Best Steak House In Bangkok

[rcalsop]

I am a meat lover and struggle to find good consistent steaks in Bkk and until quite recently always thought that trying to cook a steak at home was never a success . However I started to try Ostritch steaks bought from Tops ..they are thick and tender and if well peppered ( black pepper ) they cook well at home and I have found the taste very palatable with reduced cholesterol making it a healthier alternative . We normally keep a few in the freezer and allow slow defrost in the fridge and a few hours out of the fridge before cooking . I believe the true meat taste of a great steak starts with the meat being not too fresh . As a student when I worked in hotel kitchens the chef always let his meat hang for a while for his personal steaks ,so it has flavour . Maybe we are too fresh and sterile.

[p_brownstone]

Maybe we are too fresh and sterile.

I have to agree with you.

There are so many Governmental directives now – at least in Europe and North America, about the way food should be prepared, stored and cooked it is becoming increasingly difficult to get the real flavour of any food …… meat or whatever.

I guess my hometown is a little bit North of you (County Durham) but in my teens we used to spend weekends – even longer – camping out and virtually living off the land just for fun: Hare, Rabbit plus Pheasant, Woodcock and other Game birds were what we lived on, always hung before cooking and often, deliberately, in a state that in todays’ world would be called almost rancid.

We are now so protected from ourselves by Government regulation – I feel quite sad when I realise that my children may never experience the same diversity of choice that I had.

But then I wander down my local "Talad Sot" here in Bangkok and think ...... well, perhaps there is still hope!!

Patrick

Edited March 20, 2006 by p_brownstone

[lomatopo]

You are certainly welcome to eat spoiled, unsterile or rancid food. If you like it then great. Or if it's too sterile just drop it on the floor and kick it around before you eat it. Most restaurants seem to avoid serving rancid or spoiled food for some reason? Maybe you've found a new restaurant niche market, Chez Rancide?

Rules and laws concerning the cleanliness of the food we consume have likely saved millions of people from serious illness or death. Hard to understand any reasonably educated person finding fault in that?

FWIW, dry-aged beef is aged at 34 - 36 degrees F for 7 - 28 days. Any warmer and the meat spoils, any colder, it freezes. The idea is to reduce the moisture content, which allows the flavor of the meat to become more pronounced. The beef is then trimmed and cooked (grilled or broiled at high heat), preferrably without the use of marinades or vast quantities of pepper.

[rcalsop]

You are certainly welcome to eat spoiled, unsterile or rancid food. If you like it then great. Or if it's too sterile just drop it on the floor and kick it around before you eat it. Most restaurants seem to avoid serving rancid or spoiled food for some reason? Maybe you've found a new restaurant niche market, Chez Rancide?

Rules and laws concerning the cleanliness of the food we consume have likely saved millions of people from serious illness or death. Hard to understand any reasonably educated person finding fault in that?

FWIW, dry-aged beef is aged at 34 - 36 degrees F for 7 - 28 days. Any warmer and the meat spoils, any colder, it freezes. The idea is to reduce the moisture content, which allows the flavor of the meat to become more pronounced. The beef is then trimmed and cooked (grilled or broiled at high heat), preferrably without the use of marinades or vast quantities of pepper.

So you have never eaten game that has been hung , many of the best restos allow their meat to hang certainly game ..granted the old days of shake off the maggots before cooking may have passed but fresh game is still not served in the best places ...Bacterial action is used in many food products and production methods to change the taste .or don`t you eat cheese, or yogurt , Chez Rancid serves great blue cheese and totally fat free beef with no marbeling .

I also bet you have never had dripping and bread !!!!!. I can hear my arteries clogging thinking about it

Note reference sterile environments ..that latest recieved thinking is that much of todays increase in conditions such as asthma is caused by too clean an environment during childhood . Children brought up on farms have a much reduced incidence of asthma, and have a more robust immune system

Edited March 20, 2006 by rcalsop

[p_brownstone]

Rules and laws concerning the cleanliness of the food we consume have likely saved millions of people from serious illness or death. Hard to understand any reasonably educated person finding fault in that?

Yes - I too wonder how the human race survived for "x" generations before the good people of the FDA and EC regulators came along to selflessly save us from our undoubtedly disgusting - and fatal - eating habits.

Patrick

[jdinasia]

You are certainly welcome to eat spoiled, unsterile or rancid food. If you like it then great. Or if it's too sterile just drop it on the floor and kick it around before you eat it. Most restaurants seem to avoid serving rancid or spoiled food for some reason? Maybe you've found a new restaurant niche market, Chez Rancide?

Rules and laws concerning the cleanliness of the food we consume have likely saved millions of people from serious illness or death. Hard to understand any reasonably educated person finding fault in that?

FWIW, dry-aged beef is aged at 34 - 36 degrees F for 7 - 28 days. Any warmer and the meat spoils, any colder, it freezes. The idea is to reduce the moisture content, which allows the flavor of the meat to become more pronounced. The beef is then trimmed and cooked (grilled or broiled at high heat), preferrably without the use of marinades or vast quantities of pepper.

So you have never eaten game that has been hung , many of the best restos allow their meat to hang certainly game ..granted the old days of shake off the maggots before cooking may have passed but fresh game is still not served in the best places ...Bacterial action is used in many food products and production methods to change the taste .or don`t you eat cheese, or yogurt , Chez Rancid serves great blue cheese and totally fat free beef with no marbeling .

I also bet you have never had dripping and bread !!!!!. I can hear my arteries clogging thinking about it

Note reference sterile environments ..that latest recieved thinking is that much of todays increase in conditions such as asthma is caused by too clean an environment during childhood . Children brought up on farms have a much reduced incidence of asthma, and have a more robust immune system

You mean those that live and don't become sheep-shaggers?

[jdinasia]

You are certainly welcome to eat spoiled, unsterile or rancid food. If you like it then great. Or if it's too sterile just drop it on the floor and kick it around before you eat it. Most restaurants seem to avoid serving rancid or spoiled food for some reason? Maybe you've found a new restaurant niche market, Chez Rancide?

Rules and laws concerning the cleanliness of the food we consume have likely saved millions of people from serious illness or death. Hard to understand any reasonably educated person finding fault in that?

FWIW, dry-aged beef is aged at 34 - 36 degrees F for 7 - 28 days. Any warmer and the meat spoils, any colder, it freezes. The idea is to reduce the moisture content, which allows the flavor of the meat to become more pronounced. The beef is then trimmed and cooked (grilled or broiled at high heat), preferrably without the use of marinades or vast quantities of pepper.

Have you SEEN what they trim off that?

Green/Black and furry!

###### I love a great aged steak!

[rcalsop]

You are certainly welcome to eat spoiled, unsterile or rancid food. If you like it then great. Or if it's too sterile just drop it on the floor and kick it around before you eat it. Most restaurants seem to avoid serving rancid or spoiled food for some reason? Maybe you've found a new restaurant niche market, Chez Rancide?

Rules and laws concerning the cleanliness of the food we consume have likely saved millions of people from serious illness or death. Hard to understand any reasonably educated person finding fault in that?

FWIW, dry-aged beef is aged at 34 - 36 degrees F for 7 - 28 days. Any warmer and the meat spoils, any colder, it freezes. The idea is to reduce the moisture content, which allows the flavor of the meat to become more pronounced. The beef is then trimmed and cooked (grilled or broiled at high heat), preferrably without the use of marinades or vast quantities of pepper.

So you have never eaten game that has been hung , many of the best restos allow their meat to hang certainly game ..granted the old days of shake off the maggots before cooking may have passed but fresh game is still not served in the best places ...Bacterial action is used in many food products and production methods to change the taste .or don`t you eat cheese, or yogurt , Chez Rancid serves great blue cheese and totally fat free beef with no marbeling .

I also bet you have never had dripping and bread !!!!!. I can hear my arteries clogging thinking about it

Note reference sterile environments ..that latest recieved thinking is that much of todays increase in conditions such as asthma is caused by too clean an environment during childhood . Children brought up on farms have a much reduced incidence of asthma, and have a more robust immune system

You mean those that live and don't become sheep-shaggers?

Nothing wrong in a friend called Baabaara ..thats what wellington boots are for ...( some where to hold the back legs )

[bkkjosh]

Ok, if your looking for a pub atmosphere then try the londoner on Sukhumvit Soi 33, they brew their own beer and have a range of quality australian steaks including a huge t-bone.

If your looking for a more upmarket atmostphere try New York Steakhouse at JW Marriot on Sukhumvit road, right next to ploenchit center.

Tony Roma's do good steaks and ribs and they have a restaurant on Sukhumvit road and in the new part of the emporium food court.

The other place I would recommend is Outback Steakhouse in Discovery shopping center at Pathumwan. Its diagonally across from MBK and directly across from siam square.

If you want good beef done in the japanese style.. try chokchai steakhouse in siam square.

Hope this helps..

[lomatopo]

Rules and laws concerning the cleanliness of the food we consume have likely saved millions of people from serious illness or death. Hard to understand any reasonably educated person finding fault in that?

Yes - I too wonder how the human race survived for "x" generations before the good people of the FDA and EC regulators came along to selflessly save us from our undoubtedly disgusting - and fatal - eating habits.

Patrick

There is probably a more appropriate sub-forum/thread here on TV for discussing issues pertaining to food safety but this front page article from today's Bangkok Post did prompt me to revisit this thread...

http://www.bangkokpost.net/News/21Mar2006_news03.php

FOOD SAFETY

Foreign health experts look into outbreak of botulism

APINYA WIPATAYOTIN

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has dispatched experts to investigate food poisoning in Nan province after finding the bacteria causing the outbreak is the same strain used to make biological weapons, the Disease Control Department said yesterday.

Almost 170 villagers from Ban Luang district were admitted to the provincial hospital last week after eating tinned bamboo shoots and developing botulism, a form of food poisoning caused by the clostridium botulinum bacteria.

Seventy-seven patients are being treated in the hospital, and 39 of them are in a coma.

The US health experts were closely monitoring the patients' conditions, Disease Control Department chief Thawat Sundracharn said at a press conference yesterday.

"The CDC is eager to study the ... outbreak in order to strengthen the US preparedness for a biological weapons attack," said Dr Thawat.

Clostridium botulinum bacteria, anthrax and smallpox were the three major components of biological weapons at the moment, he added.

The US infectious disease experts had brought with them 50 doses of anti-toxin serum to try to cure the patients. Britain and Canada had also donated 30 doses of the serum to Nan hospital.

However, he said, the ministry would acquire additional serum from Japan to prepare for any fresh outbreak.

Thailand did not stockpile the serum because usually the number of cases per year was small, Dr Thawat said, adding that the large number in the Nan outbreak was unprecedented.

Dr Thawat said people could develop symptoms of botulism within 12-36 hours of contact with the bacteria. Symptoms include blurred vision, a dry mouth, nausea, vomiting and muscle weakness leading to limb paralysis. In serious cases, the patient would suffer respiratory system failure, a major cause of death among patients with botulism.

A person could contact the disease through a wound or by eating contaminated food.

The department had so far destroyed all 70 locally-produced tins of bamboo shoots to prevent the disease spreading further, said Dr Thawat. A team of medics investigating the disease outbreak suspected that the villagers' unhygienic production of tinned bamboo shoots was the cause of the food poisoning.

[raro]

I'd like to add the Fogo Vivo in the Interconti. Great atmosphere and the baby beef is just awesome.

rcalsop: Fully agree with you that the sterile environment we live in nowadays adds a lot to those "civilization diseases" like asthma (ever wondered why they are called like that...?). I remember buying fresh milk from the farm - the taste was far better than the fresh milk off the supermarket shelf. I am still alive and guess the farmer would have gone into trouble if someone tipped him off.

[jdinasia]

Ok, if your looking for a pub atmosphere then try the londoner on Sukhumvit Soi 33, they brew their own beer and have a range of quality australian steaks including a huge t-bone.

If your looking for a more upmarket atmostphere try New York Steakhouse at JW Marriot on Sukhumvit road, right next to ploenchit center.

Tony Roma's do good steaks and ribs and they have a restaurant on Sukhumvit road and in the new part of the emporium food court.

The other place I would recommend is Outback Steakhouse in Discovery shopping center at Pathumwan. Its diagonally across from MBK and directly across from siam square.

If you want good beef done in the japanese style.. try chokchai steakhouse in siam square.

Hope this helps..

I think you mean Kobe (Kobi?) as there is no Chokchai in Siam and they are not known for Japanese style

[Bull]

I just notice a new place called Texas Steak House opened in Sukhumvit 31 just before the intersection to turn to Samitivej.

The owner offered me a tour of the place and drink since it had just opened for business the day before. They have beef, ostrich and venison steak. The place looks really nice inside, with one big room that you can book for parties. Did not stay for a meal though.

Anybody has been there at all that can comment?

Bull

[OldAsiaHand]

Last couple of times I have been to the New York Steakhouse at the Marriott I thought the food had slipped. Certainly not as good as it was when it first opened. If your thinking of spending that kind of money, I have always found the steakhouse inside the Four Seasons (was the Regent) to be excellent and surprisingly about the same price as the Marriott but probably overall a better experience, service and for sure the beef....

Yes, I think you're right.

I'm told that the guy who had managed the New York Steakhouse from back when it opened left a few months ago, althought that's secondhand and I can't vouch for it. Regardless, I was also there a few weeks ago and the place was a crashing mess. Confused service, blungled reservation, out of several menu items (no prime rib for two days???), and food served to different people at the table seemingly at random. Then, naturally, they've also raised their already highest-in-Bangkok prices. I really wouldn't bother anymore, not unless you also get a kick out of ripping up thousand baht bills and flushing them down the toilet.

As for the Regent, I gather you're talking about Madison's. It's not a steak house, not really, but I agree that the food isn't bad and the prices (particularly at lunch) far more realistic than the New York Steakhouse, which come to think of it isn't open at lunch anyway. Too bad it's open at dinner....

[bkkjosh]

Ok, if your looking for a pub atmosphere then try the londoner on Sukhumvit Soi 33, they brew their own beer and have a range of quality australian steaks including a huge t-bone.

If your looking for a more upmarket atmostphere try New York Steakhouse at JW Marriot on Sukhumvit road, right next to ploenchit center.

Tony Roma's do good steaks and ribs and they have a restaurant on Sukhumvit road and in the new part of the emporium food court.

The other place I would recommend is Outback Steakhouse in Discovery shopping center at Pathumwan. Its diagonally across from MBK and directly across from siam square.

If you want good beef done in the japanese style.. try chokchai steakhouse in siam square.

Hope this helps..

I think you mean Kobe (Kobi?) as there is no Chokchai in Siam and they are not known for Japanese style

Yes, your right. I mixed them up. Kobe. To be honest I've only been there twice, but it was good quality and it was cooked teppanyaki style. Havn't been to New York steakhouse since december so I can't comment on if the quality has changed. It was still good in december though.

[camerata]

I frequented Neil's Tavern for several years but am really not that keen on their frozen steaks. A few years ago, Madison's (at the old Regent Hotel) was very good and had a free salad bar. Then it went downhill when they hired a French chef and did away with the salad bar. Now it seems to be improving again.

I still think New York Steakhouse at the Marriott has the best steaks in town, and it was fine when I went there on Valentine's Day. It really is expensive, but the steaks are huge. No American beef since the mad cow scare. 16oz Australian striploin is about 1600 baht. Argentine striploin, is a little over half that price. Kobe and Wagyu beef are available at astronomical prices.

If you have a Marriott member card, you get 50% off the excellent buffet unlimited times and 50% off at the Steakhouse for (I think) 16 times per year. The discount applies to other Marriott restaurants too. So if you're into buffets and steaks, the member card makes the prices a lot more reasonable.

[Nordlys]

If you have a Marriott member card, you get 50% off the excellent buffet unlimited times and 50% off at the Steakhouse for (I think) 16 times per year. The discount applies to other Marriott restaurants too. So if you're into buffets and steaks, the member card makes the prices a lot more reasonable.

Do you get the same 50% discount for the Japanese restaurant Tsu at JW Marriott and Benihana at Marriott Riverside with that member card?

[p_brownstone]

True Kobe beef is not exported from Japan; "Kobe style" beef is produced from a crossbreed of Wagyu and American Angus cattle raised and slaughtered in the U.S.

Patrick

[lomatopo]

For home cooks, I noticed an ad on the front page of today's Bangkok Post, from Central/marketplace by TOPS, announcing they are the first to bring U.S. beef back to Thailand.

Prime grade is available exclusively at Central Food Hall, ground floor Central Chidlom, while Angus grade is availably exclusively at marketplace by TOPS (Thonglor, Bangna, Sukhumvit 19 and Phuket Festival branches).

[tutsiwarrior]

nobody know nuthin' about PRIME RIB in BKK??? I would pay for quality...

[OldAsiaHand]

If you have a Marriott member card, you get 50% off the excellent buffet unlimited times and 50% off at the Steakhouse for (I think) 16 times per year. The discount applies to other Marriott restaurants too. So if you're into buffets and steaks, the member card makes the prices a lot more reasonable.

Do you get the same 50% discount for the Japanese restaurant Tsu at JW Marriott and Benihana at Marriott Riverside with that member card?

The discount isn't always 50%. It's done on what strikes me as a genuinely weird sliding scale. As I recall, you get 30% when dining alone, 50% with two people, 35% with three people, 20% with four people, and on down from there. The financial incentive is to come as a couple, not a large party. That seems odd to me. I would have thought they would want to encourage you to bring as many people as possible.

As for your specific question, the quick answer is yes. I think there is some limitation on the numer of times you can use it for Tsu, as there is for the New York Steakhouse, but it's a pretty big number if there is.

[camerata]

Do you get the same 50% discount for the Japanese restaurant Tsu at JW Marriott and Benihana at Marriott Riverside with that member card?

Definitely for Tsu and Nami, but I don't recall Benihana being included. As someone else said, 50% is for two people and there's a sliding scale. I don't recall the scale for Marriott, but at the Sheraton it is 50% for one or two, 30% for three and 25% for four or more. The way they express the sliding scale discount is "One person eats free."

[raro]

How to get that Marriott Member Card?

[Nordlys]

Thanks OldAsiaHand and Camerata. I had Teppanyaki dinner at "Nami" ("Nami" for Teppanyaki and "Tsu" for sushi bar and the rest of Japanese food) in the JW Marriott last week on my wife's birthday and received the membership application form with all the details on benefits and condition/restrictions.

raro, see the link below for all the details.

http://www.marriottgoldthailand.com/

You can get the application from at the restaurant but you should apply at the sales office during their working hours. We weren't able to apply the evening we had dinner there so we paid the normal rate. It is 5,900 Baht per card (transferrable) for annual membership.

Edited March 26, 2006 by Nordlys

[The Skipper]

JW Marroitt excells in all their restaurants.

Steakhouse, Japanese, Bakery, Buffet.

All considered the best in town.

Can't go wrong.

[raro]

Sounds definately like a good offer. Also the discounts on Hotel rates are worth the card.

[karazyal]

Back during the "Ice Age" you could go to a great little steak house in Bangkok that was called Dominos.

It was a nice place with a piano bar and their standard steak dinner was around 200 Baht.

I doubt that Dominos is still open.

I also doubt that you could find a steak dinner for 200 Baht.

Can anyone tell me where to go for a good steak dinner at a reasonable (1000 - 1500 Baht) price?

FOODLAND, Sukhumvit Soi 5. Pick the type of steak you want from their meat counter. Pay for the steak. Sit down at the lunch counter and for a small fee they will cook the steak the way you want it. Pick a seat near the grill end of the counter and you can personally "supervise" the cooking. Pay for the "sides" you want and you are good to go!

[raro]

FOODLAND, Sukhumvit Soi 5. Pick the type of steak you want from their meat counter. Pay for the steak. Sit down at the lunch counter and for a small fee they will cook the steak the way you want it. Pick a seat near the grill end of the counter and you can personally "supervise" the cooking. Pay for the "sides" you want and you are good to go!

Do they charge corkage fee if you bring the wine from Villa?

[lomatopo]

FOODLAND, Sukhumvit Soi 5. Pick the type of steak you want from their meat counter. Pay for the steak. Sit down at the lunch counter and for a small fee they will cook the steak the way you want it. Pick a seat near the grill end of the counter and you can personally "supervise" the cooking. Pay for the "sides" you want and you are good to go!

Do they charge corkage fee if you bring the wine from Villa?

Believe it or not, this Foodland has a selection of first and second growths, from 1982 no less, not that I'd buy them as the storage has been suspect. So they do have a decent wine selection.

I had a "minute steak" here, topped with a fried egg and fries on the side, and a salad, and bread, for ~ 180 baht (I think). The sheer variety of dishes they prepare here is amazing, like a classic lunch counter or diner in the U.S.A. I think many (most) Foodlands have a 24 hour counter service, called something like"Took Lae Dee"?

[p_brownstone]

FOODLAND, Sukhumvit Soi 5. Pick the type of steak you want from their meat counter. Pay for the steak. Sit down at the lunch counter and for a small fee they will cook the steak the way you want it. Pick a seat near the grill end of the counter and you can personally "supervise" the cooking. Pay for the "sides" you want and you are good to go!

Do they charge corkage fee if you bring the wine from Villa?

They only charge corkage if you bring your own girl.

Patrick