, and they were limited, and in compliance with, to 300kg of LEU. So the sole reason they began enrichment again is because of Trump.

As for hating America, it is MAGA That hates what America should stand for, and it is MAGA And Trump who hate the US Constitution. REAL American patriots love the true ideals of free speech, a free press, freedom of belief, freedom of assembly, and freedom from unwarranted searches and seizures.

Trump is so authoritarian, as well as such a snowflake, he even wants to pull broadcast licenses of networks who do not worship him, and ban late night talk show hosts because they make jokes about him. He sends masked stormtroopers into American cities, while regular law enforcement has no problem showing their faces and wearing name tags. ICE---under instructions from Noem---even suspended the need for a warrant to search residences. THAT Is un-American and is proof Trump and MAGA hate the US Constitution, the document to which I took an oath.

I read North Korea is thinking of giving them some bombs. Remember when Trump One had a love affair with Kim Jong Un and said they'd get rid of their nukes? Well I guess we now know where they're going to send them.

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

When your at 100% its hard to get a bump. Just saying.

Thanks for the hypothetical. Now let's get back to reality.