Journalist Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Does anyone else find the timing of this announcement suspect. Not at all. He is due to speak in Hong Kong on monday, and so the PM says to the Press that extradition may be sought. It is saying to him... "Just be careful what you say on that day" Typically, extradition requests are not initiated via the Press but by other channels. This is a warning shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GungaDin Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 May & considering are two key words here, so, it's a non-story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) Thanksin did more for Thailand than any other PM here. Don't believe the hype the new government has fed you. FEW WORDS BUT SMART.... HE WAS THE ONLY ONE ANYONE CAN REMEMBER AS A PM. Well other than: Chuan Leekpai (twice) Chavalit Yongchaiyudh Banharn Silpa-archa Anand Panyarachun (twice) Meechai Ruchuphan Suchinda Kraprayoon ( never forgotten) Chatichai Choonhavan Prem Tinsulanond (current Privy Council head) Sanya Thammasak Seni Pramoj (thrice) Kukrit Pramoj Thanom Kittikachorn Sarit Thanarat (twice) Pote Sarasin Plaek Pibulsongkram Phot Phahonyothin Phraya Manopakorn Nititada Nope, no one remembers anyone by Thaksin... Other than all the school books, and districts and streets named after them Edited February 27, 2009 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GungaDin Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 May & considering are two key words here, so, it's a non-story & a non-event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungy007 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I think that is the worst thing they can do. Get this piece of shit back here to spend a few months in a luxury cell (ha!) and then free to stir up all kinds of shit and whining about injustice. Thailand will fall into anarchy if this scumbag ever gets near the place. These words look like they are coming from a very disgruntled little man - think you might have been happy joining the yellow shirt mob on their path of destruction last year - you should stand up with Sonthi and scream foul - wonder why you not protest the fact that they are wanted by the law for treason, destuction of property etc, etc, etc, etc, - the reality is that Taksin had this country in better standing interntionally and a much better financial position and what it is now - and seems that the PM and his deputy cant even agree on the matter of trying to get him back here -- Not sure about Aussimike's size but he has every right to be disgruntled and so should everyone else. We're talking about bringing to book a monster - an instigator of how many thounsands of extra judicially killed Thais? Was it two thousand plus or five thousand plus? We'll never really know! What we do know is that Thaksin is a crime against humanity and it should never ever be forgotten! As for the comment that Thaksin put the country into better standing internationally I would have point out that his sterling reputation is why he is an honourary president of Man City football club! Oh, sorry, they stripped him of that for the shame that he bought to football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdrichard Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your perspective, the Thai government from the top down and a significant majority of common people both thai and farang and both long term inhabitants and visitors are corrupt in one form or another. Despite the lip service by the government about ending corruption, corrupt practices are socially acceptable because it makes the rich richer and the poor must worry about feeding themselves and their families therefore don't make the time to worry about the future beyond tomorrow. It is a "catch 22" situation and will remain so until Thailand and it's government become more transparent to the world. Most if not all third world countries experience this dilema as part of the growing process. Unfortunately, the common people of Thailand, who are mostly poor have little to no control or motivation to move Thailand forward to becoming a competitive country in the global economy. With no middle class to function as the political and social watchdog for Thailand, only prominent and influential names will change, nothing else. Thailand has always tried to grow itself internaly which is no longer viable in a global economy. PM Thaksin was a valuable asset toward moving Thailand forward to becoming competitive in a global economy. Not because he is above corruption but because he is a "limelight seeker". He does not need more money, although he will continue to grab it legally and/or illegally since the practice is a habit and even part of the fabric of Thai culture, but because more important to him is to have his name recognizable on a global level. This is the first step toward transparency. With more transparency comes closer scrutiny. With closer scrutiny comes internal change for the better or a fall into total oblivian. But, as long as Thaksin is the PM who seeks "limelight" the move for Thailand will be forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKK Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 About time ..... Thailand needs to get serious about imprisioning this crook .... If government and courts are proactive against corruption then it just might stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalminer Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I was there at a village and saw the votes paid for by red shirts,everytime,3 times ,,is that legal? I saw there at many villages around the world votes been buy. Nothing new. Even in the USA 'pork barreling" is a common thing. Name 1 country in the world where you can say with 100% certitude and swearing on your parents grave where the politicians are 100% clean and don't have personal interests. Where have you been living all these years? Under a rock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungy007 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Thanksin did more for Thailand than any other PM here. Don't believe the hype the new government has fed you. Oh really... what hype is that? As far as I know, the new government have been very careful not to point any fingers. Thaksin's criminal conviction had nothing to do with Abhisit or the Democrats. He brought it all on himself. He was greedy. I do know about some hype - namely the common knowledge rumours, which I absolutely believe, that were spinning around when he was in power: I think he is an evil little man with no sense of duty whatsoever. His attempts to make the poorer richer were actually a trap to make them poorer in the long term (which is why there are so many repossessed properties - especially in Udon Thani and surrounding areas - on the banks' Web sites) through overbearing amounts of credit. Much like the British system. (I am no fan of democracy by the way, especially in a country where the framework of democracy - metered corruption, reasonable education, reasonable spread of wealth - hasn't even been addressed. Hey, at least I'm honest.) Thaksin was without doubt a very clever PM and many of his policies were good ideas. But does that give him the right the rape the country? I think not. And now we have fools like Chalerm, Jatuporn from Kwarm Phid Wan-ni and, surprisingly, some clearly misinformed farangs on Thaivisa going on about how Abhisit wasn't democratically elected, how he's a puppet, how he's incompetent. Come on... the whole world is messed up, Thailand moreso because it has been politically screwed since the 2006 coup... what are you expecting, another property boom? What's more, what are these people complaining about? Thailand has a leader who is actually qualified to do the job - PPE at Oxford, plenty of experience as opposition leader - it's been a while since we've seen that! He does have his faults - like his age, which wouldn't matter outside Thailand - but I'd prefer him to a murdering, corrupt, lying, convicted megalomaniac anyday. The scary thing is I'd take the megalomaniac over morons like Samak, Somchai and Chalerm too. I still can't believe Chalerm is still in politics. Just goes to show the "Bangkok Elite" aren't all on one side as the BBC etc suggests. Pi Sek - hats off to you! Couldn't have put it better. This posting should be required reading by all on this topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chlear909 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Thanksin did more for Thailand than any other PM here. Don't believe the hype the new government has fed you. FEW WORDS BUT SMART.... HE WAS THE ONLY ONE ANYONE CAN REMEMBER AS A PM. Well other than: Chuan Leekpai (twice) Chavalit Yongchaiyudh Banharn Silpa-archa Anand Panyarachun (twice) Meechai Ruchuphan Suchinda Kraprayoon ( never forgotten) Chatichai Choonhavan Prem Tinsulanond (current Privy Council head) Sanya Thammasak Seni Pramoj (thrice) Kukrit Pramoj Thanom Kittikachorn Sarit Thanarat (twice) Pote Sarasin Plaek Pibulsongkram Phot Phahonyothin Phraya Manopakorn Nititada Nope, no one remembers anyone by Thaksin... Other than all the school books, and districts and streets named after them fantastic,thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungy007 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 At least he was elected twice (or is three times) by the people (legally) and not put up by puppet Generals. Fobuff SMART COMMENT... THIS COUNTRY NEED HIM OR SOMEONE LIKE HIM TO CLEAN THIS MESS What? He is the mess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Thanksin did more for Thailand than any other PM here. Don't believe the hype the new government has fed you. FEW WORDS BUT SMART.... HE WAS THE ONLY ONE ANYONE CAN REMEMBER AS A PM. Well other than: Chuan Leekpai (twice) Chavalit Yongchaiyudh Banharn Silpa-archa Anand Panyarachun (twice) Meechai Ruchuphan Suchinda Kraprayoon ( never forgotten) Chatichai Choonhavan Prem Tinsulanond (current Privy Council head) Sanya Thammasak Seni Pramoj (thrice) Kukrit Pramoj Thanom Kittikachorn Sarit Thanarat (twice) Pote Sarasin Plaek Pibulsongkram Phot Phahonyothin Phraya Manopakorn Nititada Nope, no one remembers anyone by Thaksin... Other than all the school books, and districts and streets named after them fantastic,thankyou Remembering them is not the same as copying and pasting a wikipedia list ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungy007 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 At last ! The man will soon be back to sort out this crippling economy.A victory to the Phua Thai party ! All the boys are rubbing their hands at the thought of "finally" getting that big pay day that they have been waiting for. Im so excited about this ! surprise when you get yer head outa the sand,hilarious Have to agree! Someone's in for a very rude and disappointing awakening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chlear909 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I was there at a village and saw the votes paid for by red shirts,everytime,3 times ,,is that legal? I saw there at many villages around the world votes been buy. Nothing new. Even in the USA 'pork barreling" is a common thing. Name 1 country in the world where you can say with 100% certitude and swearing on your parents grave where the politicians are 100% clean and don't have personal interests. Where have you been living all these years? Under a rock? whoops,you did it,more fun,prk bareln ended 20 years ago,bettr get bac under yer rock,cool,now you-theyre their own wost enemy great show,it unravles fast now and we can see you for what you are, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantbkk Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Does anyone else find the timing of this announcement suspect. The coup guys sent lawyers to England, nine of them, to work on Thaksin's extradition. As far as we know they are still there. Now the current prime minister and his PAD liaison, the foreign minister, are making similar noises which I would consider 'saber rattling' if the PM had ever served in the military. Because of the much delayed and venue changing 14th ASEAN summit the PM needs to make a statement declaring a strong position on the matter.Abhisit is simply a puppet for the military and without military support his government would collapse sooner rather than later this year. The PM has done nothing but streamline and rename populist giveaways from the deposed PM's government. On the plus side, the appointed PM does have great English language skills. Enjoy! ok ok taksin lovers and >>> do you raelize how ludicrus(sp) you are looking,,we are enjoying your weak show now,,keep it up,,hilarious and really sad ..sad cause my family will suffer ,they all will if you hav your criminal way of subverting truth,im onto you,and gettn stronger,lets tussle,soon enough,but in th end its for us to see how it is to be material and drop th love for th sake of gain You misunderstand. I am no Thaksin lover, just passing on the facts and my opinion as I see it. It could be categorized as a pragmatic observation. You are correct if you feel I have no love for the Democratic Party as it is presently constituted. Just give them some time and see what happens. It will be impossible for the Democrats to improve your and your families lot in life. You are not considered a victim by the Democrats but are only thought of as fodder to further their personal goals and interests. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chlear909 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Thanksin did more for Thailand than any other PM here. Don't believe the hype the new government has fed you. FEW WORDS BUT SMART.... HE WAS THE ONLY ONE ANYONE CAN REMEMBER AS A PM. Well other than: Chuan Leekpai (twice) Chavalit Yongchaiyudh Banharn Silpa-archa Anand Panyarachun (twice) Meechai Ruchuphan Suchinda Kraprayoon ( never forgotten) Chatichai Choonhavan Prem Tinsulanond (current Privy Council head) Sanya Thammasak Seni Pramoj (thrice) Kukrit Pramoj Thanom Kittikachorn Sarit Thanarat (twice) Pote Sarasin Plaek Pibulsongkram Phot Phahonyothin Phraya Manopakorn Nititada Nope, no one remembers anyone by Thaksin... Other than all the school books, and districts and streets named after them fantastic,thankyou Remembering them is not the same as copying and pasting a wikipedia list ! that is weak at best,better leave this to the varsity son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chlear909 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Thanksin did more for Thailand than any other PM here. Don't believe the hype the new government has fed you. FEW WORDS BUT SMART.... HE WAS THE ONLY ONE ANYONE CAN REMEMBER AS A PM. Well other than: Chuan Leekpai (twice) Chavalit Yongchaiyudh Banharn Silpa-archa Anand Panyarachun (twice) Meechai Ruchuphan Suchinda Kraprayoon ( never forgotten) Chatichai Choonhavan Prem Tinsulanond (current Privy Council head) Sanya Thammasak Seni Pramoj (thrice) Kukrit Pramoj Thanom Kittikachorn Sarit Thanarat (twice) Pote Sarasin Plaek Pibulsongkram Phot Phahonyothin Phraya Manopakorn Nititada Nope, no one remembers anyone by Thaksin... Other than all the school books, and districts and streets named after them fantastic,thankyou Remembering them is not the same as copying and pasting a wikipedia list ! that is weak at best,better leave this to the varsity son hey yellows,are we havn fun yet,,truth ends up fun,nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chlear909 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Does anyone else find the timing of this announcement suspect. The coup guys sent lawyers to England, nine of them, to work on Thaksin's extradition. As far as we know they are still there. Now the current prime minister and his PAD liaison, the foreign minister, are making similar noises which I would consider 'saber rattling' if the PM had ever served in the military. Because of the much delayed and venue changing 14th ASEAN summit the PM needs to make a statement declaring a strong position on the matter.Abhisit is simply a puppet for the military and without military support his government would collapse sooner rather than later this year. The PM has done nothing but streamline and rename populist giveaways from the deposed PM's government. On the plus side, the appointed PM does have great English language skills. Enjoy! ok ok taksin lovers and >>> do you raelize how ludicrus(sp) you are looking,,we are enjoying your weak show now,,keep it up,,hilarious and really sad ..sad cause my family will suffer ,they all will if you hav your criminal way of subverting truth,im onto you,and gettn stronger,lets tussle,soon enough,but in th end its for us to see how it is to be material and drop th love for th sake of gain You misunderstand. I am no Thaksin lover, just passing on the facts and my opinion as I see it. It could be categorized as a pragmatic observation. You are correct if you feel I have no love for the Democratic Party as it is presently constituted. Just give them some time and see what happens. It will be impossible for the Democrats to improve your and your families lot in life. You are not considered a victim by the Democrats but are only thought of as fodder to further their personal goals and interests. Good luck. i understand but in the scenario ,demo vs rep are moot,its about gangstas vs honest,term slingn will work,but not here now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Thanksin did more for Thailand than any other PM here. Don't believe the hype the new government has fed you. FEW WORDS BUT SMART.... HE WAS THE ONLY ONE ANYONE CAN REMEMBER AS A PM. Well other than: Chuan Leekpai (twice) Chavalit Yongchaiyudh Banharn Silpa-archa Anand Panyarachun (twice) Meechai Ruchuphan Suchinda Kraprayoon ( never forgotten) Chatichai Choonhavan Prem Tinsulanond (current Privy Council head) Sanya Thammasak Seni Pramoj (thrice) Kukrit Pramoj Thanom Kittikachorn Sarit Thanarat (twice) Pote Sarasin Plaek Pibulsongkram Phot Phahonyothin Phraya Manopakorn Nititada Nope, no one remembers anyone by Thaksin... Other than all the school books, and districts and streets named after them fantastic,thankyou Remembering them is not the same as copying and pasting a wikipedia list ! that is weak at best,better leave this to the varsity son I'm not debating with you, ...you sound ***flame removed*** Iggy list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chlear909 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Does anyone else find the timing of this announcement suspect. The coup guys sent lawyers to England, nine of them, to work on Thaksin's extradition. As far as we know they are still there. Now the current prime minister and his PAD liaison, the foreign minister, are making similar noises which I would consider 'saber rattling' if the PM had ever served in the military. Because of the much delayed and venue changing 14th ASEAN summit the PM needs to make a statement declaring a strong position on the matter.Abhisit is simply a puppet for the military and without military support his government would collapse sooner rather than later this year. The PM has done nothing but streamline and rename populist giveaways from the deposed PM's government. On the plus side, the appointed PM does have great English language skills. Enjoy! ok ok taksin lovers and >>> do you raelize how ludicrus(sp) you are looking,,we are enjoying your weak show now,,keep it up,,hilarious and really sad ..sad cause my family will suffer ,they all will if you hav your criminal way of subverting truth,im onto you,and gettn stronger,lets tussle,soon enough,but in th end its for us to see how it is to be material and drop th love for th sake of gain You misunderstand. I am no Thaksin lover, just passing on the facts and my opinion as I see it. It could be categorized as a pragmatic observation. You are correct if you feel I have no love for the Democratic Party as it is presently constituted. Just give them some time and see what happens. It will be impossible for the Democrats to improve your and your families lot in life. You are not considered a victim by the Democrats but are only thought of as fodder to further their personal goals and interests. Good luck. i understand but in the scenario ,demo vs rep are moot,its about gangstas vs honest,term slingn will work,but not here now and thankyou for really communicating there but now we are going to a new level,very nice,and about each of us and getting better ourselves,what a great school here on earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Thanksin did more for Thailand than any other PM here. Don't believe the hype the new government has fed you. FEW WORDS BUT SMART.... HE WAS THE ONLY ONE ANYONE CAN REMEMBER AS A PM. Well other than: Chuan Leekpai (twice) Chavalit Yongchaiyudh Banharn Silpa-archa Anand Panyarachun (twice) Meechai Ruchuphan Suchinda Kraprayoon ( never forgotten) Chatichai Choonhavan Prem Tinsulanond (current Privy Council head) Sanya Thammasak Seni Pramoj (thrice) Kukrit Pramoj Thanom Kittikachorn Sarit Thanarat (twice) Pote Sarasin Plaek Pibulsongkram Phot Phahonyothin Phraya Manopakorn Nititada Nope, no one remembers anyone by Thaksin... Other than all the school books, and districts and streets named after them fantastic,thankyou Remembering them is not the same as copying and pasting a wikipedia list ! So could YOU remember how to spell all their names properly?... Not I. So yes I did 'selectively' paste SOME names. The ones I have heard specifics on, read on, and know I have had conversations about with Thai friends. If you look at the names it is NOT a complete list, and thus cyphers and others are not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwan Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Everything is going against Thaksin. His money is disappearing fast. Thaksin's personal wealth is now down to around US$200 million, having lost badly in his investments amid the meltdown of the global financial markets. A chunk of his wealth is also frozen by the UK authorities.Recently, he flew to New Zealand to meet Banaphot Damapong, the step-brother of his ex-wife Pojaman Damapong. Thaksin told Banaphot to give him $500 million. Banaphot called Pojaman up. She relayed the message back that since she and Thaksin had already separated, Thaksin should not ask for any more money from her. Pojaman is now keeping her steely heart steady. The divorce is real. She has cut her ties to her former husband and no longer gets involved in politics. She hopes to win a tax evasion case against her and to continue to live a quiet life. I find this hysterically funny. Although the sums of money involved do not reach such astronomical heights as in this case, a lot of farangs will have a sense of deja vu. No doubt he now feels betrayed by his ex - nothing new there then. I have never thought that Thaksin was particularly bright and felt that 'she who does the ironing' was the brains (puppet mistress?) behind him. The female of a species is all too often deadlier than the male. Look where most of the money ended up; most of it with her and her family. Belatedly, she realised that there were lessons to be learnt from history i.e. eventually despots usually come to a sticky end, and she decided to get off the merry-go-round while she still could. Thaksin couldn't even read the writing on the wall and is now isolated in cloud cuckoo land. Given the probable financial status of the two parties and their expectations of the future, it is reasonable to suppose that the offspring of their union will stick close to Mummy's side, particularly if there is a scintilla of truth in the rumours of Thaksin's romantic waywardness. I remember Thaksin complaining that he was so busy running the country (read feathering his own nest), that he didn't have time to go home and give the unlovely Potjaman one - or several. The probable truth ex Dear Leader, is that she was screwing you all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chlear909 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 sometimes i think they should the name of this country toFANTASY ISLAND hey its true but thailand is the usa really,it all is now and we better know it for our future or else....the last 8 years show that an look what we got th last 6 months all of a sudden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalminer Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I was there at a village and saw the votes paid for by red shirts,everytime,3 times ,,is that legal? I saw there at many villages around the world votes been buy. Nothing new. Even in the USA 'pork barreling" is a common thing. Name 1 country in the world where you can say with 100% certitude and swearing on your parents grave where the politicians are 100% clean and don't have personal interests. Where have you been living all these years? Under a rock? whoops,you did it,more fun,prk bareln ended 20 years ago,bettr get bac under yer rock,cool,now you-theyre their own wost enemy great show,it unravles fast now and we can see you for what you are, No, you are making yourself ridiculous with that sentence. But you fail to see it for an obvious reason. "Pork barreling" may have ended 20 years ago, but it is still there. Only, now it is done in a more sophisticated way. Just like a Thai political party offering free condoms to everyone who vote for them. Do you really believe that any politician in the world is doing his job without trying to fill his own pockets? If you do, you are the most naive person I ever met. In my country, pork barreling happens every election and also months before the election. Visit some politician on the election list and ask him to get a government job, a loan which under normal circumstances would be impossible, or what ever and buy a membership for his political party. Anything you ask will be carried out depending on the money you want to donate to his political party. Thaksin might or might not be guilty for the crimes he supposed to have commited. But Absint and his croonies from the yellow T-shirts (PAD leaders) are not exactly angels who have never done something wrong. "He who has never done wrong, cast the first stone." It is to Absint to show that he is really meaning what he pretends to be and show to everybody in the world that he will start clean his own frontdoor by throwing all the PAD leaders in jail for holding an entire country ransom for almost 1 year. Untill that happens, he is nothing else than a suck puppet for the military in the eyes of many people. Do you see me for what I am? Not another naive person like you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) This a fight between with no pretensions to any form of honesty and those with that at least has improving honesty in government as one of their long term goals. Institutionalizing graft ongoing, and profiteering on a grand scale, as in the past, vs at least attempting to limit it and install some working checks and balances, and working gradually towards a more honest form of governance. Which is the better goal? There has NEVER been an Thai government, including Thaksin's, that could stand without the support of the Thai military. So that argument is moot also. There are no angels, but there are a few with more altruistic aims and a more long term view of the country's needs. PPP never appeared to include any of these long term patriotic thinkers and movers. Edited February 27, 2009 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chlear909 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I was there at a village and saw the votes paid for by red shirts,everytime,3 times ,,is that legal? I saw there at many villages around the world votes been buy. Nothing new. Even in the USA 'pork barreling" is a common thing. Name 1 country in the world where you can say with 100% certitude and swearing on your parents grave where the politicians are 100% clean and don't have personal interests. Where have you been living all these years? Under a rock? whoops,you did it,more fun,prk bareln ended 20 years ago,bettr get bac under yer rock,cool,now you-theyre their own wost enemy great show,it unravles fast now and we can see you for what you are, No, you are making yourself ridiculous with that sentence. But you fail to see it for an obvious reason. "Pork barreling" may have ended 20 years ago, but it is still there. Only, now it is done in a more sophisticated way. Just like a Thai political party offering free condoms to everyone who vote for them. Do you really believe that any politician in the world is doing his job without trying to fill his own pockets? If you do, you are the most naive person I ever met. In my country, pork barreling happens every election and also months before the election. Visit some politician on the election list and ask him to get a government job, a loan which under normal circumstances would be impossible, or what ever and buy a membership for his political party. Anything you ask will be carried out depending on the money you want to donate to his political party. Thaksin might or might not be guilty for the crimes he supposed to have commited. But Absint and his croonies from the yellow T-shirts (PAD leaders) are not exactly angels who have never done something wrong. "He who has never done wrong, cast the first stone." It is to Absint to show that he is really meaning what he pretends to be and show to everybody in the world that he will start clean his own frontdoor by throwing all the PAD leaders in jail for holding an entire country ransom for almost 1 year. Untill that happens, he is nothing else than a suck puppet for the military in the eyes of many people. Do you see me for what I am? Not another naive person like you? no you are not naive,sorry if you felt that,just undereducated and under traveled and over moneyed,but this is enough for me,i need to go offer flowers and unto buddha and sing the mantra and wash dishes at temple as iv been taught so i herby hand this off to ...DW were are ya,yer missn some fun, a democracy can only exist in a transparent situation,the usa is 80% transparent so it almost does there,,thailand is 20% transparent at best ,hence a 'supported"democracy will fail and it will be taken advantage of by the most rich player,,its very common these last centurys,i opologize for any offense and herby check out,,,,till tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) You misunderstand. I am no Thaksin lover, just passing on the facts and my opinion as I see it. It could be categorized as a pragmatic observation. You are correct if you feel I have no love for the Democratic Party as it is presently constituted. Just give them some time and see what happens. It will be impossible for the Democrats to improve your and your families lot in life. You are not considered a victim by the Democrats but are only thought of as fodder to further their personal goals and interests. Good luck. Here we have the standard argument from the pro Thaksin brigade. Presented on so many threads by so many posters it's become their manifesto. 1. Vigourously protest that they do not, in fact, love Thaksin. 2. Claim to be stating facts, without offering any evidence for them. 3. Tell us all to "wait and see". Abhisit will mess up this and fall on that. In 5 years time, should Abhisit still be in power, the beginnings of a real democracy well rooted and the country flourishing, these same people will be on here saying "just you wait, it will happen." The real facts are: Abhisit is the legal PM. His government has made a good start given the global situation and the fact that they've only been in power for 2 months. Thaksin was found guilty and convicted. Any impartial court of law in any country would have made the same decision. The old "he did good for the poor" argument is a myth based on the flawed 30 baht health scheme and his handing out taxpayers money. Edited to remove extra quotes Edited February 27, 2009 by ballpoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalminer Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 no you are not naive,sorry if you felt that,just undereducated and under traveled and over moneyed,but this is enough for me,i need to go offer flowers and unto buddha and sing the mantra and wash dishes at temple as iv been taught so i herby hand this off to ...DW were are ya,yer missn some fun,a democracy can only exist in a transparent situation,the usa is 80% transparent so it almost does there,,thailand is 20% transparent at best ,hence a 'supported"democracy will fail and it will be taken advantage of by the most rich player,,its very common these last centurys,i opologize for any offense and herby check out,,,,till tomorrow Above, some sentence's written in REAL ENGLISH by an EDUCATED charlatan from the PAD. I rest my case and check out for now ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) Does anyone else find the timing of this announcement suspect. The coup guys sent lawyers to England, nine of them, to work on Thaksin's extradition. As far as we know they are still there. Now the current prime minister and his PAD liaison, the foreign minister, are making similar noises which I would consider 'saber rattling' if the PM had ever served in the military. Because of the much delayed and venue changing 14th ASEAN summit the PM needs to make a statement declaring a strong position on the matter.Abhisit is simply a puppet for the military and without military support his government would collapse sooner rather than later this year. The PM has done nothing but streamline and rename populist giveaways from the deposed PM's government. On the plus side, the appointed PM does have great English language skills. Enjoy! Just give them some time and see what happens. Well, thank goodness. For some reason, your first post had led me to think that you had already judged him. Edited February 27, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 So Coalminer, you figure calling someone a "charlatan" is not a flame against TVF rules? char·la·tan n. A person who makes elaborate, fraudulent, and often voluble claims to skill or knowledge; a quack or fraud. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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