Cheated Controversy Of 24th South East Asian Games

[blueeagle]

Thailand won South East Asian games overall title by big margin because their officials gift to 80th birthday of Thai King. Mostly have cheated more events. In womens boxing, the final game between Aparri of Philippines and Satunorun Sopida of the host Thailand. I'd watched both boxers Aparri have more hits than Sopida a bit and Aparri didn't scored by officials and Sopida if a one hit she got three points. In other weight division the officials did score more points of Thailand. The Asian Champ Martinez lost to Sumitra 11-21. Martinez have more hits but she haven't got a score and Sumitra didn't hit her suprising from 10 to 17points. Unlike, except for only Annie Albania of Philippines hits and win KO over Hansa Kadeewong of the host Thailand. Doing the host officials Thai boxer 3 points per hit and the Philippine boxer 0 point per hit. All Thai opponents should only KO against the host not only pts.In Taekwondo, Rivero hav many hits than Haller Cassandra but Rivero didnt score. Aparri deserved to be won by 16-14 over Sopida. Rivero deserved to won 6-4.

[engrin]

TIT = This is Thailand

[steveromagnino]

TIT = This is Thailand

TIC = THis is cr$a$p

NOt sure what boxing you guys were watching.....boxing scoring is notoriously inaccurate (ask Roy Jones Junior) I don't think the Philipinos were that hard done by.....

Anyway....please explain how a few boxing medals would have made the race in medals more fair when Thailand had vastly more and the Phillipines were miles behind.

I wonder whether the sour grapes spread to other non judged events like sailing where Thailand dominated.... I train with those guys, I know the other foreign teams....for the most part they got beat fair and square.

Pinoys calling the kettle black aye......LOL

[blueeagle]

I saw from yahoo answers to this topic. Someone users agreed that officials have cheated in this games.

Edited December 18, 2007 by blueeagle

[Crossy]

I'm not really a sport person, but surely the judges in an event are from third party countries i.e. not from the competing countries?

So how could Thai judges get their chap better scores?

Or am I missing something fundamental here?

EDIT OP joined today, most of his/her/its posts are on this subject.

Edited December 18, 2007 by Crossy

[Felt 35]

Let SEA Games be a unifying force

Cheating and paranoia continue to mar what could be an ideal means of promoting regional fellowshipPublished on December 17, 2007

The curtain has been drawn on this year's SEA Games in Nakhon Ratchasima in a typical manner: the host country is full of pride after dominating the medals table and the media in neighbouring countries are left bemoaning "cheating" or unfair tactics. The bitterness of visiting athletes may have been assuaged somewhat by a grand closing ceremony and everyone was left looking forward to meeting again, but that doesn't mean Southeast Asian countries are anywhere nearer a cure for the ingrained malaise when it comes to regional sports competitions, specifically the lack of trust and the over-emphasis on the medal count. Male boxers from the Philippines boycotted the final rounds of this year's SEA Games, saying they were doing so to protest against unfair decisions involving their female boxers. This leaves a bad taste in the mouth, not least because of the fact that the previous SEA Games in Manila were marred by what were probably even greater allegations of cheating. In fact, similar incidents and allegations have spoiled virtually every SEA Games.

It has become a nasty, inescapable circle. Visiting countries are cheated, or feel they have been cheated; then when it's their turn to host they exact revenge, or are accused of cheating. The host country is focused not on being a good host, but rather on ensuring that it takes the top spot in the medal count, otherwise it is considered a total failure and a big source of shame.

The Manila SEA Games triggered a minor diplomatic row. Then prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra lashed out fiercely in support of Thai athletes, who he said had been taken advantage of in the Games. His outburst drew a strong response from Manila, with a few media outlets mocking what they deemed his sour-grapes attitude.

It always seems that whenever the SEA Games take place, the otherwise warm neighbourly relations among member countries are put to the test. Every host tends to be labelled "the dirtiest ever", and the next one will be seen as even dirtier. As long as the misguided tendency to make up for every loss is not corrected, or as long as nobody takes the initiative to say, "Enough is enough. We will not cheat, whether the others follow suit or not", the next SEA Games will be another sad case of deja vu.

The worst thing is that the problem is not limited to governments or Games officials. Sport fans in this region have become a mass of hypocrites, whose blind loyalties and prejudices are fanned by the media in their respective countries. Every SEA Games will start with hype about the need of whichever country is hosting it to be the overall champion. Then we put every decision that favours the home country under a microscope, but when we host the event, all controversial decisions are waved off as trivial. A Thai newspaper headline about the Philippine boxing boycott is a classic SEA Games headline: "Pin Puan" (Filipinos stirring things up) A columnist in another Thai newspaper hailed every gold Thai medal as "unquestionably clean".

This mentality is common in sports, but is way too prevalent for comfort where the SEA Games is concerned. It has spawned mistrust, soured friendships and overshadowed the genuine achievements of some truly great regional sportsmen.

The saddest thing is that this trend feeds on itself and come the next Games, the new host will find extra motivation to place first in the medal count, or at least overtake its nearest rival - at any cost. Visiting athletes, on the other hand, will be paranoid if they assume that they will not only face competition, but also fall prey to unfair tactics of the host nation.

Can Asean break away from this vicious sporting cycle? What does it take to foster constructive competition among neighbours who are so friendly in most other ways? Why is it easier to build trust when it comes to complex tariff issues than when, say, Thailand as a host introduces a new type of sepak takraw ball at its SEA Games? Why is it that every introduction of a new sport is automatically deemed a cheap trick on the part of the host country to win more medals?

Asean has been celebrating its relations, its Charter and so forth. Perhaps it's time to look at something closer to its people. Maybe it's time Asean officials sit down together and find a way to make the SEA Games what it's supposed to be - a venue for sportsmanship, trust and unity.

RP boxing forfeiture may curb SEA Games cheating – official

12/14/2007 | 05:49 PM

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The decision of Filipino boxers to forfeit their gold medal matches the 24th Southeast Asian Games (SEA) Games might just be what's needed to curb cheating in the sport, according to Philippine chief of mission Monico Puentevella. He added that team officials would meet so that they could agree on an "official stand to express the contingent's displeasure over the bum calls."

"We came here to compete not only for the gold but compete in the spirit of fair play," Puentevella said in report issued by the RP delegation on Friday. "We have to put a stop to it. This is going to destroy boxing in the SEA Games."

Flyweight Annie Albania would probably not have retained her title, which she won in the last SEA Games, if she had not knocked out Hansa Kadeewong on Wednesday.

The five other female boxers who fought that day only managed to get silver medals, allegedly due to hometown decisions.

In the men's finals, featuring seven Filipino-Thai showdowns, there was neither a walkout nor a protest from the Philippine camp. And then the grand plan, hatched overnight, began to unfold: Filipino boxers were to retire one by one as they entered the ring of the Tumbon Mueanpug Gym in Nakhon Ratchasima.

They would touching gloves with their rivals first, take off their gear, and no longer fight inside the packed Tumbon Mueanpug Gym.

Flyweight Godfrey Castro started it. As the bell rang, he raised his arms. By the time the second fighter – bantamweight Junel Cantancio – had done the same thing, Taiwanese Ching-Kuo Wu, president of the Association Internationale de Boxe Amateur (AIBA, of the International Amateur Boxing Association), was already rising from his VIP seat to meet with the RP officials and prevent a possible ring fiasco.

Under the veiled threat of sanctions that could endanger the country's Beijing Olympics prospects and light flyweight Harry Tañamor, the first Olympic qualifier, Puentevella and his group relented and allowed the rest of the RP charges to compete.

"Mr. Wu assured us that we would not be sanctioned if the boys resumed fighting," Puentevella said. "We might also be in trouble with the world amateur boxing body. But we were able to deliver our message loud and clear. Hindi na dapat masaktan ang mga bata natin dito na alam naman nating matatalo rin naman."

Manny Lopez, president of the Amateur Boxing Association of the Philippines, had refrained from saying anything even while his female boxers were taking a beating in officiating. But on Friday he broke his silence and issued a statement.

"We do not want our boxers to be maltreated," Lopez said. "At the same time, we do not want our country to be dishonored. This is why our boys lost their spirit to fight and courage after they witnessed what happened to the women's squad."

Even sports psychologist Erick Sta. Maria, who has been mentally prepping the entire boxing squad, agreed with the decision.

"We were able to deliver three messages with our stand," Sta. Maria said. "First, by giving away the boxing gold to the Thais, they will never know how good they are. We planted a seed of doubt in their mind. Second, we were able to protect our boxers from further harm in what was a lost cause and, finally, we were able to send a message to the Thais way up to their revered monarch (King Bhumibol Adulyadej) that something was amiss in boxing."

The sacrifice of the RP pugs was costly, especially in the wake of the country's scrambling bid to look for more golds with two days to go in the SEA Games.

The Filipinos wallowed in fifth place overall late Thursday and was still in the same position Friday afternoon.

And from their sterling output of eight gold, four silver, and two bronze medals in the 23rd SEA Games two years ago, the Pinoy pugs wound up with a 1-12-2 tally in the 24th SEA Games. - GMANews.TV

TISEA = This is South East Asia

[Jimjim]

Yes I would think judges have to be from a 3rd country like in international football but don't know if that is the case.

[macan]

Since SEA games started in 1977 home advantage has enabled the host country to win in 9 out of 16 games (56%); only once (Brunei '99) in the last 7 games have the hosts not won.

Indonesia have won 9 times; 6 of those wins (67%) away from home.

Thailand have won 4 times; one time away from home (Brunei '99).

Malysia, Vietnam and Phillipines have won once each, all at home.

[Smithson]

The sacrifice of the RP pugs was costly, especially in the wake of the country's scrambling bid to look for more golds with two days to go in the SEA Games.

The Filipinos wallowed in fifth place overall late Thursday and was still in the same position Friday afternoon.

And from their sterling output of eight gold, four silver, and two bronze medals in the 23rd SEA Games two years ago, the Pinoy pugs wound up with a 1-12-2 tally in the 24th SEA Games. - GMANews.TV

TISEA = This is South East Asia

This article itself is part of the problem, it says RP took a principled position and paid a fair price, comparing this games medal tally with the last games. What it doesn't mention is that the last games were held in RP and there was just as much controversy there.

Losing is an important part of sport and life, get used to it!

[kash]

I'm not really a sport person, but surely the judges in an event are from third party countries i.e. not from the competing countries?

So how could Thai judges get their chap better scores?

Or am I missing something fundamental here?

EDIT OP joined today, most of his/her/its posts are on this subject.

most of them are thai, I know two (downhill and badminton)

[blueeagle]

anyway Danai Udomchoke is not good player! btw, Danai blowed by older 32 year old legend Cecil Mamiit 6-3 6-0 in singles finals!

Danai is still fresh, Cecil is older

But Cecil still crushed of Danai's game in finals game. Cecil is 2 straight SEA Games singles gold medal!

If Cecil's equal age to Danai's age. Cecil is better level than Danai so far!