george Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Thai Airways increases Fuel Surcharges; to Suspend Bangkok-New York Flights BANGKOK: -- Thai Airways International is adjusting its fuel surcharge on international and domestic flights, effective 25 June 2008, due to the massive increases in the price of jet fuel. The company has adjusted its fuel surcharge for international and domestic flights, calculated on all classes of passenger travel on THAI flights and air tickets issued by THAI’s sales and ticketing offices worldwide, which is based on the policy agreed upon by the Civil Aviation Department for commercial airlines and includes agreements with other countries, as follows: Impose the fuel surcharge rate of US$ 60 per sector, on the return routes: Bangkok-Ho Chi Minh City, Bangkok-Hanoi, Bangkok-Vientiane, Bangkok-Phnom Penh, Bangkok-Penang, Bangkok-Yangon, Hong Kong-Taipei, Dubai-Kuwait, Chiang Mai-Kunming, and the route between Bodhgaya-Varanasi. US$ 75 per sector, on the return routes Bangkok-Singapore and Bangkok-Kuala Lumpur. US$ 90 per sector, on the return routes: Bangkok-Kunming, Bangkok-Guangzhou, Bangkok-Dhaka, Bangkok-Kolkata, Bangkok-Brunei, Bangkok-Hong Kong, Bangkok-Chittagong, including the route between Taipei-Seoul. US$ 105 per sector, on the return routes: Bangkok-Bangalore, Bangkok-Hyderabad, Bangkok-Chennai, Bangkok-Bodhgaya, Bangkok-Varanasi, Bangkok-Jakarta, Bangkok-Manila, Bangkok-Chengdu, Bangkok-Colombo, Bangkok-Kathmandu, Bangkok-Xiamen, Bangkok-Hyderabad, Bangkok-Taipei, Manila-Osaka and Hong Kong-Seoul. US$ 146 per sector, on the return routes: Bangkok-Perth, Bangkok-Denpasar, Bangkok-Muscat, Bangkok-Islamabad, Bangkok-Delhi, Bangkok-Mumbai, Bangkok-Kuwait, Bangkok-Dubai, Bangkok-Karachi, Bangkok-Lahore, Bangkok-Beijing, Bangkok-Shanghai, Perth-Phuket and Chennai-Dubai. US$ 152 per sector, on the return routes: Bangkok-Tokyo, Bangkok-Osaka, Bangkok-Nagoya, Bangkok-Fukuoka, Bangkok-Seoul, and Bangkok-Busan. US$ 185 per sector, on the return routes: Bangkok-Melbourne, Bangkok-Sydney, and Bangkok-Brisbane. US$ 210 per sector, on the return routes: Bangkok-Auckland, Bangkok-Munich, Bangkok-Milan, Bangkok-Rome, Bangkok-Athens, Bangkok-Copenhagen, Bangkok-Stockholm, Bangkok-Zurich, Bangkok-Moscow, Bangkok-Johannesburg and Bangkok-Frankfurt. US$ 230 per sector, on the return routes: Bangkok-London, Bangkok-Paris and Bangkok-Madrid. US$ 281 per sector, on the return route Bangkok-New York and Bangkok-Los Angeles. The airline will suspend its flights on the return route Bangkok-New York, effective 1 July 2008. As for domestic flights on all sectors, Thai Airways will collect a fuel surcharge rate of THB 850 per sector, excluding the route Chiang Mai-Mae Hong Son whereby THB 600 will be collected per sector. --Asia Travel Tips 2008-06-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnb Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Hi Anybody know what happens when youve got an open return ticket - will they charge you at the airport or is the surcharge on 'new' tickets Thanks JohnB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artamus Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 HiAnybody know what happens when youve got an open return ticket - will they charge you at the airport or is the surcharge on 'new' tickets Thanks JohnB Never heard of that happeneing and never experienced it myself. Once you have paid and have your ticket it is valid for the duration of the terms that it applies to. Usuallythat's a year on a standard open ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rennie45 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 HiAnybody know what happens when youve got an open return ticket - will they charge you at the airport or is the surcharge on 'new' tickets Thanks JohnB I shouldn't think so. You have already paid for it and the ticket has been issued. I might be wrong though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnb Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Thanks Guys Johnb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Thai Airways increases Fuel Surcharges; to Suspend Bangkok-New York Flights This will sure help tourism and all related facets of the domestic economy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmMarchHare Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Thai Airways increases Fuel Surcharges; to Suspend Bangkok-New York Flights This will sure help tourism and all related facets of the domestic economy! I, for one, loved the New York to Bangkok flight. I've gone the cheap route, and it takes some endurance. In fact, since I live in Ohio, most people of western origin I know prefer that route if they can afford it. Oh, well, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prakanong Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 The days of cheap flight from Europe, America to Thailand may well be over and not just on TG. It was very cheap though with prices as low as 350 GBP to be had and an average of around 500 GBP It was more expensive than that in the ealy 80's I think - anyone? The extra 100 SGD will not be much of a bother for us down here though - plenty of choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FELTBOBBY Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 HiAnybody know what happens when youve got an open return ticket - will they charge you at the airport or is the surcharge on 'new' tickets Thanks JohnB When I recently returned (May 18th) from London Heathrow on a 6 months open ticket, Eva Air requested £40 from me for additional fuel charges. When i challenged the extra charge they suddenly dropped their request. I spoke to other passengers on the aircraft who were returning within 4 weeks of the original booking and it appeared that none had been requested to pay any additional fuel costs. Like myself you should be ok but stand your ground if/when requested. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashirelad Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 The days of cheap flight from Europe, America to Thailand may well be over and not just on TG.It was very cheap though with prices as low as 350 GBP to be had and an average of around 500 GBP Too right those days are over, very little under £500 now. In may 2005 i paid £300 inc. all taxes! (Forgotten which airline) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundworker Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Bangkok-London-Bangkok: Charges 230USD EXTRA for aviation fuel increases... Hmmmm... Say 400 Passengers on a 747-400 on average: 400x230USD = 92,000 USD. The distance Bangkok to London and back to Bangkok is approx. 12,000 Miles. So thats an exta of 7.67 USD per Mile! Does anybody have an idea of how much fuel a 747-400 needs per Mile? And how much is a liter of aviation fuel. Just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnb Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 HiAnybody know what happens when youve got an open return ticket - will they charge you at the airport or is the surcharge on 'new' tickets Thanks JohnB When I recently returned (May 18th) from London Heathrow on a 6 months open ticket, Eva Air requested £40 from me for additional fuel charges. When i challenged the extra charge they suddenly dropped their request. I spoke to other passengers on the aircraft who were returning within 4 weeks of the original booking and it appeared that none had been requested to pay any additional fuel costs. Like myself you should be ok but stand your ground if/when requested. Richard Thats interesting - thanks Richard Johnb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnb Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Bangkok-London-Bangkok: Charges 230USD EXTRA for aviation fuel increases... Hmmmm... Say 400 Passengers on a 747-400 on average: 400x230USD = 92,000 USD. The distance Bangkok to London and back to Bangkok is approx. 12,000 Miles. So thats an exta of 7.67 USD per Mile! Does anybody have an idea of how much fuel a 747-400 needs per Mile? And how much is a liter of aviation fuel. Just wondering If I'm reading it correctly its $230 per sector i.e. $460 for the round trip Johnb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrecker Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Yes normally you pay the surcharge at the airport or when you confirm your ticket. It is has nothing to do with already having a ticket, it is a SURCHARGE so it is collected up and above the ticket price you already paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrecker Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Bangkok-London-Bangkok: Charges 230USD EXTRA for aviation fuel increases... Hmmmm... Say 400 Passengers on a 747-400 on average: 400x230USD = 92,000 USD. The distance Bangkok to London and back to Bangkok is approx. 12,000 Miles. So thats an exta of 7.67 USD per Mile! Does anybody have an idea of how much fuel a 747-400 needs per Mile? And how much is a liter of aviation fuel. Just wondering It sounds like a pretty hefty surcharge which will price Thai airways out of the market. But that is fine. As long as governments are allowed to fool around with (partially) private companies like they do with the PTT. According Airbus their new A 380 consumes 3 liter per 70 mile per passenger. It seems that an Boeing 747 is doing 30% more per mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEENTHEREDONETHAT Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Bangkok-London-Bangkok: Charges 230USD EXTRA for aviation fuel increases... Hmmmm... Say 400 Passengers on a 747-400 on average: 400x230USD = 92,000 USD. The distance Bangkok to London and back to Bangkok is approx. 12,000 Miles. So thats an exta of 7.67 USD per Mile! Does anybody have an idea of how much fuel a 747-400 needs per Mile? And how much is a liter of aviation fuel. Just wondering If I'm reading it correctly its $230 per sector i.e. $460 for the round trip Johnb 747-400 Fuel consumption approx .040 Kgm per passenger Km that is 262 seats. It varys slightly with distance, further is like .045 kgm Should be able to work it out from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 TG mismanagement - will do them in. Great route and stupid decision. Just paid $1200 for Oct/Nov, 1stop with UAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer9020 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 is that additional to the existing fuel surcharge? or its the new surcharge?if , its additonal, then what can I say? holy coww!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 is that additional to the existing fuel surcharge? or its the new surcharge?if , its additonal, then what can I say? holy coww!! In addition it looks like - bunch of muppets running TG, other airlines will just have their business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer9020 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 is that additional to the existing fuel surcharge? or its the new surcharge?if , its additonal, then what can I say? holy coww!! In addition it looks like - bunch of muppets running TG, other airlines will just have their business. i also dnt understand why TG is apparantly losing, when compare to other airlines, their seat occupancies are almost 80 to 90% full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farang2002 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Thai Airways increases Fuel Surcharges; to Suspend Bangkok-New York Flights This will sure help tourism and all related facets of the domestic economy! Thai should stop using aircraft which are not fuel efficient (A345 & A346) and use more fuel efficient like the boeing 777LR. These surcharges amount to a 60-70% increase in ticket prices and not many farang will be able to cope with that. I usually make 4-5 trips a year from California to BKK, but now i can see maybe 2. Good luck Thai economy! Maybe some of the girls at Nana will have to revisit their rice planting skills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 If I'm reading it correctly its $230 per sector i.e. $460 for the round trip Johnb I wondered about that too...whether they meant that surcharge price applying to each way or the entire roundtrip flight.... They used the term "per sector," which I don't recognize in American-speak. But if they meant the same as "per segment", that would mean that surcharge amount for each one-way segment. What the hel_l is "per sector"???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entergraph Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 The days of cheap flight from Europe, America to Thailand may well be over and not just on TG.It was very cheap though with prices as low as 350 GBP to be had and an average of around 500 GBP It was more expensive than that in the ealy 80's I think - anyone? The extra 100 SGD will not be much of a bother for us down here though - plenty of choice Do not worry, as soon as TG increase will take place, all other airlines will do the same. This already happened with EVA and JAL and all smaller private airlines followed immediately. Nobody want to lose money. I bet Bangkok Airways will be next. It is strange that Air Asia holding their move, they must run pretty good profit margin to be able to hold on surcharge increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEENTHEREDONETHAT Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 based on $4.00 per gal (1.06 ltr) fuel cost and a distance of 8263miles (13,298km) and using .040Kgm of fuel per passenger Km in a 747-400 with 262seats the fuel cost per person will be roughly $530 or $139,122 for the 262 passengers. So to mean anything you have to know how many$ were plugged into the original ticket for fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabaijai Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I booked a BKK-LAX-BKK flight on TG through my travel agent a few weeks ago. I paid for the ticket then but it hasn't been issued yet. After reading this news I talked to the agent, who says that it's not true you have to pay the surcharges if the ticket isn't issued before the 25th, only if it isn't booked before the 25th. My agent has never been wrong in the past on issues like these, but I'm a tad concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safetybob Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 HiAnybody know what happens when youve got an open return ticket - will they charge you at the airport or is the surcharge on 'new' tickets Thanks JohnB When I recently returned (May 18th) from London Heathrow on a 6 months open ticket, Eva Air requested £40 from me for additional fuel charges. When i challenged the extra charge they suddenly dropped their request. I spoke to other passengers on the aircraft who were returning within 4 weeks of the original booking and it appeared that none had been requested to pay any additional fuel costs. Like myself you should be ok but stand your ground if/when requested. Richard Thats interesting - thanks Richard Johnb anyone know what thai ais is doing for nyc to bkk ticket holders after 7/1/08? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prakanong Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Bangkok-London-Bangkok: Charges 230USD EXTRA for aviation fuel increases... Hmmmm... Say 400 Passengers on a 747-400 on average: 400x230USD = 92,000 USD. The distance Bangkok to London and back to Bangkok is approx. 12,000 Miles. So thats an exta of 7.67 USD per Mile! Does anybody have an idea of how much fuel a 747-400 needs per Mile? And how much is a liter of aviation fuel. Just wondering It sounds like a pretty hefty surcharge which will price Thai airways out of the market. But that is fine. As long as governments are allowed to fool around with (partially) private companies like they do with the PTT. According Airbus their new A 380 consumes 3 liter per 70 mile per passenger. It seems that an Boeing 747 is doing 30% more per mile. I will be out with an Airbus A380 Engineer tomorrow night who they have put in Singapore to hold the SIA hands and will have a chat with him about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prakanong Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 is that additional to the existing fuel surcharge? or its the new surcharge?if , its additonal, then what can I say? holy coww!! In addition it looks like - bunch of muppets running TG, other airlines will just have their business. i also dnt understand why TG is apparantly losing, when compare to other airlines, their seat occupancies are almost 80 to 90% full. Do not the Directors and all distant memebers of the family get free first class everywhere. I remember reading about the unlimited Amex spends of the Directors too - then there will be the normal corruption Sing Air are making circa a billion dollar profit in comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Anyone with an A380 is really looking quite dumb now. Guess 787 will win this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEENTHEREDONETHAT Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I think you will see shorter flights, more stops . They require carrying less fuel and make the plane much lighter. Hence lower fuel consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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