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For me, closing an airport is much worse than buying votes. Assuming that vote buying was that widespread (I'm not an expert on that).

I think there are times to be casual about what is going on, and times to think that something is serious ... this seems to me a time to think that it is a very serious situation. If the airport remains closed for an extended period, the economy will go down the toilet for several years. And probably the PAD's family will be some of the ones that lose jobs as a result. They won't be happy when their sisters/ brothers/ cousins lose their jobs because of their own actions.

Also there is a real possibility of civil war if one of the sides doesn't back down, then where is it going to end?

Posted
For me, closing an airport is much worse than buying votes. Assuming that vote buying was that widespread (I'm not an expert on that).

I think there are times to be casual about what is going on, and times to think that something is serious ... this seems to me a time to think that it is a very serious situation. If the airport remains closed for an extended period, the economy will go down the toilet for several years. And probably the PAD's family will be some of the ones that lose jobs as a result. They won't be happy when their sisters/ brothers/ cousins lose their jobs because of their own actions.

Also there is a real possibility of civil war if one of the sides doesn't back down, then where is it going to end?

Having a government comprised of criminal cabals is worse. I think the PAD protesters have said they will accept the consequences of their actions. The criminally inept government and it "Dear Leader", never has.

Posted
For me, closing an airport is much worse than buying votes. Assuming that vote buying was that widespread (I'm not an expert on that).

I think there are times to be casual about what is going on, and times to think that something is serious ... this seems to me a time to think that it is a very serious situation. If the airport remains closed for an extended period, the economy will go down the toilet for several years. And probably the PAD's family will be some of the ones that lose jobs as a result. They won't be happy when their sisters/ brothers/ cousins lose their jobs because of their own actions.

Also there is a real possibility of civil war if one of the sides doesn't back down, then where is it going to end?

Having a government comprised of criminal cabals is worse. I think the PAD protesters have said they will accept the consequences of their actions. The criminally inept government and it "Dear Leader", never has.

Exactly what consequences have the leaders of the PAD accepted. None whatsoever. Every time these PAD terrorists are arrested they hide behind the Thai Courts accountable solely to the military. They have caused billions of baht in damages and have yet to repay a satang.

Posted

Every government in inept to some degree, but PAD are the ones Directly causing the airport to close and destruction of thailand, and possible civil war. So it is primarily their responsibility. Accepting the responsibility for destroying people's lives is bs ??? It's like killing someone and then saying "I accept responsibility for killing you" It's meaningless. If they accepted responsibility for it they wouldn't do it.

I think the government has three options:

1) Get the protestors out of there with the police - this would be massive bloodshed, and possible civil war

2) Do nothing ... just wait until the economy is completely down the toilet and everyone eventually will get so annoyed with PAD that they are losing their jobs that the support for PAD will go to zero

3) Step down from power

The best option is 3, Thailand would be much better off with no government right now, but doesn't seem like that is going to happen, because of their ego and desire to be right.

Posted
For me, closing an airport is much worse than buying votes. Assuming that vote buying was that widespread (I'm not an expert on that).

I think there are times to be casual about what is going on, and times to think that something is serious ... this seems to me a time to think that it is a very serious situation. If the airport remains closed for an extended period, the economy will go down the toilet for several years. And probably the PAD's family will be some of the ones that lose jobs as a result. They won't be happy when their sisters/ brothers/ cousins lose their jobs because of their own actions.

Also there is a real possibility of civil war if one of the sides doesn't back down, then where is it going to end?

Having a government comprised of criminal cabals is worse. I think the PAD protesters have said they will accept the consequences of their actions. The criminally inept government and it "Dear Leader", never has.

Exactly what consequences have the leaders of the PAD accepted. None whatsoever. Every time these PAD terrorists are arrested they hide behind the Thai Courts accountable solely to the military. They have caused billions of baht in damages and have yet to repay a satang.

They have judgements against them? Thai courts accountable to themilitary? Can you show me that organizational flow chart please?

Posted

What's worse than either one is the extra judicial murders of 2,500 people without trial under the Thaksin adminstration.

Posted
For me, closing an airport is much worse than buying votes. Assuming that vote buying was that widespread (I'm not an expert on that).

I think there are times to be casual about what is going on, and times to think that something is serious ... this seems to me a time to think that it is a very serious situation. If the airport remains closed for an extended period, the economy will go down the toilet for several years. And probably the PAD's family will be some of the ones that lose jobs as a result. They won't be happy when their sisters/ brothers/ cousins lose their jobs because of their own actions.

Also there is a real possibility of civil war if one of the sides doesn't back down, then where is it going to end?

Congratulations, PAD. You all have damaged the country and cost the people of this country more in five days than Thaksin did in five years. Arrogance personified would not be too strong a term for such action.

Having a government comprised of criminal cabals is worse. I think the PAD protesters have said they will accept the consequences of their actions. The criminally inept government and it "Dear Leader", never has.

Exactly what consequences have the leaders of the PAD accepted. None whatsoever. Every time these PAD terrorists are arrested they hide behind the Thai Courts accountable solely to the military. They have caused billions of baht in damages and have yet to repay a satang.

Posted

I'm going to take away your job, so you don't have a way to earn money, and have trouble getting food to eat. I'm going to take away the jobs of tens of thousands of people.

But I accept responsibility for what i am doing. I fully accept the responsibility for this action.

Thank you.

I'm still a nice person ok?

I don't want to hurt you ok?

I'm just destroying your life, but I don't want to hurt you

I'm accepting responsibility for my actions ok?

Posted
Since every party vote buys I hardly see it reasonable to whinge about one party over another.

I keep hearing "every party buys votes" ... but as far as I can ascertain that just is not true. (One guy in here said that in his constituency there were 2 busses to take people to the tambon office to vote ... one PPP and one Democrat ... strangely that tambon didn't have a Democrat running)

Posted
I'm going to take away your job, so you don't have a way to earn money, and have trouble getting food to eat. I'm going to take away the jobs of tens of thousands of people.

But I accept responsibility for what i am doing. I fully accept the responsibility for this action.

Thank you.

I'm still a nice person ok?

I don't want to hurt you ok?

I'm just destroying your life, but I don't want to hurt you

I'm accepting responsibility for my actions ok?

I would saythat is extremely unfortunate but in the bigger scheme of things is less important than the battle being waged today. Ironically, I am for the aims of the "redshirts" and against their machine. Just as I am opposed to PAD's (no stated elitest)aims but for their machine.

It is our own conceit that these things need to happen at a time and in a fashion of our own desires. Personally, I hope PAD wins round one, and a more viable grassroots campaign wins round two, mnus all of its current leadership. I would like to see the silent majority begin to care about the aims of both sides. That is a fundamental necessity in a democracy.

Posted
(One guy in here said that in his constituency there were 2 busses to take people to the tambon office to vote ... one PPP and one Democrat ... strangely that tambon didn't have a Democrat running)

Not a surprise. I imagine most of these posters claiming PAD are paid, Dems offered me money, etc are repeating rumours heard from their girlfriends or other Thai friends that heard them from someone else and so on.

Posted

... and what exactly is vote buying?

- giving 600 Baht to protesters to join the mob at the airport?

- giving 200 Bath for a promise to vote PPP (which they would vote anyway)?

- promising higher salary if elected?

- promising lower tax if elected?

- inviting people to a meeting with free food and drinks and music?

Vote buying - in one way or another - is as old as democracy and elections. So what's the big deal here?

PAD's actions have nothing to do with vote buying, that just a pretext. The real question is: Who will profit from PAD's action and who finances them? The life TV alone costs about 1 million Baht per day. But these question cannot be discussed in Thailand. Why?

The government stepping down is no solution. Who will form the new government? PAD?

Dissolve the house and have new election is no solution either; PPP and its allies will win again, I would anticipate with an even higher margin.

For me the only solution is to reestablish law and order, force PAD to make a political party and make them accountable for their actions and let them face election. But that's not likely to happen.

So we just have to wait and see and watch Thailand and its economy go down the drain. So sad.

Posted

sorry I underestimated with the tens of thousands losing jobs:

"The effects on Thailand's tourism industry are set to be 'mammoth', with up to one million Thais facing losing their jobs and the number of visitors from abroad falling by half next year, Olarn Chaiprawat said." (this is in the straits times)

Posted
sorry I underestimated with the tens of thousands losing jobs:

"The effects on Thailand's tourism industry are set to be 'mammoth', with up to one million Thais facing losing their jobs and the number of visitors from abroad falling by half next year, Olarn Chaiprawat said." (this is in the straits times)

I see you found the report on the economic turndown (not the political troubles)

Posted
... and what exactly is vote buying?

- giving 600 Baht to protesters to join the mob at the airport?

- giving 200 Bath for a promise to vote PPP (which they would vote anyway)?

- promising higher salary if elected?

- promising lower tax if elected?

- inviting people to a meeting with free food and drinks and music?

Vote buying - in one way or another - is as old as democracy and elections. So what's the big deal here?

PAD's actions have nothing to do with vote buying, that just a pretext. The real question is: Who will profit from PAD's action and who finances them? The life TV alone costs about 1 million Baht per day. But these question cannot be discussed in Thailand. Why?

The government stepping down is no solution. Who will form the new government? PAD?

Dissolve the house and have new election is no solution either; PPP and its allies will win again, I would anticipate with an even higher margin.

For me the only solution is to reestablish law and order, force PAD to make a political party and make them accountable for their actions and let them face election. But that's not likely to happen.

So we just have to wait and see and watch Thailand and its economy go down the drain. So sad.

Good post !

Posted
"The effects on Thailand's tourism industry are set to be 'mammoth', with up to one million Thais facing losing their jobs and the number of visitors from abroad falling by half next year, Olarn Chaiprawat said." (this is in the straits times)

Olarn Chaipravat is on the University Council of Shinawatra University, set up by Thaksin in 1996. So no surprise he's toting the Thaksin line.

Source:

http://www.shinawatra.ac.th/about/Committee/uc.html

Posted
"The effects on Thailand's tourism industry are set to be 'mammoth', with up to one million Thais facing losing their jobs and the number of visitors from abroad falling by half next year, Olarn Chaiprawat said." (this is in the straits times)

Olarn Chaipravat is on the University Council of Shinawatra University, set up by Thaksin in 1996. So no surprise he's toting the Thaksin line.

Wow that's interesting ... very incestuous ... also shows you how the media is often biased. In any case the effects will be severe. I think 1 million may be over the top but if the airport is closed for an extended period I think it will be accurate for job losses over all because so many businesses (not just tourism) depend on air links to the outside world.

Posted

Of course there is no vote buying in PAD. The act of voting itself by peasants is seen as vulgar by PAD right-wing elitists. People should do as they are told to do by military authority, according to PAD rhetoric. If the populace would submit, the PAD terrorism would slowly abate.

Posted
buy votes is worse.....no vote buying no PAD

Commiting an act of terrorism against tourists and destroying Thailand and its reputation by a group of vigilanties is much worse and can only be condoned by radicals that believe in terrorists and their motives. The vote buying is being decided by the court and will be resolved by legal means set fourth by the laws of Thailand and should not be influenced by terrorists.

Posted
Wow that's interesting ... very incestuous ... also shows you how the media is often biased.

Yeah. But I doubt the bias is intentional on the part of New Straights Times, they probably don't even know his close relations to Thaksin. Thaksin has an extremely efficient media machine in the foreign language press. The PAD simply do not have the media sophistication to do this in a similar manner. They barely speak English, and can't do anything more than release the occasional announcement attempting to explain themselves.

Posted
Having a government comprised of criminal cabals is worse. I think the PAD protesters have said they will accept the consequences of their actions. The criminally inept government and it "Dear Leader", never has.

What will be really interesting to see is if the government actually stands down when the court orders them dissolved on Tuesday. :o

Posted
Having a government comprised of criminal cabals is worse. I think the PAD protesters have said they will accept the consequences of their actions. The criminally inept government and it "Dear Leader", never has.

What will be really interesting to see is if the government actually stands down when the court orders them dissolved on Tuesday. :o

I guess it will depend on whether or not they think they have the headcount to win in a new election under another party banner. I have my doubts about that. King speaks a couple days later. That might give some breathing room.

Yeah, it's a clusterfuc_k.

Posted

since all this started i notice a FEw user really new and come as supportor od PAD .

their in their early 100 post .

so i do not give them much credit and most of their comment is only a block side PAD is good .

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PAD is not as rightous as PAD had claim - In fact from what i see. There are even MORE LOW and DIRTY then the existing GOV .

look at their Tactic ,

Human SHIELD , HOSTAGE of the airport , Hom emad BOMB , HIT SQUARD . GUN MAN , fire , Destorying public peace and order , STEALING cars , destorying Airport Cart and cars ,

This is far most a good deal of damage which i can you you for sure ,, PAD is not going to PAY a single cent .

all there do is create problem and hope someone can solve it .

and all is finger pointing .

what a branch of weak , unless Group . which in my view should all be arrested or taken out .

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