Arrest Warrant Against Daad Leader

[animatic]

So we add one more mega-popular wingnut

to the 'free government house' warrior tribe?

Anything that can get them some press,

or get them son patronage.

[plachon]

Thanks, Plachon, i kept my post brief to give him an opportunity to perhaps for once, give a straight forward answer and a non contradicting statement that he has become renowned for doing, and justly so IMHO.

Articulate and coherant ????...engage the old grey matter YH and stop playing with straight forward, simple requests for once.

Otherwise silence is golden and far better IMHO

marshbags

Honestly Marshbank I don't fully grasp what you're on about.Would you like to rephrase your question and I'll do my best to answer.

If however the Plachon version of your question is correct yes I accept there is inconsistency but it's more apparent than real.Here's why.Certainly I agree that the current political turmoil is all about Thaksin in the sense the entire elite is focused on his destruction by whatever means, and we have seen recent symbolic evidence of that.I think he is increasingly marginalised for that reason.On the other hand one has to ask the question why the elite is so determined to eliminate him and his influence.The naive would say it's just because of his corruption and human rights record.I have been arguing for months that it is about much more than that, specifically Thaksin's politicisation of millions of Thais who previously were treated with relative neglect and contempt.The rewriting of the political map in that sense is more significant than Thaksin himself.

This may not be the question you had in mind and certainly it doesn't follow the thread, so let me know if I can clarify.

You really are getting confused now or just over-simplifying things. Re-read your post YH, and look at it carefully: such statements as "the entire elite is focused on his destruction". Like Samak, Salang Bunnag, the entire 111 banned TRT NP's, the Shinawatra clan themselves and countless other mega-rich persons in Thailand are not part of "the elite"??????

And "increasingly marginalised" should read, "increasingly desperate" to the point of being prepared to lead mad-dogs like Salang and DAAD packdogs onto the streets pf Bangkok with the express purpose of creating a bloodbath, seems hardly like he's at the margins of Thai politics, does it?

With your repeated condescension to many and faux naiviety about what Marshbags was addressing, then you surely are one of the remote elites of people's politics and what it is striving to do in Thailand today. I'll grant you that Thaksin has played a pivotal role in politicising the rural masses, but ultimately he was not trying to serve his interests, but purely his own selfish greed and lust for power/wealth, which as current events proves, is well born out by reality.

[younghusband]

Thanks, Plachon, i kept my post brief to give him an opportunity to perhaps for once, give a straight forward answer and a non contradicting statement that he has become renowned for doing, and justly so IMHO.

Articulate and coherant ????...engage the old grey matter YH and stop playing with straight forward, simple requests for once.

Otherwise silence is golden and far better IMHO

marshbags

Honestly Marshbank I don't fully grasp what you're on about.Would you like to rephrase your question and I'll do my best to answer.

If however the Plachon version of your question is correct yes I accept there is inconsistency but it's more apparent than real.Here's why.Certainly I agree that the current political turmoil is all about Thaksin in the sense the entire elite is focused on his destruction by whatever means, and we have seen recent symbolic evidence of that.I think he is increasingly marginalised for that reason.On the other hand one has to ask the question why the elite is so determined to eliminate him and his influence.The naive would say it's just because of his corruption and human rights record.I have been arguing for months that it is about much more than that, specifically Thaksin's politicisation of millions of Thais who previously were treated with relative neglect and contempt.The rewriting of the political map in that sense is more significant than Thaksin himself.

This may not be the question you had in mind and certainly it doesn't follow the thread, so let me know if I can clarify.

You really are getting confused now or just over-simplifying things. Re-read your post YH, and look at it carefully: such statements as "the entire elite is focused on his destruction". Like Samak, Salang Bunnag, the entire 111 banned TRT NP's, the Shinawatra clan themselves and countless other mega-rich persons in Thailand are not part of "the elite"??????

And "increasingly marginalised" should read, "increasingly desperate" to the point of being prepared to lead mad-dogs like Salang and DAAD packdogs onto the streets pf Bangkok with the express purpose of creating a bloodbath, seems hardly like he's at the margins of Thai politics, does it?

With your repeated condescension to many and faux naiviety about what Marshbags was addressing, then you surely are one of the remote elites of people's politics and what it is striving to do in Thailand today. I'll grant you that Thaksin has played a pivotal role in politicising the rural masses, but ultimately he was not trying to serve his interests, but purely his own selfish greed and lust for power/wealth, which as current events proves, is well born out by reality.

I would have thought the meaning of elite in this context was clear.Jonathan Head used it in exactly this sense in a BBC recent broadcast.Plus would call them the people who matter.

Your last paragraph is a tired rehash of arguments put forward many times.Suffice it to say that all modern politicians are to lesser or greater degree populist.In other words they need to implement policies that are of appeal to the majority.The PAD leadership following in the steps of Sarit take a different approach.

I genuinely don't understand what Marshbanks was saying.No doubt he will explain shortly.

[plachon]

Thanks, Plachon, i kept my post brief to give him an opportunity to perhaps for once, give a straight forward answer and a non contradicting statement that he has become renowned for doing, and justly so IMHO.

Articulate and coherant ????...engage the old grey matter YH and stop playing with straight forward, simple requests for once.

Otherwise silence is golden and far better IMHO

marshbags

Honestly Marshbank I don't fully grasp what you're on about.Would you like to rephrase your question and I'll do my best to answer.

If however the Plachon version of your question is correct yes I accept there is inconsistency but it's more apparent than real.Here's why.Certainly I agree that the current political turmoil is all about Thaksin in the sense the entire elite is focused on his destruction by whatever means, and we have seen recent symbolic evidence of that.I think he is increasingly marginalised for that reason.On the other hand one has to ask the question why the elite is so determined to eliminate him and his influence.The naive would say it's just because of his corruption and human rights record.I have been arguing for months that it is about much more than that, specifically Thaksin's politicisation of millions of Thais who previously were treated with relative neglect and contempt.The rewriting of the political map in that sense is more significant than Thaksin himself.

This may not be the question you had in mind and certainly it doesn't follow the thread, so let me know if I can clarify.

You really are getting confused now or just over-simplifying things. Re-read your post YH, and look at it carefully: such statements as "the entire elite is focused on his destruction". Like Samak, Salang Bunnag, the entire 111 banned TRT NP's, the Shinawatra clan themselves and countless other mega-rich persons in Thailand are not part of "the elite"??????

And "increasingly marginalised" should read, "increasingly desperate" to the point of being prepared to lead mad-dogs like Salang and DAAD packdogs onto the streets pf Bangkok with the express purpose of creating a bloodbath, seems hardly like he's at the margins of Thai politics, does it?

With your repeated condescension to many and faux naiviety about what Marshbags was addressing, then you surely are one of the remote elites of people's politics and what it is striving to do in Thailand today. I'll grant you that Thaksin has played a pivotal role in politicising the rural masses, but ultimately he was not trying to serve his interests, but purely his own selfish greed and lust for power/wealth, which as current events proves, is well born out by reality.

I would have thought the meaning of elite in this context was clear.Jonathan Head used it in exactly this sense in a BBC recent broadcast.Plus would call them the people who matter.

Your last paragraph is a tired rehash of arguments put forward many times.Suffice it to say that all modern politicians are to lesser or greater degree populist.In other words they need to implement policies that are of appeal to the majority.The PAD leadership following in the steps of Sarit take a different approach.

I genuinely don't understand what Marshbanks was saying.No doubt he will explain shortly.

I'll let Marshbags clarify exactly the point he wanted to get across, as you cannot seem to grasp it in the least, just like his name.

At the same time, I would like to point out to you your repeated flip-flopping about who is in control, who is marginalised, and who really matters in Thai society. You criticise others for their poor knowledge of Thai history and its context, but I don't think I'd be going too far if I pointed out your grasp about modern politics and history seems to be rather shakey at best.

For example, as well as swinging from one extreme to an other about Thaksin's importance and role in the events unfurling on the streets and tea shops of Thailand (one minute it's all about him, the next he's marginalised by the elite); you also have been swinging more often than Banharn's loyalties between pronouncing PAD as a marginalised group who know one should pay much attention to a few months ago, to now suggesting that they hold the balance of power in Thailand and are about to unfurl a Field Marshall Sarit type regime on the nation, with Sonthi Limtongkul at the head. This is so whacky and far-out, that I'm surprised by even your apparent slide into LOS or Sunrise type of flights of fancy and self-delusion.

As I said in an earlier post, I think you need to seriously get a grip and evaluate where your own ideological stance has led you, while hiding behind a pretence of academic superiority of others.

[marshbags]

Edited by marshbags

I genuinely don't understand what Marshbanks was saying.No doubt he will explain shortly.

Y.H. You are well known for your contradictory posts and your sarcastic views as and when they suit your chaotic imput when simple answers are adequate.

You play with words al the time and often finish up making a statement that gives views on everything but the relevant one.

Hence my purposely brief one asking you in a slightly non serious sarcastic manner as to the changing of your views when similar situations arise.

What have been your observations when the PAD members where alledged to have committed lese majesty and did you offer a similar view to the one supporting the DAAD.

Your reference to quote " Da Torpedo " was a typical mischief making comment, going on your history.

I purposely mentioned a brief reply out of consideration on the rules of not only our T.Visa forum, but everywhere in Thailand.

Rightly so as well it should be respected.

Re my delay in giving a more direct reply to your question.

As i have just got back, i am at present getting up to speed on not only what has been happening in the news and the mountain of diverse observations we lucky to have via it,but more importantly my personal stuff and giving attention to my family for a short while.

While trying to show how articulate you are and how un / inarticualte the rest of us non educated members are ( if we are to believe your take on this that continually comes across ) you finish up with the sort of hashed up response tha Plachon remarked upon.

As he wisely suggests, perhaps re reading some of your comments may assist you in pinning certain things down re playing with words and contradiction.

Hence the " silence is golden " sometimes anyway.

marshbags

P.S.

Please don,t ask me to waste any more of my valuable time to explain on an explanation that differs from yours and stop playing with words and do not only yourself, but all of us, a favour.

i don,t play tennis at the present time

Edited October 20, 2008 by marshbags

[younghusband]

As I said in an earlier post, I think you need to seriously get a grip and evaluate where your own ideological stance has led you, while hiding behind a pretence of academic superiority of others.

You are clearly not interested in (and from the rather diffuse thought processes displayed possibly not capable of) a serious discussion.For others who might be interested in the comparison made I would recommend Thak Chaloemtiarana's "ThePolitics of Despotic Paternalism."

[younghusband]

Y.H. You are well known for your contradictory posts and your sarcastic views as and when they suit your chaotic imput when simple answers are adequate.

You play with words al the time and often finish up making a statement that gives views on everything but the relevant one.

Your reference to quote " Da Torpedo " was a typical mischief making comment, going on your history.

I purposely mentioned a brief reply out of consideration on the rules of not only our T.Visa forum, but everywhere in Thailand.

Rightly so as well it should be respected.

I do understand your point now which seems to be specifically irritation with the way I expressed my views on that foolish woman Da Torpedo and perhaps more generally my lofty manner.I will try to do better with the latter in our future exchanges not least I have always genuinely admired your passion on the drug war crimes.As to the former no mischief making was intended but the reality is very clear.

[animatic]

As I said in an earlier post, I think you need to seriously get a grip and evaluate where your own ideological stance has led you, while hiding behind a pretence of academic superiority of others.

You are clearly not interested in (and from the rather diffuse thought processes displayed possibly not capable of) a serious discussion.For others who might be interested in the comparison made I would recommend Thak Chaloemtiarana's "ThePolitics of Despotic Paternalism."

Ah so now we see:

The fatherly pedant calling the paternalist daddy.

Inconsistancy of position is not a crime,

it just obscures your points rather handily.

Tangental deflection does the same well too.

Edited October 20, 2008 by animatic

[younghusband]

As I said in an earlier post, I think you need to seriously get a grip and evaluate where your own ideological stance has led you, while hiding behind a pretence of academic superiority of others.

You are clearly not interested in (and from the rather diffuse thought processes displayed possibly not capable of) a serious discussion.For others who might be interested in the comparison made I would recommend Thak Chaloemtiarana's "ThePolitics of Despotic Paternalism."

Ah so now we see:

The fatherly pedant calling the paternalist daddy.

Inconsistancy of position is not a crime,

it just obscures your points rather handily.

Tangental deflection does the same well too.

That's rather a clever post I must admit (though I am the victim!)

[Bangyai]

If they go at this rate, pretty soon DAAD will be branded as an anti-monarchy movement, something they always try to hide. If this kind of mass perception is formed, it will be extremely difficult to overcome for them.

Plus, I'd expect better from you... sad.

Why?

I think it's pretty obvious that DAAD has plenty of "anti-monarchy" elements among their leaders, but I don't think their ordinary members are aware of that. This guy is the third one busted for lese majeste. There was also Jakrapob and Da Torpedo.

On the other hand, maybe it is a real revolutionary movement brewing there. Would their leaders admit it? I doubt it.

point of order... he's the Fourth one in the gang busted for this offense...

Warrant for Veera

The Criminal Court yesterday approved a warrant for the arrest of politician and television host [and Banned Thai Rak Thai Party Exectutive] Veera Musikapong on lese majeste charges. The warrant was sought by Chanasongkhram police investigators in connection with Veera's speech on May 6 last year at a pro-Thaksin Shinawatra United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship rally.

Talking of LM, Sondhi is still out on bail for his own last infraction, repeating ' Da Torpedo's ' remarks with a view to inciting the PAD crowd. When it comes to the Lese majeste laws and the courts , the goalposts seem to be on rails , with impunity for some and the extremest letter of the law for others. It seems that the courts don't act on 'precedent ' .

Before the coup, Sondhi was warned about his frequently using the Royal name in his fiery speaches at Sanam Luang as if trying to imply Royal support. The situation now is quite different.

Seeing the way that the courts are currently acting with a heavy bias only adds credence to Taksins claims that he would not get a fair trial at present.

As for Plus's claim that the DAAD seem to be increasingly anti monarchist it is difficult to discuss given the taboo nature of the subject. If people look into this subject it seems that Plus's claim is wishful thinking. What many Thais feel is that although they love the Royal family they object to unscrupulous parties using them to silence opposition in order to further their own aims. All of the Thais I speak to are fully aware of this fact and it is the cause of much resentment.

As for any future violence and bloodshed that might result from the current stalemate , both sides must take some of the blame. Before Chamlongs staged arrest there was some hope of dialogue but his actions were specifically designed as a move against a negotiated settlement. The PAD are now playing a game of ' All or Nothing ' it remains to be seen which of these two options they end up with.

[sriracha john]

'Da Torpedo' arrested on lese majesty charge

Speaking to reporters after the weekly Cabinet meeting, Samak said he had received a police report that Daranee Charnchoengsilpakul, better known as Da Torpedo, attacked the highest institution while joining a demonstration at Sanam Luang against the People's Alliance for Democracy.

Samak said police would take legal action against her."The person violated the laws with her words, which affected several institutions. I ordered police to take action against the person immediately," Samak said.Earlier, the Army filed a complaint with police to take legal action against Daranee for having attacked the highest institution while speaking on stage of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship.

Pol Maj Gen Amnuay Nimmano, commander of Metropolitan Police Division 1, said Dararnee allegedly made statement in contempt of the highest institution on the DAAD stage at Sanam Luang on Thursday and Friday.Amnuay said the South Bangkok District Court approved an arrest warrant against her and she was arrested by Chana Songkram police in Phaholyothin area Tuesday.

I won't repeat what she said... but it was the worst language used I've heard that warranted the charge and it's easy to why they want to hold her in protective custody. Her words would upset every conceivable niche of Thai society from rich to poor, old to young.

I think it's pretty obvious that DAAD has plenty of "anti-monarchy" elements among their leaders, but I don't think their ordinary members are aware of that. This guy is the third one busted for lese majeste. There was also Jakrapob and Da Torpedo.

On the other hand, maybe it is a real revolutionary movement brewing there. Would their leaders admit it? I doubt it.

Thai lese-majeste trial shut "for national security"

BANGKOK - A Thai judge citing reasons of national security closed the trial on Tuesday of a "red shirt" supporter of former premier Thaksin Shinawatra charged with insulting the monarchy.

The ruling drew an emotional response from the defendant, Darunee Charnchoengsilpakul, who was arrested last July after delivering an exceptionally strong speech on the 2006 coup that ousted Thaksin.

"I want justice," the 46-year-old campaigner, better known as "Da Torpedo", told the judge before a handful of journalists and supporters were ordered to leave.

"The speech I am charged with was made at an open rally. I cannot accept that a closed trial will guarantee justice," she said, standing before the court wearing a dark prison gown.

Judge Prommat Toosang said Darunee's trial at Bangkok's Criminal Court was a "matter of national security" but her lawyer could appeal against the decision.

"For now, anybody not involved with this case needs to leave the courtroom immediately," he said.

"I guarantee the defendant will get a fair trial, but this has to be a closed-door hearing."

Speaking to Reuters before the hearing, Darunee said she had lost 17 kilos (37 lb) after nearly a year in detention awaiting trial.

"My life in jail is hard," she said, holding out little hope of winning her case after being denied bail several times.

She said her speech at a pro-Thaksin rally in Bangkok last year was aimed at the generals who ousted the former telecoms tycoon, who lives in self-imposed exile after his conviction on conflict of interest charges.

-- Reuters 2009-06-23

[HagenvonTronje]

Thai lese-majeste trial shut "for national security"

-- Reuters 2009-06-23

for the ones that want to read a little bit different and more detailed version of this Reuters article, where critics came to word and also Da Torpedo herself, i recommend to read the Reuters article on it's source. You will get more information than from the SJ version.

Edit:

Link to article deleted, as not all mentioned is appropriate to discuss on Thaivisa. The post by SRJ ommited indeed some information, but this was clearly done to confirm with Thaivisa's policy regarding the monarchy. The role of the monarchy will not be discussed. mario2008

[Journalist]

Why doesn't she simply plead guilty. The case voiced by the attorney seems to be that she did contravene lese majeste laws, but that the law itself is unfair. In that case she should take her jail sentence and try to depict herself as a political martyr.

If she's acquitted or pardoned, then her point about the lack of freedom of speech is negated, thus rendering her stance pointless.

[Plus]

She was refused bail for her own safety, as her speech was practically as provoking as that guy who destroyed Erawan shrine and was lynched on the spot.

Thais tend to take some matters very seriously, and the judges thought her life was in danger.

[sriracha john]

Also, it's worth learning who ordered the arrest of this "anti-PAD" and "pro-Thaksin" speaker:

Samak said police would take legal action against her. "That person violated the law with her words. I ordered the police to take action against her immediately," he said.

- The Nation / July 22, 2008

Closed door lese majeste trial for Daranee makes lawyer despair

A defence lawyer for alleged lese majeste offender Daranee Charncherngsilpakul expressed concern yesterday that his client may suffer a negative outcome because she faces a closed-door trial.

Prawese Praphanukul said it was hard enough fighting a lese majeste case in the open, so having the trial closed to the public and media would make things even more difficult.

"Normally in an open trial [of such a case] the lawyer won't try to wrestle with the judges, but if it's done in secret we will need to have legal assistants as witnesses."

Reporters and anyone not directly involved with the trial were barred from observing the proceedings, which began on Tuesday.

Daranee was arrested last July for allegedly defaming the monarchy in three separate speeches. She faces up to 45 years of jail if found guilty.

Her lawyer insists Daranee is innocent, but conceded the chance of winning these cases was slim. Prawese criticised the lese majeste law, saying it created more problems than it solved.

"I can't see that it's making society democratic ... as it ends up being a tool of opposing [political] groups," he said, referring to the fact that anyone can file a lese majeste charge against whoever they say has defamed the monarchy.

The 49-year-old lawyer also said it was not right Daranee had to wear a brown prison gown while in court. This type of attire was normally reserved for people accused of severe crimes, such as selling more than 10,000 methamphetamine tablets, he said.

-- The Nation 2009-06-25

[Samuian]

If they go at this rate, pretty soon DAAD will be branded as an anti-monarchy movement, something they always try to hide. If this kind of mass perception is formed, it will be extremely difficult to overcome for them.

in essence it's what it is all about, it won't stop, it's the pack pacing the limping ..... !

ruthless!

get 'em!

[jayboy]

She was refused bail for her own safety, as her speech was practically as provoking as that guy who destroyed Erawan shrine and was lynched on the spot.

Thais tend to take some matters very seriously, and the judges thought her life was in danger.

That's one possibility.Another is that any detailed public discussion on this type of offence is off limits as far as the hoi polloi is concerned.It was ever thus.

[phupaman]

Hi All/

It looks like Thaksin and friends and the DAAD have sacrificed her ,,No help

from anyone in prison The Redshirt movement looks after its friends.............not

phupaman.

[animatic]

If they go at this rate, pretty soon DAAD will be branded as an anti-monarchy movement, something they always try to hide. If this kind of mass perception is formed, it will be extremely difficult to overcome for them.

in essence it's what it is all about, it won't stop, it's the pack pacing the limping ..... !

ruthless!

get 'em!

And it's not a pack of ankle-biters hounding a mamouth,

occasionally losing a member under a well placed giant footpad,

but strong and aggressive, though smaller, alpha-predators stalking

an over-zealous youth who tried to over-reach and got nipped,

and is now limping behind the pack, licking it's wounds.

Challenging the leader of the pack for dominance often draws

a wound or two and slows the defeated beta animal enough to

be prey, rather than predator, of those other species in the vicinity.

[HagenvonTronje]

If they go at this rate, pretty soon DAAD will be branded as an anti-monarchy movement, something they always try to hide. If this kind of mass perception is formed, it will be extremely difficult to overcome for them.

in essence it's what it is all about, it won't stop, it's the pack pacing the limping ..... !

ruthless!

get 'em!

And it's not a pack of ankle-biters hounding a mamouth,

occasionally losing a member under a well placed giant footpad,

but strong and aggressive, though smaller, alpha-predators stalking

an over-zealous youth who tried to over-reach and got nipped,

and is now limping behind the pack, licking it's wounds.

Challenging the leader of the pack for dominance often draws

a wound or two and slows the defeated beta animal enough to

be prey, rather than predator, of those other species in the vicinity.

somebody have some clue about who and what S&A are talking here?

[animatic]

Case closed for 'not getting it'.

Never thought it was any other ways based on historical datum.

[Plus]

She was refused bail for her own safety, as her speech was practically as provoking as that guy who destroyed Erawan shrine and was lynched on the spot.

Thais tend to take some matters very seriously, and the judges thought her life was in danger.

That's one possibility.Another is that any detailed public discussion on this type of offence is off limits as far as the hoi polloi is concerned.It was ever thus.

That, too, though I'm not sure you are talking about no bail part.

Reporting on and discussing her speech is certainly off limits in Thailand, Thai state prefers not to disclose the existence of such sentiments, and it IS a matter of national security it that discussion spills out of the courtroom and into the streets.

I suspect freedom of speech advocates here don't want to be responsible for consequences of that "freedom", they just want to see their favourite principle upheld, never mind the costs.

[HagenvonTronje]

She was refused bail for her own safety, as her speech was practically as provoking as that guy who destroyed Erawan shrine and was lynched on the spot.

Thais tend to take some matters very seriously, and the judges thought her life was in danger.

That's one possibility.Another is that any detailed public discussion on this type of offence is off limits as far as the hoi polloi is concerned.It was ever thus.

That, too, though I'm not sure you are talking about no bail part.

Reporting on and discussing her speech is certainly off limits in Thailand, Thai state prefers not to disclose the existence of such sentiments, and it IS a matter of national security it that discussion spills out of the courtroom and into the streets.

I suspect freedom of speech advocates here don't want to be responsible for consequences of that "freedom", they just want to see their favourite principle upheld, never mind the costs.

you mean talking about the Emperor of Japan, the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, the Romanovs, Marie Antoinette and Elizabeth II could lead to some problem and it is indeed a matter of national security?

for the same reasons that she was refused bail for her own security? because some vigilante group could roaming through the streets, chant ruthless!, pack!, animals!, and get 'em! and start some lynch action and hunt all the red shirts down.

and because the lynch mob are obviously barbarian people, the advocates for freedom of speech and right of information are actually responsible for the consequences???

anyway, i guess you would say they deserved it, right? same as that one unlucky guy at sanam luang. only one. 1976. or the one below. Bangkok, songkran 2009.

banality of evil.

[Plus]

The offensive part of her speech was about fate of Nepalese monarchy, and you don't need a very high IQ to figure out that drawing parallels with Thailand would be very much unwelcome in this country.

But no, let's add some pictures from unrelated event.

For the sake of what? Derailing the topic?

[HagenvonTronje]

The offensive part of her speech was about fate of Nepalese monarchy, and you don't need a very high IQ to figure out that drawing parallels with Thailand would be very much unwelcome in this country.

But no, let's add some pictures from unrelated event.

For the sake of what? Derailing the topic?

The Nepalese monarchy, that was big news in Thailand, if remember well, the Bangkok Post had also a special front page in glossy.

Torpedo also spoke about the fate of the the Romanovs and Marie Antoinette in contrast to the Emperor of Japan and Queen E II. in case you don't know, all are Royals. she also talked about Prem and the coup. that gives you a couple of points more that just the nepalese family.

you talked about some mob action and that she needs protection, Schutzhaft, maybe also the full 45 years in jail? i don't think so.

photo shows some barbaric, violent street mob.we can assume that started with the started with some words like animals! and get 'em! doesn't

i thought you meant exactly these people.

[Plus]

Should they let her receive her "street justice" just to prove your unclear point about violent mobs?

How about you sacrificing yourself instead? For the sake of the discussion.

[sriracha john]

If they go at this rate, pretty soon DAAD will be branded as an anti-monarchy movement, something they always try to hide. If this kind of mass perception is formed, it will be extremely difficult to overcome for them.

Plus, I'd expect better from you... sad.

Why?

I think it's pretty obvious that DAAD has plenty of "anti-monarchy" elements among their leaders, but I don't think their ordinary members are aware of that. This guy is the third one busted for lese majeste. There was also Jakrapob and Da Torpedo.

On the other hand, maybe it is a real revolutionary movement brewing there. Would their leaders admit it? I doubt it.

point of order... he's the Fourth one in the gang busted for this offense...

Warrant for Veera

The Criminal Court yesterday approved a warrant for the arrest of politician and television host [and Banned Thai Rak Thai Party Exectutive] Veera Musikapong on lese majeste charges. The warrant was sought by Chanasongkhram police investigators in connection with Veera's speech on May 6 last year at a pro-Thaksin Shinawatra United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship rally.

Interesting to read that the Red Shirts have disowned Da Torpedo during her protective custody... and left her flapping in the wind.

There's also a wedge between Jakrapob and the other 2 Red Shirt Leaders similarly charged above.

Anyway, their anti-monarchy movement struggles on.

[Plus]

That move to change National day from Dec 5 to June 24 was interesting - I thought they were against the coups in principle. It was surely not a people's revolution back in 1932, just a coup for democracy.

[somluck]

Any link to the video of that speech?

[sunholidaysun1]

The penalties for breaking the law in any country will result in a penalty of sorts. Drug users/suppliers know what they can expect to get if they get caught and so do those who spout off . The LM rule has been in place long enough with several imprissoned through thoughtless comments, I hasten to add that many were released after a short time with the Kings Gracious pardon. Personally if you break the law , you face the consequesnces. As for the Ex PM, Taxin will get his just deserts. Freedom of speach is NO SUCH THING even in the democratic countries of the world but the laws , what ever they are, can be broken as long as you pay for it if caught out.