sibeymai Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 It's not the kids with the problem for sure. Who said it was HER problem? Tiger Woods analogy can work only so far. What if she tried to emulate her favourite adult actress and not a dancer? Let's be open and honest....for just about every sexual move ever invented an equivalent or similar move can be found in dance. It's not practical to censor dance. Any attempt the screen out such moves would fail and kids would be practicing them amongst themselves away from adult view simple because they weren't allowed thus making them even more attractive. For an aspiring dancer who wants to make it to the top they need to be doing all the moves (styles of dance) by their early teens if they hope to become any good. As for adult actors, when you see an 18 year old performer, do you really think they learned it all the day they turned 18 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 reminds me of that movie .... little miss sunshine. the "climax" or the ending of that movie was a prepubescent young girl , dressed the part, doing provocative wild dance moves to dance music ... critics loooooved that, gave it 92% on rotten tomatoes. unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Context is everything. If it is a commercial performance or competition, then it is inappropriate. If it is at a car show, where stupid kids spend all day ogling the scantily clad car booth girls, there is a good chance there were other dancers performing before or after and so it is in extremely poor taste and completely inappropriate. I am sure a crowd didn't pitch up just to watch a 10 year old. A school dance competition or gymnastics competition is an entirely different matter, although the odds that kids this young would be allowed to perform a pole dance in school anywhere that I can think of, must be pretty slim. I remember the scandal that Madonna caused when she hit the scenes with like a virgin and teenage girls started mimicking her. Now we have 10 year olds mimicking pole dancers. The kid is I hope and presume simply dancing without understanding the possible intention of this type of dancing. I went to a birthday party the other day with a stage and music for an elderly relative of my wife. The kids got up to dance, and one young boy (5 year old) proceeded to dance at the front like a girl in a show. It was truly bizarre to watch. Everyone thought it hilarious (except me who found it just a tad disturbing), but that is culture for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Hear hear TAWP.The pole is simply a prop, just like any other prop used in dance. Anyone who thinks it's sexual needs to see a psychologist. Should we ban little girls from gymnastics because it involves poles ? Agree. Define provocative? Take a walk around any country in the world and you will see similar, but because it's Thailand .......? Cheers, Rick If you get a pole from watching it, it has provoked you. Says infinitely more about you in that case... If you are worried a deviate will start to like it too much, that is another issue entirely. Provoking a deviate minority can be done in many different ways, if not it wouldn't be a minority. Children will try to emulate adults and older children. Always have, always will. If her older sister was acting sexy with a boyfriend prospect on the front porch around the roof pole, that might have been enough for the lil darling to learn some moves. We strive to protect our duaghters from harm, at the same time the best protection, is teaching them appropriate behaviors 24/7 in a nice and constructive way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 What is this crap about pedophilia??? Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to children (pre-pubescent children to be exact). The video isn't and can't be pedophilia. It can be pornographic and it can be child-porn, but that's it. A pedophile is someone who finds/seeks/receives sexual gratification from a child. So, if you don't find it sexually gratifying to watch, then chances are you aren't a pedophile. If, however, you find a sudden need to pleasure yourself while watching this, it's likely that you have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.s Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 interestingly, this entire discussion is out of context because no one has actually seen the video in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Most of us wouldn't be sexually provoked by her at all. Yet there's obvious reaction, so much that it got noted by the media. Somebody must have felt something. >>> I'm not sure it's pedophilia, just like being fooled by a Katoey doesn't mean you are attracted to men and therefore gay. Your logic is flawed. It's not the pedo's that alarmed the media, it's the social fascists that are afraid seeing her would attract pedo's or turn other men into it. Being attracted to a katoy isn't being gay, it's the opposite. Since attraction on a distance is about look... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHammer Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 I oppose shit like this as well as many more kinds of children entertaining adults. I think its weird at best and sick at worst. Children are not toys to be shown or laughed at. While most people would of course just think its cute, you know there are a, hopefully very, little percentage that are sick and twisted and WOULD perceive it the wrong way. It is like the debate about nudist camps and children being there. Obviously they should never have to be a place where they can be victims of child sexual predators. It is not worth risking a life even if the chance is small. Why exactly is it you guys want to see a 10 year old on stage and not an 18 year old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHammer Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 What is this crap about pedophilia??? Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to children (pre-pubescent children to be exact). The video isn't and can't be pedophilia. It can be pornographic and it can be child-porn, but that's it. A pedophile is someone who finds/seeks/receives sexual gratification from a child. So, if you don't find it sexually gratifying to watch, then chances are you aren't a pedophile. If, however, you find a sudden need to pleasure yourself while watching this, it's likely that you have a problem. Thats not the point. A 10 year old girl has no place dancing on a pole. Its as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 I oppose shit like this as well as many more kinds of children entertaining adults. I think its weird at best and sick at worst. Children are not toys to be shown or laughed at.While most people would of course just think its cute, you know there are a, hopefully very, little percentage that are sick and twisted and WOULD perceive it the wrong way. It is like the debate about nudist camps and children being there. Obviously they should never have to be a place where they can be victims of child sexual predators. It is not worth risking a life even if the chance is small. Why exactly is it you guys want to see a 10 year old on stage and not an 18 year old? You are saying it should be illegal for kids to be on nudist beaches since you have a warped idea what being nud_e or a nudist is about? Or even if the chance is smaller than being hit by lightning that anything would ever happen, it is too big of a risk for your mind of ease and therefor must be forbidden in the name of protecting the children? Wow, just wow. And people wonder why democracy is doomed to fail again and again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RusticCharm Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Should we ban little girls from gymnastics because it involves poles ?Not just poles. Those little romanians and chinese piss me off as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Fake preteen pole dancers, that`s a new one.I`m sorry to say, but the freedom of the Internet is not a good thing. How the ISPs can censor this sick crap is anyone`s guess. Impossible I would say. This is thoroughly disgusting, however when you let scumbags like these take away your freedom to access a free flow of information then they win. You do NOT want to go down the VERY slippery slope of censorship. When its so much easier just to crush those that pimped out this poor little girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigante7 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Should we ban little girls from gymnastics because it involves poles ?Not just poles. Those little romanians and chinese piss me off as well. LMFAO. Brigante7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadman Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 I think to show outrage is correct. I don't think there should be legal punishment for the organisers very poor taste. And it is very poor taste. It is morally incorrect. Last trip to Thailand my partners 6 year old daughter who can dance everything brillantly from Thai traditional dance, hip hop, you name it, showed me and her mum how she can dance the hola hola As someone described above I am sure she would put a pro to shame. It struck me that perhaps she didn't understand the content she was dancing. And if that is the case then there is a public duty to protect until an acepted adultage age is reached for public exhibition or for that persons own choice for financial reward. A 10 year old pole dancing at a car show is well below that criteria and is in very poor taste. In hind sight there should be punishment. The person who arranged the exhibition should have to put on the exact pole dance in same costume in each of Bangkoks plaza centers at busy time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Child safety group condemns underage pole dancing The National Children Protection Committee will take action against the parents of underage pole dancers and the organisers of their performances. "Arranging for a girl aged under 14 years to be a pole dancer is a legal offence," the committee's member Wallop Tangkananurak said yesterday, "and any company or person who organises a pole dance by underage girls will be punished." On Thursday, the Culture Watch Centre announced it had received complaints that a prepubescent girl had been dancing provocatively around a pole at a motor show. The centre's director Ladda Tangsupachai believed the girl, who was filmed in video clips, was about 10 years old. Ladda added that there were also reports of pole dancing underage girls at temple fairs. Article 26 of the Children Protection Act bars anyone from forcing, coercing, encouraging, or allowing children to perform an obscene show. Offenders are punishable by a fine of 30,000 baht and/or a three month jail term. Wallop suggested that first time offenders face warnings and repeated offenders should be fined and perhaps jailed too. "Companies paying underage girls for pole dances and the girls' parents should also be condemned," he added, "No such cases should happen again". Wallop urged anyone who saw the violating of children's rights to contact non-governmental organisations in the field. "Please help look after our society," he said. - The Nation / 2009-04-04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwan Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 He suspected that someone might have tried to damage the Bangkok International Motor Show's reputation by claiming that a very young girl performed a pole dance there. It's a bit early in my day so I am not yet fully functional so am scrambling around trying to think who would want to want to damage the Show's reputation. To what end? Or is this yet another nonsense utterance from a Government Minister? Apart from the moral issue, I am also concerned about the foisting of yet another smart arse kid on the general public, presumably pushed by 'stars in the eyes' parents. Yuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
way2muchcoffee Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) Obviously they should never have to be a place where they can be victims of child sexual predators. It is not worth risking a life even if the chance is small. I guess we should keep them out of schools, churches, summer camps, shopping malls, anywhere out in public, or even in the home for that matter. There is no place that exists where there is zero chance of a child falling prey to a sexual predator. I do find the public display of sexually provocative dances by children to be in bad taste, but not morally reprehensible, and don't believe it should be banned. I think children dancing is normal and beneficial for them, and that they should not be prevented from doing so. Times change, the culture changes, and the behaviors of children reflect primarily the present attitudes of society. Edited April 4, 2009 by way2muchcoffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) He suspected that someone might have tried to damage the Bangkok International Motor Show's reputation by claiming that a very young girl performed a pole dance there. It's a bit early in my day so I am not yet fully functional so am scrambling around trying to think who would want to want to damage the Show's reputation. To what end? Just hunching as to what would typically prompt such action, but...a competitor? Aren't there a number of car shows (with different organizers/sponsors) throughout the year at different venues in Bangkok? However, still, AFAIK, the location of the video has not been definitively established. Edited April 4, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 In view of all the fuss over a young Thai girl demonstrating her dancing talents, the attached photo shows other countries also have them Young Pole dancers from Lowicz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lami Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Young girls often dress up like a grown ups. It seems quite natural. No big deal....NORMALLY. But, pole dancing (particularly in Thailand, the prostitute hub of the world) is generally seen as a sexual titilating activity. In the privacy of ones home is one thing, but I would never allow my young daughter to do this in public. The parents should be ashamed. Maybe the parents are just grooming her for her expected future career. The connotations of the pole and the "pole dance" in Thailand are inescapably clear, as recognized in the article ("a pre-puberty girl waves her hips and moves sexually around a pole"). Why anyone would teach a child to do this, or why any parent would encourage a child to do this is beyond me. I wonder if the child/her parents were paid and by whom? It's not "cute" and has nothing to do with "freedom of expression". It's absurd, distorted and exploitative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sibeymai Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Just because a bunch of women around the world dance around poles doesn't make it any sexier than other forms of dance. The sexual connotation is in the mind of the observer. Why are there now pole dancing championships around the world ? Are all the contestants hookers and strippers ? If scantily clad dancers started doing routines with a top hat and cane should we ban children from using these dance props too ? Oh, sorry, scantilly clad women already dance with these props....ever seen a show in Vegas , the Lido or Moulin Rouge ? Sorry, but all you sanctimonious hypocrites should get your minds out of the gutter. It's only a kid dancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lami Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) Just because a bunch of women around the world dance around poles doesn't make it any sexier than other forms of dance. The sexual connotation is in the mind of the observer.Why are there now pole dancing championships around the world ? Are all the contestants hookers and strippers ? If scantily clad dancers started doing routines with a top hat and cane should we ban children from using these dance props too ? Oh, sorry, scantilly clad women already dance with these props....ever seen a show in Vegas , the Lido or Moulin Rouge ? Sorry, but all you sanctimonious hypocrites should get your minds out of the gutter. It's only a kid dancing. Where does hypocrisy come into this? I don't think children should be performing any form of sexualized dancing for adults, full stop. If the parents are making money from this, it's even more troubling. Edited April 4, 2009 by Lami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleBlue Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/p/po...ncers_gifts.asp I don't see anything wrong with pole dancing. Actually it is quite funny. Even cow can do it. See link above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Where does hypocrisy come into this? I don't think children should be performing any form of sexualized dancing for adults, full stop. It's only sexual in a very few peoples minds. Including yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhatami Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Fake preteen pole dancers, that`s a new one. :DI`m sorry to say, but the freedom of the Internet is not a good thing. How the ISPs can censor this sick crap is anyone`s guess. Impossible I would say. This crazy, don’t forget freedom come with a price and for me i will pay these prices to make sure i have my freedom. if bad don’t look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
way2muchcoffee Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) I disagree. Most forms of dancing are somewhat sexually provocative or explicit. These include famous showgirl places lik Moulin Rouge and Vegas. Many specific dances and styles range from hinting at sex to exuding it. These include Tango, Salsa, Rumba, Hip Hop, Fly Dancing, Belly Dancing, ballet, slow dancing, Pole Dancing, and many more. It doesn't matter to me, but to deny that there are sexual elements to dancing just isn't correct. Edited April 4, 2009 by way2muchcoffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lami Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) It's only sexual in a very few peoples minds. Including yours. If you are trying to say the idea arouses me, you are completely misguided. The child was doing a dance in public for adults; a dance in which the movements are intended to be sexually suggestive. The sexualization of children is a becoming a problem in many contemporary societies, as other have pointed out. Do a little research. It's mainly about the child, not just "a few people's minds". Do some of you not have children? Would you encourage them to do this ? And is the child really doing this "freely"? Or was this arranged by adults? (I am personally not very keen on parents who get their kids entertaining the public when they are so young, even without the pole.) Edited April 4, 2009 by Lami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sibeymai Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 there is a famous quote, attributed to who I don't know, but it says... "dance is a vertical expression of a horizontal desire". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) When i was a child i was a dancer, like in Cirque du Soleil (but not that good) so there are different types of dances (not all of them necessarily sexual as one poster implied) that evoke different responses. i have the feeling the young girl was exploited/egged on by her parents, which to me is 100% a case of parental irresponsibility. Edited April 4, 2009 by mc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleBlue Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Like pole dancing, some people also consider women gymnastic, synchronised swimming, etc sexually suggestive. Should we ban that as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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