Resell Internet

[msto1004]

Hello,

can i resell the internet service over wireless from my ISP,

or do i need a permission from this ISP (for example TT&T, ToT, or CAT)?

where can i buy or acquire this permission?

thank you !

[Guest Reimar]

Hello,

can i resell the internet service over wireless from my ISP,

or do i need a permission from this ISP (for example TT&T, ToT, or CAT)?

where can i buy or acquire this permission?

thank you !

AFAIK you need to register a company as ISP and that have to be done via NTC (National Telecommunication Comission of Thailand)!

Cheers.

[monty]

AFAIK you need to register a company as ISP and that have to be done via NTC (National Telecommunication Commission of Thailand)!

Cheers.

You might want to ask CAT.

In Pattaya there are at least two relative large scale companies (supernet and Banglamung TV internet) who supply internet through their television cabling network.

I very much doubt they have an ISP license, they definitely do not have a public IP address pool so all their customers are handed out private IP addresses (useles as you are completely hidden on the internet, so no P2P or incoming connections such as for example remote desktop software, webcam remote viewing etc...)

They both use CAT as their main access supplier, and all the promotional paperwork states "guaranteed by CAT"

On a small scale you will not need an ISP license (example internet cafe's are also reselling access) but you will need a proper (read more expensive) package from your ISP which allows the re-selling.

Ji-net for example have their JET-Cafe and Safe-Cafe packages for this purpose.

[niller74]

You need a business package from your ISP. A private contract clearly state that reselling or even giving your signal to anyone outside your home is a violation to the contract.

What is required by Thai law I don't know though.

[Guest Reimar]

I would be very carefully!

Two years ago as I had the "fight" with CS-Loxinfo there was excactly that question came up: Did we resell the Internet Services to our customers or not?!

In meetings with the people from NTC was clearly stated that in the same moment as someone resells Internet Services, which means get some income from the service they use via our Internet connection and system, we would need an ISP License. There wasn't any minimum limitations in question.

If I'm you, I would contact NTC to get more and real infos. Please go to the website of NTC: http://eng.ntc.or.th/

Maybe you calling to their office and ask for to talk with Khun Saksith Sasibutra who speaks english well and know about the regulations.

Cheers.

[NHJ]

does this apply to cyber coffe or restaurant offering wifi to the customers?

by offering i mean free or for money.

Edited August 31, 2008 by NHJ

[harrry]

This may be a bit of a risk with the new laws. Maybe you would become liable for keeping the records of all the people using it and their use. And itis possible that you may be held responsible for their actions.

[niller74]

I am fairly sure hotels, internet cafes, condos etc. aren't registered as ISPs. This does not however mean that they shouldn't be, but rather that the law sometimes isn't followed.

[Prasert]

... they definitely do not have a public IP address pool so all their customers are handed out private IP addresses (useles as you are completely hidden on the internet, so no P2P or incoming connections such as for example remote desktop software, webcam remote viewing etc...)

nor do the computers in internet cafes, hotels nor the majority of computers at home.

Still it's not useless as all applications are working.

Registering as an ISP does not entitle one to getting a range of public IP addresses.

Small ranges are always to be handed out by the one who supplies internet to you, larger ranges can be requested at APNIC.

And in both cases there's always a fee - on a small scale it's quite expensive!

@msto1004:

If you're really thinking about reselling internet, talk to your ISP. Contracts can be changed to accommodate your requirements.

The technical part however can turn out to be a lot more difficult than any required paperwork or licenses!

[monty]

Still it's not useless as all applications are working.

Sorry, badly phrased! Useless for people needing to access their home network from the internet, for whatever application...

Indeed for most regular users perfectly adequate (hey, I even am a subscriber to such useless service )

[niller74]

As Prasert said getting the paper work done might be the least of you worries. Distributing reliable internet is not as easy as just pulling a cable to the customers. I will require a lot of technical involvement and most likely expensive equipment, unless you can make it yourself.

If you still wish to continue your endeavor you are welcome to PM me for more details.

[monty]

As Prasert said getting the paper work done might be the least of you worries. Distributing reliable internet is not as easy as just pulling a cable to the customers. I will require a lot of technical involvement and most likely expensive equipment, unless you can make it yourself.

If you still wish to continue your endeavor you are welcome to PM me for more details.

Completely concur, it's definitely not for the faint of heart

Doable, indeed expensive if you go for the reputable brands such as cisco, but also doable with self built hardware IF you have extensive experience in doing things like that.

I'm pretty well versed in the self built hardware/routing software, but no way I would want to go fully commercial. Small scale projects such as small resorts/hotels/condo's I'd go for, but nothing on a bigger scale!

Remember, any access problems and they'll be banging on your door regardless whether it's your fault or your supplying ISP...

[Prasert]

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Remember, any access problems and they'll be banging on your door regardless whether it's your fault or your supplying ISP...

So true!

I would never even think about supplying internet to TV members

On the other hand:

This is exactly the thing that would make it worth it. Competing in service. The big Thai ISPs are simply not capable (yet) to do this, as they just don't understand the meaning of service when it's about computers and networks.

So msto1004, still gonna go for it? If you want to do it, it's possible. In a legal way.