Forum Upgrade Delayed

[george]

Hi all,

We have today decided to postpone the upgrade of the forum software.

Still a few issues to resolve in order to be perfect.

Cheers

George

[TBWG]

Hi all,

We have today decided to postpone the upgrade of the forum software.

Still a few issues to resolve in order to be perfect.

Cheers

George

There it was ~~~~ GONE!

TBWG

[Mossfinn]

Good idea, if I log in as Kayo again, I can see papers being served

[LaoPo]

I have a question:

I noticed a link to the IP.Board community Forum from/by Invision Power where the possibilities of various versions of the IP.Board are shown on the left bottom of the page. They have 6 options to change the page in the version one likes the best.

Is it possible for Thaivisa to have 2 or 3 options (or more) for their members to choose as well ?

* The Pro Classic version is best readable for me + the "old" (present) version of Thaivisa.

That would solve my problem, being colour blind.

Thank you

LaoPo

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Message-Boar...97#entry3030097

[T_Dog]

I have a question:

I noticed a link to the IP.Board community Forum from/by Invision Power where the possibilities of various versions of the IP.Board are shown on the left bottom of the page. They have 6 options to change the page in the version one likes the best.

Is it possible for Thaivisa to have 2 or 3 options (or more) for their members to choose as well ?

* The Pro Classic version is best readable for me + the "old" (present) version of Thaivisa.

That would solve my problem, being colour blind.

Thank you

LaoPo

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Message-Boar...97#entry3030097

I tend to agree with you. "This old version" has very high contrast screens and is really easy to read. I noticed that the new version yesterday had grey or blue text and it was much more difficult on the eyes. I'm color blind too, so maybe that is why I didn't like the screens on the new version. But.... I've always been a retro-grouch. I hope there are ways to customize the displays.

[endure]

I quite enjoyed being logged in as George. I banned everybody. Why are you all still here?

[LaoPo]

They have 6 options to change the page in the version one likes the best.

Is it possible for Thaivisa to have 2 or 3 options (or more) for their members to choose as well ?

* The Pro Classic version is best readable for me + the "old" (present) version of Thaivisa.

LaoPo

Sorry, forgot to add a link of the IP.Board Pro Classic: (other examples on the lower left of the page)

http://community.invisionpower.com/

LaoPo

[dantilley]

I thought the new version looked pretty good for the short time it was up. Good luck with the next attempted upgrade...

[timekeeper]

Hi all,

We have today decided to postpone the upgrade of the forum software.

Still a few issues to resolve in order to be perfect.

Cheers

George

i am pleased to hear that George

i used it whilst it was up and running

i found it hard to navigate & not easy on the eyes

save your money, TV is great as it is........

[Lopburi99]

As a career IT guy, and a programmer for many years, I can attest that even a very minor "bug" can cause a program or system to operate totally helter-skelter. My guess would be that may have been the case here. Such a bug could be a simple pointer or index table problem, but causing almost all transfers to be in error, incorrect user identification, etc, with everything operating amok with no rhyme nor reason. In real time systems like TV, it isn't as simple as quickly fixing a bug. The bug fix (or design flaw) could be fixed sometimes in a very few minutes, but then the necessary regeneration of application software files, especially index files (which make rapid access possible) which can be huge and take many hours to regen. and reinstall, back up, and other necessary procedures.

That said however, there clearly was also a fairly major design change which would have complicated everything. This effort was a major undertaking.

Edited September 25, 2009 by Lopburi99

[Plus]

I think the upgrade went far beyond simply changing the skin (colors, fonts, small images that make up the "look").

The problems could be with the new version of Invision board itself, the way it deals with the existing database that contains all the posts and member profiles, with ThaiVisa own addons related to advertising and so on.

I wasn't particularly impressed with the new look, btw. Every element seemed to be bigger and done in pastel colors, not really consistent with new LCD screens and old people's eyes.

[Lopburi99]

I think the upgrade went far beyond simply changing the skin (colors, fonts, small images that make up the "look").

The problems could be with the new version of Invision board itself, the way it deals with the existing database that contains all the posts and member profiles, with ThaiVisa own addons related to advertising and so on.

I wasn't particularly impressed with the new look, btw. Every element seemed to be bigger and done in pastel colors, not really consistent with new LCD screens and old people's eyes.

I didn't like it either. The design wasn't functionally concise. Confusing, cluttered, etc. but I think george will fix it up over time. The old system was quite well done so I have confidence in him and his team.

Edited September 25, 2009 by Lopburi99

[Mai Krap]

I think the upgrade went far beyond simply changing the skin (colors, fonts, small images that make up the "look").

The problems could be with the new version of Invision board itself, the way it deals with the existing database that contains all the posts and member profiles, with ThaiVisa own addons related to advertising and so on.

I wasn't particularly impressed with the new look, btw. Every element seemed to be bigger and done in pastel colors, not really consistent with new LCD screens and old people's eyes.

You are both right and wrong. It has nothing to do with the new version of IPB and everything to do with way the Thai Visa hacked to death the old version. By changing so many little things on the old version it will be impossible to use them in the new version as they will need to create new hacks that will work in the new software. This problem is compounded by the fact that the new IPB3 is currently the most sophisticated board software available.

Think about it like this, you have Windows XP and you want to switch to Windows 7, you dont expect all your old programs to work as the architecture and way it works is more focused on the future than yesterday. Therefore you start looking for either new or upgraded software and you have to start from ground zero, kinda like a new baby has to learn everything new. Since many of the hacks I have seen here were created just for Thai Visa and are not something you see on many IPBs they will most likely have to create new hacks to work in the new software.

Anyone familiar with IPB3 already knows that programmers are having problems messing around with it as its new and very powerful software so there are no experts created yet. It may take a good year or more for there to be enough hacks to run 3.0 the way some were running 2.3 but then again why would anyone want to do that, why not just set up 3.0 on a private server and exploit the new software then do a reveal? This is all very interesting to watch, very interesting indeed. By the way, I'm a IPB3 Admin and I'm having the same issues just on a much smaller scale.

[Plus]

Skins are a matter of preference, some like it, some don't. I suppose they are not free, but if there was a choice, people would simply switch to a different skin and complains would stop (in theory, at least).

I doubt the problems were with skins only, and the upgrade is inevitable, as George seems to have hired a company to oversee the upgrade already.

Incidentally - what skin do you prefer?

Maybe the admin could set a poll and give a link to Invision website to see them for themselves. So far I like the current "Pro" skin the best, though I wouldn't mind changing it just for the sake of fresh look.

[loong]

Thew short while that the new style was up and running, I couldn't find how to access my controls. I hope that when the upgrade is fully applied that there will be a set of instructions posted here.

Also I notice that at least one of my posts has completely disappeared. (And no, not deleted by a Mod.)

[G54]

Looked good early hours of this morning

But the posts disappeared

[Camelot]

If it ain't broke, why fix it?

IT specialists in my company love to keep on fixing things that aren't broke until they are.

[LaoPo]

Skins are a matter of preference, some like it, some don't. I suppose they are not free, but if there was a choice, people would simply switch to a different skin and complains would stop (in theory, at least).

I doubt the problems were with skins only, and the upgrade is inevitable, as George seems to have hired a company to oversee the upgrade already.

Incidentally - what skin do you prefer?

Maybe the admin could set a poll and give a link to Invision website to see them for themselves. So far I like the current "Pro" skin the best, though I wouldn't mind changing it just for the sake of fresh look.

Good idea for a skin-poll but do you mean the Pro Classic skin ? -link below-

http://community.invisionpower.com/

Maybe it's even better to let members chose for themselves with 2 or 3 options on the new version ?

LaoPo

[Mossfinn]

If it ain't broke, why fix it?

Possibly to improve an existing success?

A wheel may not be broke, but you can still advance an existing situation.

O.K

Better?

[Camelot]

Well, yes in a roundabout way. At least now someone is at the wheel.

[spongeman]

I like it the way it is !

But then again I fear change.

[CaptainSplod]

Yep! It would be nice with a CHOICE! As is already stated, the current TV layout is excellent and kind on the eyes - the new layout may be great for many -

BUT PLEASE GIVE US A CHOICE!

Thanks

[Thaddeus]

If it ain't broke, why fix it?

IT specialists in my company love to keep on fixing things that aren't broke until they are.

What he said.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should do it, what extra features/functionality does this proposed upgrade offer? ..... ask the most important people of the forum i.e. those that use it, if they want/need the changes.

[cyb]

If it ain't broke, why fix it?

IT specialists in my company love to keep on fixing things that aren't broke until they are.

What he said.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should do it, what extra features/functionality does this proposed upgrade offer? ..... ask the most important people of the forum i.e. those that use it, if they want/need the changes.

The problem is that after a time old versions of software do not get the technical support needed, Or valid updates.

So in the end the user has to upgrade wether they like it or not.

Just like using windows os. Most of the older versions are no longer supported.

But it can be customised to suit, Wait until it's completed then air your views.

What you saw earlier was by no means the end product.

Can i have that Bht10,000 now please george?

Edited September 25, 2009 by cyb

[harrry]

Well, yes in a roundabout way. At least now someone is at the wheel.

Hold on this is Thailand. No one is at the wheel here.

[mackayae]

Postponement is good.

[Naam]

Hi all,

We have today decided to postpone the upgrade of the forum software.

Still a few issues to resolve in order to be perfect.

Cheers

George

There it was ~~~~ GONE!

TBWG

A HORROR!

[Mossfinn]

Sometimes it is not possible for a referendum (I use that term loosely), I suggest a consensus would never be agreed upon and this is no cooperative, if things are not progressed, things will standstill, become outdated and eventually stagnate.

Lets see it in working action and then make comments towards its user friendliness, I would also suggest that the present model was adapted and improved upon over time.

[harrry]

Lets see it in working action and then make comments towards its user friendliness, I would also suggest that the present model was adapted and improved upon over time.

Accessibility for people with disabilities is something that should be considered now, not after implimentation when the excuse is it is too hard to fix.

[Mossfinn]

One of the most valid points made up to now was the position regarding colour blindness.