Bangyai Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Army Not Greedy Like Politicians : According to the former chief of the CNS, General Somjet Boonthanom, the army will never be hungry for money like politicians . He rejected an accusation that certain army officials had demanded 5 billion baht from Thaksin in exchange for his freedom. http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...ike-politicians He further added : The army has no need to spend a lot of money like politicians do to gain power. Well he got the last bit right but I'm not sure about the first part. Over the last three years the military budget has increased from 85 billion baht to 167 billion baht. The budget for internal security has also soared from 77 billion to 114 billion. No other segments of the budget have grown in the same way and most have been lowered to finance this growth in military spending ?? Not greedy General ??? And now they are pressing their proxy govournment for more cash for more toys including a submarine ?? Is there a war on or something ? I guess they need the sub to defend Khao Phra Viharn And in all this procurment of unneccesary hardware will there be any kickbacks ?? No. Emphatically NO !! Why ?? Because the army doesn't need money to gain power. The General said so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 No other areas of the budget were cut so much in the preceding years. Take a look at the numbers for other countries in the region. (seems the other guy harping on this just disappeared and now you are here with the same rant?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangyai Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 No other areas of the budget were cut so much in the preceding years.Take a look at the numbers for other countries in the region. (seems the other guy harping on this just disappeared and now you are here with the same rant?) LOL JD ....wow, now you're a military apologist.?? So basically you think that in these times of economic pressure what Thailand really needs to do is increase its military spending ?? This despite the fact that the govournment has just had to borrow money from Japan ? Wouldn't you call that bad timing ? Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us on who you think Thailand will be going to war with any time soon . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 No other areas of the budget were cut so much in the preceding years.Take a look at the numbers for other countries in the region. (seems the other guy harping on this just disappeared and now you are here with the same rant?) LOL JD ....wow, now you're a military apologist.?? So basically you think that in these times of economic pressure what Thailand really needs to do is increase its military spending ?? This despite the fact that the govournment has just had to borrow money from Japan ? Wouldn't you call that bad timing ? Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us on who you think Thailand will be going to war with any time soon . Read what I wrote, please War? Do you want to be underequipped if/when violence breaks out? Who? There have been issues on more than one border ... Then there is always the domestic security angle with the reds, the yellows, the south, the commies But simply ... take a look at the numbers for other countries in the region ... and what Thailand's numbers were during Thaksin's reign of terror. Keeping the military operational is vital in this part of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangyai Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 No other areas of the budget were cut so much in the preceding years.Take a look at the numbers for other countries in the region. (seems the other guy harping on this just disappeared and now you are here with the same rant?) LOL JD ....wow, now you're a military apologist.?? So basically you think that in these times of economic pressure what Thailand really needs to do is increase its military spending ?? This despite the fact that the govournment has just had to borrow money from Japan ? Wouldn't you call that bad timing ? Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us on who you think Thailand will be going to war with any time soon . Read what I wrote, please War? Do you want to be underequipped if/when violence breaks out? Who? There have been issues on more than one border ... Then there is always the domestic security angle with the reds, the yellows, the south, the commies But simply ... take a look at the numbers for other countries in the region ... and what Thailand's numbers were during Thaksin's reign of terror. Keeping the military operational is vital in this part of the world. JD..... as you know, military spending declined under parlimentry rule. The civilian govournments cut its budget. Why ??? Because it was the right thing to do, the sensible thing to do , the obvious thing to do. Why ? Because apart from a token force sent to Vietnam and a minor scuffle with Laos ( Rom Glao border incident ) , Thailand has not been involved in any major conflict at all since its last war with Burma. Internally, there is no more communist threat. The border incidents are the result of political manouevering and besides , Thailand already has sufficient equipment to deal with these small scale jostlings. As for Thailand being attacked by a neighboring country, who will also be a member of ASEAN, in the foreseeable future...unlikely to the point of absurdity. Since the 2006 coup, the military has already had its budget hiked up and has presumably spent the money on military hardware ( not withstanding the Air Force Chiefs two new mansions ). Now, in this article, General Somjet freely admits that the military does not need a lot of money to gain power. That being the case, why are they pressurising Aphisits govournment into coughing up yet more cash at a time when Thailand, like everyone else, is facing a serious economic downturn. And yet the good General says they are not greedy. Surely you will have to admit the obvious contradiction in saying they don't need money but asking for it anyway ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 You seem to be skipping over the "other countries" issues etc .... Bangyai/frank Your final statement is just silly though .... totally misrepresenting the issues at hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 The bickering that has occurred already, along with the further bickering that is inevitable suggests to me that this thread should be moved to the bickering (news clippings) section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangyai Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 You seem to be skipping over the "other countries" issues etc .... Bangyai/frankYour final statement is just silly though .... totally misrepresenting the issues at hand! Sadly it is you who are being silly and skipping over the reality of what is happening here JD. The military already have a large enough budget to cope with such security issues as they have, Burmese refugees etc. They have 167 billion baht already. That is more than Thailands immediate neighbors, Cambodia ,Laos etc are spending. They do not need more, they merely want more. Do you sincerely believe that right now, with all of Thailands other issues , the military are justified in putting an extra strain on the countrys economy ? Yes or no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Well, at least a new submarine would be useful, then they could tow refugees out to sea without being seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickA Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 But they need a new submarine to safeguard their aircraft carrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave9988 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 jdnasia is clearly delussional and emotionally attached. he cant see up from down. he just knows he picked a side and will defend it no matter what. its sad, but comical at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayjayjay Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) You seem to be skipping over the "other countries" issues etc .... Bangyai/frankYour final statement is just silly though .... totally misrepresenting the issues at hand! Sadly it is you who are being silly and skipping over the reality of what is happening here JD. The military already have a large enough budget to cope with such security issues as they have, Burmese refugees etc. They have 167 billion baht already. That is more than Thailands immediate neighbors, Cambodia ,Laos etc are spending. They do not need more, they merely want more. Do you sincerely believe that right now, with all of Thailands other issues , the military are justified in putting an extra strain on the countrys economy ? Yes or no ? These are some back-of-the-envelope calculations using World Bank, CIA Gov Library, CIA World Facebook and International Monetary Fund numbers: What they represent is the budget for military spending, as a percentage of averaged GDP. Country average GDP millionUSD / military spending million USD = % United States avGDP 13,982,940 m USD / 713,100 m USD = 5% Japan avGDP 4,534,093 m USD / 48,930 m USD = 1.07% Thailand avGDP 254,423 m USD / 5,000 m USD = 2.96% Singapore avGDP 171,832 m USD / 7,600 m USD = 4.42% Malaysia avGDP 194,044 m USD / 1,690 m USD = 0.8% Laos avGDP 4,407 m USD / 11 m USD = 0.2% Cambodia avGDP 9,379 m USD / 112 m USD = 1.2% Vietnam avGDP 77,679 m USD / 3200 m USD = 4.1% Now if we take look at these figures you can read in your own, JDasia will obviously justify close to 3% as being totally justified. I believe it to be total waste. You dont have 25 guards outside a KFC, it doesnt sell more chicken popcorn knuckles. The fact is Laos, Cambodia, Burma and Vietnam do not have big brother protection of United States so they are irrelivant. Even so, Vietnam is the only possibe threat to Thailand, and that aint ever going to happen. Vietnam's 4% is also what is used to run most of the communist government. That's exactly what we dont want in Thailand BUT are getting by default! No matter how you try and justify it, Thailand is not and should not consider itself a military force, but utilise it's strenght of relationship with trading partners. Thaksin understood this and was moving the budget allocation to benefit the people, not with a dangerously weak Thailand, but with a strengthened economy that would benefit every single Thai. To spend 3% on military spending when your closest neighbours spend 0.8%, 1.2% and 0.2% is uttter utter utterly F8888888cking stupid! Edited February 17, 2009 by jayjayjayjay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 You seem to be skipping over the "other countries" issues etc .... Bangyai/frankYour final statement is just silly though .... totally misrepresenting the issues at hand! Sadly it is you who are being silly and skipping over the reality of what is happening here JD. The military already have a large enough budget to cope with such security issues as they have, Burmese refugees etc. They have 167 billion baht already. That is more than Thailands immediate neighbors, Cambodia ,Laos etc are spending. They do not need more, they merely want more. Do you sincerely believe that right now, with all of Thailands other issues , the military are justified in putting an extra strain on the countrys economy ? Yes or no ? These are some back-of-the-envelope calculations using World Bank, CIA Gov Library, CIA World Facebook and International Monetary Fund numbers: What they represent is the budget for military spending, as a percentage of averaged GDP. Country average GDP millionUSD / military spending million USD = % United States avGDP 13,982,940 m USD / 713,100 m USD = 5% Japan avGDP 4,534,093 m USD / 48,930 m USD = 1.07% Thailand avGDP 254,423 m USD / 5,000 m USD = 2.96% Singapore avGDP 171,832 m USD / 7,600 m USD = 4.42% Malaysia avGDP 194,044 m USD / 1,690 m USD = 0.8% Laos avGDP 4,407 m USD / 11 m USD = 0.2% Cambodia avGDP 9,379 m USD / 112 m USD = 1.2% Vietnam avGDP 77,679 m USD / 3200 m USD = 4.1% Now if we take look at these figures you can read in your own, JDasia will obviously justify close to 3% as being totally justified. I believe it to be total waste. You dont have 25 guards outside a KFC, it doesnt sell more chicken popcorn knuckles. The fact is Laos, Cambodia, Burma and Vietnam do not have big brother protection of United States so they are irrelivant. Even so, Vietnam is the only possibe threat to Thailand, and that aint ever going to happen. Vietnam's 4% is also what is used to run most of the communist government. That's exactly what we dont want in Thailand BUT are getting by default! No matter how you try and justify it, Thailand is not and should not consider itself a military force, but utilise it's strenght of relationship with trading partners. Thaksin understood this and was moving the budget allocation to benefit the people, not with a dangerously weak Thailand, but with a strengthened economy that would benefit every single Thai. To spend 3% on military spending when your closest neighbours spend 0.8%, 1.2% and 0.2% is uttter utter utterly F8888888cking stupid! You seem to have missed that there were YEARS where the military budget in Thailand was WAY lower. oooops crap that would suggest that a higher budget for a few years is making up for a lack of adequate funding in the prior years! Your comments re: vietnam are inaccurate because the numbers do NOT include 'what is used to run the rest of the government'. Your comments about "big brother USA" are just insane! I suggest you look at the relationship between the US and Thailand over the last decade particularly after the last coup! Your comments regarding the closest neighbors do not take into account the internal security issues that Myanmar has that create border issues in Thailand. (Hence the refugee camps). The numbers also do not appear to take into account the border issues with Cambodia OR the issues in Songkhla, Yala, Pattani, and Narathiwat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHarries Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Although the money is excessive for a country like Thailand what is more stupid is the hardware it is being spent on. They have an aircraft carrier (old news I know but.....) they don't need, nor can afford to run. Maybe Hugo Chavez would be interested in buying it. They're buying new (ish) fighter jets they don't need. They're looking at buying a submarine they will never need, nor will be able to support. What Thailand needs, IMO, is:- A forest ranger style army capable of fighting minor border skirmishes and counter insurgency operations. A few attack helicopters plus some troop transports. A small navy equipped with fast patrol boats and perhaps two or three corvettes. A force of marines capable of mounting limited seaborne assaults. A small airforce equipped with multi role basic trainer/strike aircraft. Larger transport aircraft to deal with regional disaster relief operations. Maybe a national guard style of force to deal with any major civil unrest. Unfortunately this would mean a few dozen major generals, admirals, air vice marshals etc etc would be out of a job. But the current government is in power because of the military and now those said uniformed gentlemen have presented their invoice payable nett 30 days thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayjayjay Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 You seem to have missed that there were YEARS where the military budget in Thailand was WAY lower. oooopscrap that would suggest that a higher budget for a few years is making up for a lack of adequate funding in the prior years! Your comments re: vietnam are inaccurate because the numbers do NOT include 'what is used to run the rest of the government'. Your comments about "big brother USA" are just insane! I suggest you look at the relationship between the US and Thailand over the last decade particularly after the last coup! Your comments regarding the closest neighbors do not take into account the internal security issues that Myanmar has that create border issues in Thailand. (Hence the refugee camps). The numbers also do not appear to take into account the border issues with Cambodia OR the issues in Songkhla, Yala, Pattani, and Narathiwat. Ha ha ha ha your a joke in your own bedtime....... Where exactly is Prawet, coz you know nothing about Myanmar or border issues if you think the Burmese army are going to threaten Thailand soil in any serious manner, actually so stupid is the thought I really cant argue a point with you. I live in the north, travel the north, have business in each and every northern province. It aint going to happen in my lifetime mate! Cambodia, and yes I live there too, in Aranyapratet for 2 years, 1990-1, when the was a real threat, but the budget of the day managed to hand guarding the border without a submarine!!!!!! lol hahahahha alalall Oh god, I just cant see how you think. Get a brain if you think the threats that exist today are anything in comparison to 30 years ago. Border threat........ just bollicks! Ohhhh maybe 20 Thai troops on one side holding AK47's and another 20 Khmer at Preah whatever temple cost 5 billion dollars......... ahahaha hah ahahahhahahahahhhhhhhhhh oh, I just gotta get back up of the ground again. Yala, Narathiwat, Pattani................... internal braindead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayjayjay Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) Although the money is excessive for a country like Thailand what is more stupid is the hardware it is being spent on.They have an aircraft carrier (old news I know but.....) they don't need, nor can afford to run. Maybe Hugo Chavez would be interested in buying it. They're buying new (ish) fighter jets they don't need. They're looking at buying a submarine they will never need, nor will be able to support. What Thailand needs, IMO, is:- A forest ranger style army capable of fighting minor border skirmishes and counter insurgency operations. A few attack helicopters plus some troop transports. A small navy equipped with fast patrol boats and perhaps two or three corvettes. A force of marines capable of mounting limited seaborne assaults. A small airforce equipped with multi role basic trainer/strike aircraft. Larger transport aircraft to deal with regional disaster relief operations. Maybe a national guard style of force to deal with any major civil unrest. Unfortunately this would mean a few dozen major generals, admirals, air vice marshals etc etc would be out of a job. But the current government is in power because of the military and now those said uniformed gentlemen have presented their invoice payable nett 30 days thank you. Here here, to common sense and what Thailand does need, not the rot another is spewing up............... good post PhilH Edited February 17, 2009 by jayjayjayjay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 flame much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayjayjay Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) flame much? giving up, that's not like JD Edited February 17, 2009 by jayjayjayjay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 jayjayjayjay Nope ... you failed to address the issues brought up and just flamed away (showing a distinct lack of knowledge about your claimed area of expertise in doing so). Enjoy talking to yourself since you can't speak to the subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Thais could use the submarine to fight piracy and illegal trafficking. They need to replace their obsolete aircraft to keep up with the Joneses - Burma and Malaysia. They need to show force to Cambodia, they really need to project the right image there - Hun Sen is a very dangerous and greedy guy that needs to kept in place by force if necessary. Personal displays of wealth does not mean much these days - all the cars and mansions and even private jets are peanuts by modern standards. Really greedy people own companies the size of small countries. Thai generals are not in the same league, Somjet is correct here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) I don't think Abhisit has much choice in the matter. Military budgets were projected and formalised before the army-sponsored government stepped down. Military budgets in this part of the world invariably contain a significant amount of graft and are often spent on unnecessary materiel and ordnance. Each country's real needs are specific to its circumstances. Eg: the Indonesian army has a huge budget, but very little for what it most needs - transport for rapid deployment capability around the archipelago. For trafficking and smuggling, the Thai navy may find fast speed boats more useful than subs. The HK police has some amazingly powerful craft - because they have to be faster than the smugglers. Edited February 17, 2009 by Journalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave111223 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 The submarine will pay for itself once they travel to the center of the earth and retrieve Thaksins hidden stash of gold bullion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I don't see any need for a sub (and I think well equipped light attack helicopter are better than most jets in this part of the world .. BUT a few jets are probably needed.) Since nobody can predict when the Junta in Myanmar will do something stupid and start more issues with the militant/warlord run drug groups within their borders etc, who can blame Thailand for wanting to maintain a decent military? And considering the drops in the budget for YEARS during Thaksin's reign of terror it just makes sense to strengthen things up again for awhile. (note --- Thailand's budget is still lower than Singapore's and Vietnam's even while playing 'catch-up') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave111223 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) I don't see any need for a sub (and I think well equipped light attack helicopter are better than most jets in this part of the world .. BUT a few jets are probably needed.)Since nobody can predict when the Junta in Myanmar will do something stupid and start more issues with the militant/warlord run drug groups within their borders etc, who can blame Thailand for wanting to maintain a decent military? And considering the drops in the budget for YEARS during Thaksin's reign of terror it just makes sense to strengthen things up again for awhile. (note --- Thailand's budget is still lower than Singapore's and Vietnam's even while playing 'catch-up') Continual use of the phrase "Thaksin's reign of terror" only serves to portray you as a fanatic, with an extreme bias, detracting from any genuine point you may have to make. You may have disliked/hated Thaksin and his era, but it was hardly considered a "reign of terror" (such a term should terms should surely be reserved for dictators such as Stalin, Pol Pot, Hilter etc..) (Not to mention the fact that "the 'reign of terror' continually cut the military budget" is a big oxymoron) Edited February 17, 2009 by dave111223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I don't see any need for a sub (and I think well equipped light attack helicopter are better than most jets in this part of the world .. BUT a few jets are probably needed.)Since nobody can predict when the Junta in Myanmar will do something stupid and start more issues with the militant/warlord run drug groups within their borders etc, who can blame Thailand for wanting to maintain a decent military? And considering the drops in the budget for YEARS during Thaksin's reign of terror it just makes sense to strengthen things up again for awhile. (note --- Thailand's budget is still lower than Singapore's and Vietnam's even while playing 'catch-up') Continual use of the phrase "Thaksin's reign of terror" only serves to portray you as a fanatic, with an extreme bias, detracting from any genuine point you may have to make. You may have disliked/hated Thaksin and his era, but it was hardly considered a "reign of terror" (such a term should terms should surely be reserved for dictators such as Stalin, Pol Pot, Hilter etc..) (Not to mention the fact that "the 'reign of terror' continually cut the military budget" is a big oxymoron) Sorry to disagree ... But ask ANY critic of Thaksin during those days ... as being sued was almost a given Ask the thousands killed in his "war on drugs" Ask the people in the South Ask the Press etc etc You don't have to kill millions .. thousands easily equates to a reign of terror in my opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 On the basis that any major confrontation between Thailand and and of it's neighbours would quickly involve the US and China getting involved also, it is largely irrelevant how much any of them spend. They need to hold the fort to 2 or 3 days maximum in any major conflict until the big boys show up. Unless of course they really want to start a fight with Cambodia? Heaven forbid. Thailand would be much better pensioning off 90% of the admirals and buying what it needs for border skirmishes and high speed boat chases, and then spending the balance on education. Projecting power with an aircraft carrier in the dock with no planes is an embarrassment. Maybe they plan to pull the carrier out to sea with the submarine so that satellites think it is operational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave111223 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I don't see any need for a sub (and I think well equipped light attack helicopter are better than most jets in this part of the world .. BUT a few jets are probably needed.)Since nobody can predict when the Junta in Myanmar will do something stupid and start more issues with the militant/warlord run drug groups within their borders etc, who can blame Thailand for wanting to maintain a decent military? And considering the drops in the budget for YEARS during Thaksin's reign of terror it just makes sense to strengthen things up again for awhile. (note --- Thailand's budget is still lower than Singapore's and Vietnam's even while playing 'catch-up') Continual use of the phrase "Thaksin's reign of terror" only serves to portray you as a fanatic, with an extreme bias, detracting from any genuine point you may have to make. You may have disliked/hated Thaksin and his era, but it was hardly considered a "reign of terror" (such a term should terms should surely be reserved for dictators such as Stalin, Pol Pot, Hilter etc..) (Not to mention the fact that "the 'reign of terror' continually cut the military budget" is a big oxymoron) Sorry to disagree ... But ask ANY critic of Thaksin during those days ... as being sued was almost a given Ask the thousands killed in his "war on drugs" Ask the people in the South Ask the Press etc etc You don't have to kill millions .. thousands easily equates to a reign of terror in my opinion! You have only served to prove my point; this is why no one takes your arguments seriously. Someone being sued qualifies as your #1 point for a "reign of terror"?? I can imagine an old man sitting telling the story of the "reign of terror", about when he was a kid with all the family huddled in an attic just waiting for the subpoena to fall! Just waiting for that day when the dreaded knock on the door would come and the words "You've been served" would be uttered. You are a laughing stock mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I don't see any need for a sub (and I think well equipped light attack helicopter are better than most jets in this part of the world .. BUT a few jets are probably needed.)Since nobody can predict when the Junta in Myanmar will do something stupid and start more issues with the militant/warlord run drug groups within their borders etc, who can blame Thailand for wanting to maintain a decent military? And considering the drops in the budget for YEARS during Thaksin's reign of terror it just makes sense to strengthen things up again for awhile. (note --- Thailand's budget is still lower than Singapore's and Vietnam's even while playing 'catch-up') Continual use of the phrase "Thaksin's reign of terror" only serves to portray you as a fanatic, with an extreme bias, detracting from any genuine point you may have to make. You may have disliked/hated Thaksin and his era, but it was hardly considered a "reign of terror" (such a term should terms should surely be reserved for dictators such as Stalin, Pol Pot, Hilter etc..) (Not to mention the fact that "the 'reign of terror' continually cut the military budget" is a big oxymoron) Sorry to disagree ... But ask ANY critic of Thaksin during those days ... as being sued was almost a given Ask the thousands killed in his "war on drugs" Ask the people in the South Ask the Press etc etc You don't have to kill millions .. thousands easily equates to a reign of terror in my opinion! You have only served to prove my point; this is why no one takes your arguments seriously. Someone being sued qualifies as your #1 point for a "reign of terror"?? I can imagine an old man sitting telling the story of the "reign of terror", about when he was a kid with all the family huddled in an attic just waiting for the subpoena to fall! Just waiting for that day when the dreaded knock on the door would come and the words "You've been served" would be uttered. You are a laughing stock mate. No .. the laughing stock would be the guy that skips over 1000's murdered ... etc and yes constantly suing your opponents and the press ... is a form of terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave111223 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 No .. the laughing stock would be the guy that skips over 1000's murdered ... etc and yes constantly suing your opponents and the press ... is a form of terrorism. Ok by that logic once the death toll of Iraqis/Afghans/Pakistanis goes over 1000, starting from January 20st this year; we'll be into "Obama's Reign of Terror"? And we just finished "Bush's Reign of Terror" and "Gordan Brown's Reign of Terror", previously "Tony Blare's Reign of Terror"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 No .. the laughing stock would be the guy that skips over 1000's murdered ... etc and yes constantly suing your opponents and the press ... is a form of terrorism. Ok by that logic once the death toll of Iraqis/Afghans/Pakistanis goes over 1000, starting from January 20st this year; we'll be into "Obama's Reign of Terror"? And we just finished "Bush's Reign of Terror" and "Gordan Brown's Reign of Terror", previously "Tony Blare's Reign of Terror"? Again .. you are trying to divert attention from your guy Thaksin. But yes I think that much of the world (not only the Muslim world) would call Bush's time a reign of terror. However, we are discussing a Thai that did this to Thais and in Thailand. Your attempt to make this NOT about Thaksin is laughable or should I call it fanatical? But this thread is about the Army's budget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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