New World Order Will Emerge In 2009, With U.s. Plunging

[midas]

They need money in order to start spending and at this point many have no money and the banks aren't loaning, unless you can prove you don't need it.

Giving more money to the banks is not providing the average person any more money to spend.

Makes your head spin doesn't it? Does mine

They give the money to banks to relieve supposed toxic debt & to *loan* to us. But isnt that the money we just loaned them? Will we not be asked to pay for that later with taxes? The same taxes that gave that fiat currency any power at all.

But the money went on bonuses and to other reciptients

that no one can determine........quite amazing

[miksguevara]

Isn't Germany the biggest exporter in the World?

[humbug]

below is an excerpt from a very provocative point of view, you may or may not agree with any of it, but its certainly an interesting read about a new world order and for others it may be a good laugh!!!

“A new Economic Security Council (ESC) would replace the existing Economic and Social Council. The new ESC would consist of no more than 23 members who would have responsibility for all international financial and development activities. The IMF, the World Bank, and the WTO—virtually all finance and development activities—would be under the authority of this body. There would be no veto power by any nation. (Italics CFP’s). Nor would there be permanent member status for any nation.”

http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentar...22_20081124105/

[samuibeachcomber]

sure i buy into this scenario...........one world govt.massive unemployment,followed by famine followed by each nations population being controlled by the military to keep the people in check.

enjoy while you can...."your either with us or against us" sound familiar.if you want food and shelter you will have to join them(alex lah touched on this in another thread.

[JimsKnight]

It may be coming, it may not be, nothings set in stone folks.

It does seem to be that the world leaders want everyone under one roof these days. Scary prospect if they manage it that's for sure!

Asia will probably be one of the few places a NWO won't affect (that much).

[ozzieovaseas]

Every so often in the history of international affairs, a great transnational turbulence shakes the foundations of the world and brings many of its older structures tumbling to the ground, as we witnessed in 1919, 1945 and 1989. In the confusion and babble that follow, it's difficult to see through the dust and recognize the shape of the altered strategic landscape.

Peering through the wreckage of the past year's financial crisis, it seems clear that every nation was a loser in 2008. The world's developed economies have taken a heavy beating, whether measured by their collapsing industrial production, tumbling exports, surging unemployment, frozen credit markets or the near- paralysis of maritime trade.

Yet we also hear cries of distress across the globe. Vladimir Putin's proud Russia is reeling toward internal collapse. China is sending factory workers home to the countryside. The International Monetary Fund is trying to rescue Iceland and Ukraine from economic oblivion. Brazil's currency is plummeting against the U.S. dollar. And the brief honeymoon for commodity-exporting African countries is over. Which national economy didn't take a blow to the head in this annus horribilus?

When the dust settles, will we see all countries equally battered, like the streets of Dresden after the Allied bombings in February 1945? Will every power simply have taken several steps backwards, so that the "order of things" that existed in January 2008 will be the same in december 2009? I doubt it?

In the midst of general turmoil, there are always relative winners and losers. Those who are likely to lose most in the coming year will include Russia, Venezuela and Iran (too dependent on oil), most of Africa and Latin America (too tied to commodities), and Japan, Taiwan and South Korea (too wedded to exports, shipping, electronics).

By contrast, and unless it falls into the trap of a Pakistan war, India will advance; none of its banks (so far) are on the Bear Stearns Cos. track. China will take hits, but that probably means an increase in economic growth of 5 percent or 6 percent, deriving more from domestic development, and less from cheap exports.

Europe's prospects for 2009 are mixed, which is simply another way of saying that here, too, there will be relative winners and losers. Norway will ride the storm on its still-massive currency reserve and the rest of Scandinavia has strength in depth -- unlike the less competitive economies of East and Central Europe. Germany's combination of ultra-high-quality production, superb infrastructure and financial caution (few Germans use credit cards: Americans, take note!) give it strengths that are lacking in the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Greece and other European countries that fell for easy credit and large government deficits. Prussian fiscal rectitude will keep the euro high, and compound the dollar's weaknesses.

The biggest question concerns the United States. My instinct tells me it will lose ground in 2009. I simply don't see how the Treasury can print $1 trillion to cover deficit spending, offer those bills at very low interest rates, and expect foreigners (not Americans, because we don't have the savings) to buy them, persuading the world to keep afloat its greatest debtor since Phillip II of Spain. Why should sensible Chinese investors do that when they can buy Swiss bonds, gold, or Scottish real estate? Yet if Asians decline to buy tens of billions of Treasuries each month in 2009, U.S. interest rates will have to go up again.

So: India up, China up, Germany up (all relatively). The developing world down, Russia down, most of Europe and Japan down, and President Barack Obama's America down and down.

The more i think about the catastrophic state of world affairs,global economies going bust,rising bankruptcies and disasterous personal debt, the more i wonder just who is actually hurting the most.

The countries who have been hopelessely poor in past will remain hoplessly poor long into the future,regardless of the price of oil,gold and the state of stockmarkets.

Has anyone noticed how citizens of some countries can live in conditions bordering on poverty,yet they still feel the need to have the mod cons,fancy label clothing and drive their brand new Mazda3's into a house and carport that both look a bees fart away from falling in?

Who's fault is it that these people work there <deleted> off for pittance and struggle to put food on the table because they feel their whole lifes worth is based on trying to keep up with westerners? and for what?..to save face and look good?

More interestingly,to whom is this pittance going to at the end of the day? and who gains from it?

The middle class who are better educated with better jobs may have a slightly better quality of life but this is only due to the fact that they are somewhat humble and live within their means...But guess who will be the first to get shafted when the rich bosses and greedy corporations dont achieve their huge projected profits?...and when the CEO's have to find new ways of justifiying their self awarded 8 figure salaries.

This may be a childish analogy but as a kid i remember playing monopoly with my younger siblings.The more properties and hotels you had gave you the best chance to make more money and bankrupt all the other players,which is of course, the ultimate goal of the game (I remember this well as i was a ruthless little bastard and usually won 9 out of ten games)

BUT i realized that when i took everyones money the game would be over SO, if i wanted to keep the game going a little longer i had to give some of the money back..then i could go on having fun bankrupting them again and again.

As we all know there is no such worry in the real world..we want to wrap up the game as soon as possible.

I guess you can always give a bundle of money to your mates in the finance industry, maybe they can spend it on some new technology that will cut through stone to get to all that precious blood inside.

Anyway my point is that there must come a time when the rich and greedy (the same 10 percent of the population that controls 80 percent of world wealth) have sucked the system so dry that theres not enough people with enough money left left to buy the constant flow of crap they keep spewing out and forcing down our throats in order to keep their slimy bottomless pockets full....so they cry poor and tell us how things are so bad and everyone is broke...(mind you they dont tell us that their definition of broke is when their accountant wont let them trade-in the ferrari this year and buy the annual new beach house and boat).

So then Mr Joe Blow down the road, who used to happily spend most of his $500 per week on assorted products he didnt really need, hears about this poor bugger whos got the arse out of his pants with his last 2 bob falling out holes in the pockets and thinks "oh crap i hear these poor people are doing it so tough, i better keep what few bucks i have left for when the shit really hits the fan"

So then poor mister fatcat loses the last few bob that he could have tossed into the fountain at a casino in monaco.

I sometimes think the ones who are screaming the loudest are the rich,fat,greedy bastards who have been exploiting the earth and everyone in it for to long..at least i can only hope so anyway.

[sadman]

I want to know what happened in 1989????

Wasn't 1989 when Japan went into recession and their stock market crashed? I guess that would have been in the aftermath of the near-collapse of the Tiger economies.

[BEENTHEREDONETHAT]

They need money in order to start spending and at this point many have no money and the banks aren't loaning, unless you can prove you don't need it.

Giving more money to the banks is not providing the average person any more money to spend.

Makes your head spin doesn't it? Does mine

They give the money to banks to relieve supposed toxic debt & to *loan* to us. But isnt that the money we just loaned them? Will we not be asked to pay for that later with taxes? The same taxes that gave that fiat currency any power at all.

But the money went on bonuses and to other reciptients

that no one can determine........quite amazing

They (don't remember who they were) said that citibank spent 10billion of the bailout $$ to buy a freight line in Spain. Now how that was suppose to help the US is beyond me, that was right after they got their second bailout for 20Billion.

Don't think the new bailout will be anymore effective than the first 800billion.

[AlexLah]

Don't forget Citi now also have some nice tollraods in Spain.

And all payed by the taxpayer.

Haaa haaa haaaaaaa

[Naam]

I want to know what happened in 1989????

1. Wasn't 1989 when Japan went into recession and their stock market crashed?

2. I guess that would have been in the aftermath of the near-collapse of the Tiger economies.

1. yes

2. that happened in 1997

[henryalleman]

At the end of the 6 months chairmanship of the EU, President Sarkozy stated it very clearly. Europe will losing the economic battle if they will not unite themselves even more than in the past.

Traditionally Europe and the US invested in Asia, now its the other way around.

The economic power is swifting to the new economic tigers of the East. China, India, Korea and other countries of the pacific rim.. Acelor Mittal (India owned) metal is now already the biggest steal producer in the world, they bought up almost the complete EU steal industry. Before the financial crisis broke out China was planning to build an car factory in Bulgaria. Singapore is the virtual owner of the second biggest European port. Brazil is one of the most fast growing economies of the world.

Every year 200 000 IT engineers graduate in India, many Western Bank IT is already processed in India. The same go's for Airlines. Indian Call centers expanding unbelievable. They even training people to talk with the different American accents, So next time you get a call from your bank, maybe the Joe with an Texan accent on the telephone is in reality Singh from Mombai.

China has the biggest US$ reserves in the world about 1,3 trillion $ US. Saudi Arabia about 250 Billion $US. can you imagine the power this give them. The biggest bank in the world has major Arab stock holders the same go's for merrill Lynch and other US financial institutes. The Japanese and the Chinese are also the biggest holders of US governments loans.

If they play hard ball the US is bankrupt in a few day's. Maybe the only reason hold them back is because they will be hurt by it also. And don't forget the Financial center of Hong Kong the channel that China use.

China have huge investments in the EU also. They are buying up Africa, they don't care about dictators and human rights abuse. Everybody knows they block an solution for Darfour in the UN security council. In fact they are already so powerful that they become untouchable, not any country in the world dare to go against them. And all of this power they get without shooting 1 bullet.

We like it or not, or denying it or not, the economic power is swifting away from the West; And there is not much we can do about. just look the demographic figures, the medium age in these countries is far more lower than in the West, and their education system is catching up rapidly.

Regarding all of this, do you still find it strange that the new Thai government try to attract Chinese and other Asia tourists. Do you still think that a few ten thousands expats and retirees are that important for Thailand in the next 20 or 30 years. Maybe in their eyes we are a just bunch of self righteous upstarts who are only problem makers with their demands for special favours.

[Khun Jean]

China has the biggest US$ reserves in the world about 1,3 trillion $ US. Saudi Arabia about 250 Billion $US. can you imagine the power this give them. The biggest bank in the world has major Arab stock holders the same go's for merrill Lynch and other US financial institutes. The Japanese and the Chinese are also the biggest holders of US governments loans.

If they play hard ball the US is bankrupt in a few day's. Maybe the only reason hold them back is because they will be hurt by it also. And don't forget the Financial center of Hong Kong the channel that China use.

If the US plays hardball, and they are doing that at the moment, China could end up with a 1.3 trillion US$ that can buy them 1 tanker full of oil. Saudi Arabia with 250 Billion can buy a crate of CocaCola. They are both not in charge of their own currency as their reserves are in another. Who controls the US$ controls them both and can make them bankrupt in a blink of an eye. They will 'behave', as their armies are not strong enough anyway.

[britmaveric]

^ Excellent Analysis Khun Jean - least someone understands that yanks are far from backed in a corner.

[AlexLah]

Do you really think that the Chinese have a warehouse full of paper dollars worth a few trillion?

They do not.

They have a piece of paper that state some zero's and ones.

[henryalleman]

China has the biggest US$ reserves in the world about 1,3 trillion $ US. Saudi Arabia about 250 Billion $US. can you imagine the power this give them. The biggest bank in the world has major Arab stock holders the same go's for merrill Lynch and other US financial institutes. The Japanese and the Chinese are also the biggest holders of US governments loans.

If they play hard ball the US is bankrupt in a few day's. Maybe the only reason hold them back is because they will be hurt by it also. And don't forget the Financial center of Hong Kong the channel that China use.

If the US plays hardball, and they are doing that at the moment, China could end up with a 1.3 trillion US$ that can buy them 1 tanker full of oil. Saudi Arabia with 250 Billion can buy a crate of CocaCola. They are both not in charge of their own currency as their reserves are in another. Who controls the US$ controls them both and can make them bankrupt in a blink of an eye. They will 'behave', as their armies are not strong enough anyway.

IMHO such arrogance can only come from ignorance.

[henryalleman]

^ Excellent Analysis Khun Jean - least someone understands that yanks are far from backed in a corner.

the referee counted to 8 already but the yanks are too punch drunk to hear it.

[britmaveric]

And the Chinese are out cold on the floor - complete knockout!

[Naam]

China has the biggest US$ reserves in the world about 1,3 trillion $ US. Saudi Arabia about 250 Billion $US. can you imagine the power this give them. The biggest bank in the world has major Arab stock holders the same go's for merrill Lynch and other US financial institutes. The Japanese and the Chinese are also the biggest holders of US governments loans.

If they play hard ball the US is bankrupt in a few day's. Maybe the only reason hold them back is because they will be hurt by it also. And don't forget the Financial center of Hong Kong the channel that China use.

If the US plays hardball, and they are doing that at the moment, China could end up with a 1.3 trillion US$ that can buy them 1 tanker full of oil. Saudi Arabia with 250 Billion can buy a crate of CocaCola. They are both not in charge of their own currency as their reserves are in another. Who controls the US$ controls them both and can make them bankrupt in a blink of an eye. They will 'behave', as their armies are not strong enough anyway.

IMHO such arrogance can only come from ignorance.

seconded! people who think that "armies" still count nowadays are living in the past and neglect the facts presented by Viet Nam,. Afghanistan and Iraq. what counts today is the threat of intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with nuclear warheads. there are rumours that China has some of those

[Khun Jean]

Yeah rumours, but who has them, used them before and has lots of them.

[Naam]

Yeah rumours, but who has them, used them before and has lots of them.

don't tell me that you deny that China has nuclear weapons and the capability to deliver them with ICBM and that since decades "lots" of nuclear weapons does not mean anything. a few dozen, each a few megatons, is enough a deterrent as the "star wars" defence system was and still is science fiction.

[Naam]

And the Chinese are out cold on the floor - complete knockout...

...pigs will grow wings and fly, chicken will lay sirloin steaks, the Pope will convert to Islam, become a Mullah and move to Mecca al-Muharram and Saudi Arabia will become a net exporter of booze when the crude reserves are exhausted

[britmaveric]

Population of China is their undoing - just have to wait.

[meom]

And the Chinese are out cold on the floor - complete knockout...

...pigs will grow wings and fly, chicken will lay sirloin steaks, the Pope will convert to Islam, become a Mullah and move to Mecca al-Muharram and Saudi Arabia will become a net exporter of booze when the crude reserves are exhausted

Some Saudies definitely could do with a drink after Sabic announced a 4th quarter drop in profits of 95%.

[humbug]

sure i buy into this scenario...........one world govt.massive unemployment,followed by famine followed by each nations population being controlled by the military to keep the people in check.

enjoy while you can...."your either with us or against us" sound familiar.if you want food and shelter you will have to join them(alex lah touched on this in another thread.

this link expects 2009 to be the year of a new age of rebellion with riots occuring throughout the world

http://www.infowars.com/?p=7273

[samuibeachcomber]

sure i buy into this scenario...........one world govt.massive unemployment,followed by famine followed by each nations population being controlled by the military to keep the people in check.

enjoy while you can...."your either with us or against us" sound familiar.if you want food and shelter you will have to join them(alex lah touched on this in another thread.

this link expects 2009 to be the year of a new age of rebellion with riots occuring throughout the world

http://www.infowars.com/?p=7273

like the article said people are becoming aware that something is radically wrong...........

[AlexLah]

Like I said there is a plan.

In the other thread I try to show you what kind of peeps we are facing.

You have to ask yourself, are you prepared to give your life fighting, or will you let them slaughter you without resisting?

Those of you that think this will never happen have to wake up and switch on that lightbulb in your head.

Look around you and see what is already happening. And I tell you they have no problem with killing a few hundred Million.

[flying]

this link expects 2009 to be the year of a new age of rebellion with riots occuring throughout the world

http://www.infowars.com/?p=7273

That picture is in Iceland. They ( The authorities there ) are very lucky at how calm the people have been as they wait & wait. So far the have been pretty peaceful in their riots. Throwing eggs & such. Eventually that will change.

[Naam]

Like I said there is a plan.

In the other thread I try to show you what kind of peeps we are facing. You have to ask yourself, are you prepared to give your life fighting, or will you let them slaughter you without resisting? Those of you that think this will never happen have to wake up and switch on that lightbulb in your head. Look around you and see what is already happening. And I tell you they have no problem with killing a few hundred Million.

Alex is right. we had a similar situation on planet Klingon about a decade ago. unfortunately we didn't have a forum equivalent to Thaivisa nor a prophet to warn us in other threads. they caught us with our pants down when we were frolicking with our women folks (some slaves from other planets among them) , singing dirty songs and pouring blood wine galore down our throats when they started to slaughter millions indiscriminately. eventually our 101st Subterranean Division got to the battle field, charged and subdued them. but to the surprise of our commanding officer they presented an order from the Klingon High Council confirming that they were a pest control unit from neighbouring planet Conspiracy XI was supposed to rid our swamps free from mosquitos. needless to say that they were invited to join our frolicking after finishing their job provided they bring their own women. so it was suggested and so it was done and everybody was happily drunk ever after.