Condom Broke, I'm Now Scare Like ######..

[Pujun]

had sex with a Thai guy in a sauna last night...

he's top and i'm bottom, when we done, i discovered that the condom break during sex... (lack of lubricant)

he told me that he use condom everytime and he's safe.

also he works in post office and require to take hiv test and other kind of blood test every 3 months (true?)....

is that true? i'm now scare like ######...

hiv, heptitis b.. etc..

[erasmus]

he told me that he use condom everytime and he's safe.

also he works in post office and require to take hiv test and other kind of blood test every 3 months (true?)....

is that true?

   

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I'm afraid not.

Wait 3 months and get yourself tested.

[Ijustwannateach]

That's too bad, Pujun. You should be more careful and make sure you have the necessary "supplies"; still, I guess you don't need me to tell you this now.

New diseases take some time to incubate, so if you don't experience any immediate symptoms I'd agree with Erasmus- wait a few months and then get a full spectrum of tests.

Kudos for at least using the condom- but learn to use it well, especially if you're "bottoming!" It's nice of the top guy to try to make you feel better, but if he's a frequent figure on the sauna scene, he's not exactly a low-risk exposure for you. I say once bitten, twice shy- stay away from that guy next time and bring your own lube.

Good luck to you.

"Steven"

[taxexile]

health workers who accidentally suffer needlestick injuries and consider themselves to be at risk from hiv infection can get a "morning after" cocktail of antiviral medication to take over the following three or four weeks.

if you are so worried about it perhaps inquire at a good hospital about post exposure prophylaxis.

[Pujun]

actually, i used my own condom..

Durex condom (the golden color one). but didn't take any lubricant..

i have this guy's contact number and this afternoon, i told him about how worry i am.

is there any place in bangkok that provide free and confidential hiv test?

i would like to ask him go there for a test.

[PeaceBlondie]

Do the tests still require three month waiting period to detect the antibody? Pujun can't wait that long. If he can convince the guy to go for a test (and Pujun, be prepared to pay for it), what's the window of time? Even if the Thai guy 'contracted' something like HIV in the last month, can he pass it on that quickly?

See how much we don't know about certain details.

Been there, done that. Test came back two weeks ago, negative as always. Got to be careful.

What other diseases besides HIV should one be tested for, periodically?

[ChrisP]

Any major Hospital in BKK will do confidential HIV testing, ask at the Outpatients desk. I think it's about 300baht. Depends where you go. Results in 1 hour. I went in October to one. They were very helpful.

The official "window" before it's really clear whether you have contracted HIV or not is 3 months... but the antibodies CAN be present in your body after a few days... but everyone reacts differently.. that's why they say 3 months.

The other test you can take after a couple of days is a Viral Load test. If you contract HIV, your body peaks an initial high viral load, because it hasn't dealt with this infection before... so even if you don't have Antibodies registering in the first few days, you might still have HIV infection, and the Viral Load test will find it.

http://www.aegis.com/factshts/network/simple/viral.html

Hepatitis (esp Hep C) is the other major STD that's very nasty. Aka Viral Hepatitis, it is often a co-infection with HIV. As far as I know there's no vaccination against it, like there is with Hep A & B, and treatment is expensive and has nasty side effects...

More here: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/fact.htm

Oh, and the usual Gonorrea and Syphilis... but you'd know if you had those.

And yes, you can pass it on that quickly. Once it's in your system, it's THERE.. the only problem is detecting it accurately.

ChrisP

Edited November 21, 2004 by ChrisP

[BoomBoom]

had sex with a Thai guy in a sauna last night...

he's top and i'm bottom, when we done, i discovered that the condom break during sex... (lack of lubricant)

he told me that he use condom everytime and he's safe.

also he works in post office and require to take hiv test and other kind of blood test every 3 months (true?)....

is that true? i'm now scare like ######...

hiv, heptitis b.. etc..

   

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U pay someone 2 do that 2 ya?

[Ijustwannateach]

I believe from the context of the post that the attraction was mutual.

You get off from trolling in a gay forum or what, Boomboom? Not enough straight-style activity to keep you busy? Need any introductions?

"Steven"

[davethailand]

The things is though if this was posted in the non gay section titled "I screwed a girl in a massage parlour and the condom broke" it would be deleted by someone for being- non thai related, bg related or some other stupid reason.

Why the double standards? And why is the gay forum so touchy?

[chonabot]

The things is though if this was posted in the non gay section titled "I screwed a girl in a massage parlour and the condom broke" it would be deleted by someone for being- non thai related, bg related or some other stupid reason.

Why the double standards? And why is the gay forum so touchy?

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It's PC gone beserk IMO...

[Ijustwannateach]

The things is though if this was posted in the non gay section titled "I screwed a girl in a massage parlour and the condom broke" it would be deleted by someone for being- non thai related, bg related or some other stupid reason.

Why the double standards? And why is the gay forum so touchy?

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Since you straight guys don't seem to understand what a "gay sauna" means, I'll attempt to explain.

1. A gay sauna is a bathhouse for gay men who come (so to speak) of their own free will to, uh, meet each other and so on. While none of these locations officially endorses sexual activity, there do seem to be a number of dark areas, etc., where individuals so inclined may do as they wish. Prostitution is not involved- in any case there's no place for pockets to carry money (each visitor is typically wrapped in a large towel).

So, the two individuals meeting in the bathhouse as per OP most likely were engaged in their... activity spontaneously and of their own free will, no money or other economic incentives operating.

This may not be very tasteful to you, but it is a whole different ball of wax from bargirls, who are paid professionals with customers.

Furthermore, I suspect that OP *is* a Thai, which makes it very Thai-related.

2. I doubt that if the poster simply posted "I had sex and the condom broke" in the "Health" section that it would be any problem in terms of forum policy.. However, as the poster is a man who had the condom break inside him, I think he was wise to post in a section of the forum more sensitive to his needs.

3. Recently, I myself discouraged a poster in this section who seemed to be asking for advice about places to get sex for money.

So much for double standards.

4. The gay forum is set aside for the specific purpose of allowing us to post free from the sort of yob trolling and taunting that would be inevitable in any other section of the forum. If you have real interest or curiosity in, or contribution to the subject matter, I'm sure you're welcome. Posts like Boomboom's are simply trolling and he should be disciplined for it.

So much for touchiness.

Your questions/comments would carry more weight if you were a regular poster in this section, and not just piping up because another troll has decided to test the rules.

"Steven"

[Ijustwannateach]

Need any introductions?

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not from u ya wierdo

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Hey, a sense of humor! That's a first step! Are you a top or a bottom, and what's your type? Are you looking for boyfriends or just fun?

[BoomBoom]

find it hard to believe...

REMAINDER OF POST DELETED FOR OFFENSIVE AND ABUSIVE LANGUAGE.

MEMBER WARNED AND SUSPENDED FOR 10 DAYS.

ChrisP

Moderator

Edited November 22, 2004 by ChrisP

[davethailand]

The things is though if this was posted in the non gay section titled "I screwed a girl in a massage parlour and the condom broke" it would be deleted by someone for being- non thai related, bg related or some other stupid reason.

Why the double standards? And why is the gay forum so touchy?

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Since you straight guys don't seem to understand what a "gay sauna" means, I'll attempt to explain.

1. A gay sauna is a bathhouse for gay men who come (so to speak) of their own free will to, uh, meet each other and so on. While none of these locations officially endorses sexual activity, there do seem to be a number of dark areas, etc., where individuals so inclined may do as they wish. Prostitution is not involved- in any case there's no place for pockets to carry money (each visitor is typically wrapped in a large towel).

So, the two individuals meeting in the bathhouse as per OP most likely were engaged in their... activity spontaneously and of their own free will, no money or other economic incentives operating.

This may not be very tasteful to you, but it is a whole different ball of wax from bargirls, who are paid professionals with customers.

Furthermore, I suspect that OP *is* a Thai, which makes it very Thai-related.

2. I doubt that if the poster simply posted "I had sex and the condom broke" in the "Health" section that it would be any problem in terms of forum policy.. However, as the poster is a man who had the condom break inside him, I think he was wise to post in a section of the forum more sensitive to his needs.

3. Recently, I myself discouraged a poster in this section who seemed to be asking for advice about places to get sex for money.

So much for double standards.

4. The gay forum is set aside for the specific purpose of allowing us to post free from the sort of yob trolling and taunting that would be inevitable in any other section of the forum. If you have real interest or curiosity in, or contribution to the subject matter, I'm sure you're welcome. Posts like Boomboom's are simply trolling and he should be disciplined for it.

So much for touchiness.

Your questions/comments would carry more weight if you were a regular poster in this section, and not just piping up because another troll has decided to test the rules.

"Steven"

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Your questions/comments would carry more weight if you were a regular poster in this section, and not just piping up because another troll has decided to test the rules.

Sorry, not my thing.

I do wonder why gay forums are allowed to be more risque though?

Mo offence ment but its sometimes a bit to indepth, even for a gay forum.

[Ijustwannateach]

Well, it seems you are asking seriously- but honestly I don't think it's that risque, is it? Can you give me an example? I mean, yes, the guy said the condom broke inside of him but that was kind of essential information to get the health advice- it's not like he gave us all the steamy details with heavy breathing (but I'd be happy to hear 'em!)

I thought I was suitably euphemistic when I described what a gay sauna is?

Are there any other places on this forum where the physical descriptions/ elements of sex are more risque? If so, let me know! I'd love to read 'em! Most of the time here it's all humdrum relationship worries and the usual gripes and moans about dealing with Thai partners

"Steven"

P.S. Boomboom, dear, we've all enjoyed it- hope it was as good for you as it was for us- but I think it's really time for you to find another sandbox to play in before someone starts to hit those "notify mod" buttons!

[davethailand]

I'm not gay and have no intentions of ever being so or trying it, I'm not against gay people (sometimes i don't want to hear about it) and ok this is a gay forum section so fair enough, its my choice to look at it.

I also agree that Boom Boom is obviously a troll and a bit of a &lt;deleted&gt;.

[Ijustwannateach]

Understood. But ya know, we don't bite here. You don't have to keep telling us how straight you are- no one really cares about it, we're just people here. It's fairly easy to tell from someone's posts and what they talk about if they're gay or not even if they don't make a point of it. Hope you'll participate in other discussions here if you find something of interest.

"Steven"

[ChrisP]

Please Read Post #14 in this Topic.

Member suspended.

ChrisP

[davethailand]

Please Read Post #14 in this Topic.

Member suspended.

ChrisP

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He'll be back

[Bobcat]

I think this is an important topic, and one which needs open and frank discussion. HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are of concern to both gay and straight people - the more information people have, the better they will be able to take responsibility for their own health.

I wanted to also raise the issue and HIV and unprotected oral sex. I am interested to know how people on this forum feel about the risks of unprotected oral sex. In my experience, many Thai men do not use condoms when having oral sex with other men - either passive or receptive. Is my experience also shared by other forum members. Do you guys always use a condom is you're engaing in oral sex? I am simply curious and hope that a constructive discussion can come out of these and other similar topics. I am not trying to be controversial or cause abusive responses.

Cheers,

Bob

[taxexile]

................... He thought for sure he was safe with her.....................

nobody,but nobody is safe with his friends wife !!

[PeaceBlondie]

On the subject of contracting HIV through oral sex (which should be of concern to both straights and gays). I think the risk is low.

I used to go to the same gay health clinic in the USA, approx. every 6 months, for my HIV test. Usually my counsellor was big Al, and he began to remember my stories (which were true; do not lie to an STD counsellor unless there are criminal acts involved). Anyway, one time Al was busy and this young counsellor started in on her sermon, "You must always wear a condom when you have oral sex." She said likewise to my boyfriend at the time (we had never used condoms for oral sex).

Al disagreed, saying that the risk is very low, unless you have a recent, serious cut inside your mouth (of which you'd be aware, such as recent dental surgery). I think Steven has pointed out that the body has all kinds of natural biological defenses in the mouth and stomach area against infections (whereas other body openings don't).

No, in Thailand I never saw anybody using condoms for oral sex, and I stopped doing it in 1996. But for anal and vaginal sex - absolutely need to use condoms.

Anything's possible, and I may be wrong, since I'm no expert (maybe Al wasn't, either). Death from motosai accident is far more likely than contracting HIV orally.

[Ice Treasure]

Great to see boom boom banged up. Probably good to delete its' entire post since they don't add anything.

I have decided not to post anywhere but the gay section and my blog from now on because the hetero mods are shall we say "intellectually challenged".

Good thread in my opinion even if the bar flies drag their sorry wads in when there isn't anything interesting going on in the rest of the place.

It would be good to start up a quiet place, maybe private where heteros simply can't go for support of people like our newbie friend who had the rubber break.

A thought for him though, get tested now, and again in 3 months. As Chris says there is normally a pile up in the blood in the first few days (up to 5), and also a heavy morning of throwing up and shitting. Without those in the few days after the break, you are likely to be OK, but nothing in life is certain but death and taxes.

The window closes after 12 weeks, another test then that is clear and you are OK, but you will have learnt a fair bit. It is really hard to say be careful, becaue condoms are really all there is by way of being careful, but it doesn't need clinical discussion.

You said you were worried. If you have the guys name and number, you and him pop along to his temple for a Tambun, and make it 1,000 Bt plus a bucket. You will feel better, he will respect you, and maybe something nice will come of it.

Best of luck old son.

Ice

[jdinasia]

Oh, and the usual Gonorrea and Syphilis... but you'd know if you had those. ------------ Chris ... no not always ... G or S can be contracted and passed on easily without either person knowing ... test for one ... test for all is the smart thing for any sexually active person to do

[ChrisP]

About condoms for oral sex. Nope, I've never used one. I realize it's a risk.. so I don't brush my teeth just before sex either.. (I take a breath mint. )

ChrisP

[ProThaiExpat]

Fear is a mighty weapon, as we all know from the last U.S. election. Having paid strict attention to all the varying public announcements since the aids epidemic began, I have seen a wide variance in "official announcemnts" regarding "safe sex" and after all, if fear will get people to take more care, scare the ###### out of them, I say.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, aids is not a particularly easy disease to get. Since it is fluid borne and must have a "pathway to the blood stream", no mere mucosa abraision will provide a pathway to the bloodstream. Thus, as ChrisP has said, the mouth is a poor place to effect transmission if that is ones intent. In the 80's, oral dams were urged, however, the lastest information indicates little to no risk through oral copulation. In fact, I don't recall a single report of a documented case of oral transmission.

Likewise, saliva and other oral bacteria are highly toxic to hiv cells and their survivability in the oral enviroment is limited. Most hiv websites, including the San Francisco Genereal Hospital web site, do not include oral copulation as a risk of contracting hiv.

As far as anal transmission, there is approximately 1/10th of 1 percent chance of contracting hiv if your the penetrator and your partner is hiv positive and contagious.

For the breaking condom sufferers who are on the receiving end, a quick douche and a prophalactic dose of antibiotics or other clinic recomended day after drug should ensure no transmission, even if you are unlucky enough to hook up with a contagious hiv person who disregards the laws and fails to be truthful regarding his hiv status.

[taxexile]

..................no mere mucosa abraision will provide a pathway to the bloodstream...............

oh yes it will , an abrasion to any mucous membrane will allow passage of viral paricles to enter the bloodstream , be it the vaginal mucosa,oral mucosa or anal mucosa.

there needs to be a large amount of the virus though to cause infection.

if there is a large surface area in contact with the virus then it is easier to get infected. hence it is easier for hetero women to contract it than hetero men. with women there is the large surface area of the vaginal mucosa , with hetero men there is only the small amount of mucosa at the urethral opening. assuming no skin abrasions on the penis.

the oral mucosa has a large surface area and abrades easily. i doubt if the debatable prophylactic qualities of saliva could deal effectively with a mouthful of sperm at full gush either.

those girls working the blow job bars and the guys working the saunas are taking big risks.

[bodypaul]

About condoms for oral sex. Nope, I've never used one.  I realize it's a risk.. so I don't brush my teeth just before sex either.. (I take a breath mint.  )

ChrisP

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So, ya pays yer money and takes yer chance... so to speak

Are those mints 'Life Savers'? That is a brand of mint in case some don't know.

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Very good Ravisher ... I found that funny

[ziv77]

health workers who accidentally suffer needlestick injuries and consider themselves to be at risk from hiv infection can get a "morning after" cocktail of antiviral medication to take over the following three or four weeks.

if you are so worried about it perhaps inquire at a good hospital about post exposure prophylaxis.

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Fail to understand the risk that you took by not using a lubricant!!!! the best condom can break if you dont use a lubricant. Is it worth it????? NO