rixalex Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Ferwert: My best guess is that Jingthing and Pat Pong are one and the same. Looks like someone needs to up their medication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 (edited) (Mods on to plot point lower) As with any website and any forum it changes with time. The Nation coming in in some ways helped and in some ways may have retarded parts of TVF depending on the observers views. I suspect that Admin in general sees it as beneficial. And I believe they are still negotiating with B.Post for rights to link directly. Video killed the radio star and internet killed the mass market journal, it just hasn't fully died yet, same for many 60's rockstars. So it is logical that B. Post is trying to protect their web share and paper sales, by not letting Nation's web arm have free access. With the Nation AND the Bangkok Post both having histories of Thaksin plotting to silence their dissenting voices to his policies, and attempts at shutting down their investigations into his government, as well ass opposition party free speach up north in TRT/PPP/PPP strongholds or marginal constituencies. it's no wonder there is a great dislike for him at either journal. And it is also in this day and age logical to allow extra editorial discussions via web boards aligned with one side or another. So the anti-Thaksin sentiments are logically at home where Thaksin plotted to erase dissenting opinions. He has not succeeded here since many red side posters DO get their words out regularly. And it seems to be still in his cross hairs as a PR exercise through 'some posters', if not most or many. Edited January 19, 2010 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshiwara Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Just as Thaksin gets more desperate, so do his apologists spending some time now complaining about the Nation, Bangkok Post etc. Aim? To push the topic away from Thaksin's illegal finances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Just as Thaksin gets more desperate, so do his apologists spending some time now complaining about the Nation, Bangkok Post etc. Aim? To push the topic away from Thaksin's illegal finances. Very observant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Just as Thaksin gets more desperate, so do his apologists spending some time now complaining about the Nation, Bangkok Post etc. Aim? To push the topic away from Thaksin's illegal finances. Truth is the Thai media has never been entirely, if at all, balanced. It's not a recent phenomenon, so why now are certain members so up in arms about it all? Getting on your high horse about the quality of journalism in this country means little if you dismount the moment it swings back in favour of your own standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Where in the world is the media balanced? CNN / Fox News London Times / Sun NY Times / NY Post. Discourse of Du La Front National / La Travier Socialist Any agreements here, not much me thinks. One side gladly distorts the others reasoning to make points. A lot like debating in TVF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Interesting how many you highlight are part of News Corp. including both the London Times and The Sun as well as NY Post, Fox. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 (edited) Just as Thaksin gets more desperate, so do his apologists spending some time now complaining about the Nation, Bangkok Post etc. Aim? To push the topic away from Thaksin's illegal finances. All newspapers to a degree have over their lifetimes moved their political stance to feather the nests of their owners. These papers would be around Thaksin's trough in a second if it made their bank balance stronger. It isn't as though when it was rumoured that AIS was using advertising revenue pressure to influence the Nation or BP, they stood on principle and turned down the $$$. My other experience in watching this is largely UK based, where fortunately there are a range of daily quality and tabloid papers. The Sun is believed to be able to make or break a government by endorsing a party one way or another. Some do have stable political bias, it is interesting at least in the UK that Murdoch's print media appears to go which ever way suits his 5 year business plan. I wouldn't expect anything less sophisticated anywhere in the world from "most" newspapers. Edited January 19, 2010 by Thai at Heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 (edited) Interesting how many you highlight are part of News Corp. including both the London Times and The Sun as well as NY Post, Fox.Regards Wasn't his Times purchase a lame shqam show at even handedness? Murdock must be a model for a number of Thais Journal owners... Edited January 19, 2010 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustybin Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Do or die plots are just another PAD and yellow smokescreen. Designed to mask the real issue of why the people are being denied democracy and an election, at gunpoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Interesting how many you highlight are part of News Corp. including both the London Times and The Sun as well as NY Post, Fox.Regards Wasn't his Times purchase a lame shqam show at even handedness? Murdock must be a model for a number of Thais Journal owners... Not perfect that Murdoch owns quite so many of them, but at least he is out there and in your face about his politics and money making ethos. The funny thing is, his channels reach so many people, that his influence on government policy concerning satellite TV is very major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
way2muchcoffee Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Do or die plots are just another PAD and yellow smokescreen.Designed to mask the real issue of why the people are being denied democracy and an election, at gunpoint Where are the guns? Oh yes. I remember now. That was Thaksin's redshirt commandos threatening to blow up a BKK neighborhood with a gas tanker, and then murdering unarmed civilians at a market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man River Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 ^ Scroll up to the logo, which now reads The Nation Thai Visa ForumAnnouncement Regards /edit add link// Thanks for the link; I missed that announcement ideed. Sad to conclude, for quite some time already, that ThaiVisa is almost exclusively publishing news from The Nation, a rather biased news source to put it mildly. I miss the previous "Old" ThaiVisa were news from many sources was published. Where's the independent ThaiVisa it once was? LaoPo Come on LaoPo. You don't rely on TV for your news. For sure, I don't. Still, we are able to comment as we wish (more or less). What is wrong with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Do or die plots are just another PAD and yellow smokescreen.Designed to mask the real issue of why the people are being denied democracy and an election, at gunpoint Where are the guns? Oh yes. I remember now. That was Thaksin's redshirt commandos threatening to blow up a BKK neighborhood with a gas tanker, and then murdering unarmed civilians at a market. Dustybin has unwittingly gotten it right. The biggest reason for not having elections right now is Thaksin metaphorically holding a gun against the heads of the Thai people. Preventing campaigners from spreading their word by threats of, and actual, violence, while his hired followers disseminate lies about the legitimacy and deeds of the current government, aren't exactly conducive to democracy. I'd go so far to say that if the Samak government had actually gotten on with running the country, rather than trying to get Thaksin back as soon as it could, they would have had a far greater chance of still being in power. If the PTP opposition came up with some policies, rather than trying to get Thaksin back as fast as it can, then it would have a more credible case for elections. We currently have a democratically elected government. The biggest setback to any further elections is Thaksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 ^ Scroll up to the logo, which now reads The Nation Thai Visa ForumAnnouncement Regards /edit add link// Thanks for the link; I missed that announcement ideed. Sad to conclude, for quite some time already, that ThaiVisa is almost exclusively publishing news from The Nation, a rather biased news source to put it mildly. I miss the previous "Old" ThaiVisa were news from many sources was published. Where's the independent ThaiVisa it once was? LaoPo Come on LaoPo. You don't rely on TV for your news. For sure, I don't. Still, we are able to comment as we wish (more or less). What is wrong with this? Sorry: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thaksin-die-...18#entry3277618 LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshiwara Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Do or die plots are just another PAD and yellow smokescreen.Designed to mask the real issue of why the people are being denied democracy and an election, at gunpoint Where are the guns? Oh yes. I remember now. That was Thaksin's redshirt commandos threatening to blow up a BKK neighborhood with a gas tanker, and then murdering unarmed civilians at a market. Dustybin has unwittingly gotten it right. The biggest reason for not having elections right now is Thaksin metaphorically holding a gun against the heads of the Thai people. Preventing campaigners from spreading their word by threats of, and actual, violence, while his hired followers disseminate lies about the legitimacy and deeds of the current government, aren't exactly conducive to democracy. I'd go so far to say that if the Samak government had actually gotten on with running the country, rather than trying to get Thaksin back as soon as it could, they would have had a far greater chance of still being in power. If the PTP opposition came up with some policies, rather than trying to get Thaksin back as fast as it can, then it would have a more credible case for elections. We currently have a democratically elected government. The biggest setback to any further elections is Thaksin. The reason why they behave like this is that Thaksin is the paymaster and conductor (though some don't have to be told what to do). If Thaksin has his wealth stripped on Feb 26, then there is a risk of the money train grinding to a halt. Causing mayhem in the next few weeks 'elevates' Thaksin as a potential 'peacemaker' and keeps him still in the game and one hand continuing to claw at the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidusaf99 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 If the choice is Do or Die, with regard to Thaksin, I know which choice I would pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 (edited) Not sure how "causing mayhem" elevates the man to status of peacemaker? A peacemaker brings two waring sides together and stops violence, and then settles the issue quiet and non-violently. Saying you will not cause more violence, like that which you just started is not peacemaking. Extortionist, blackmailer, brigand, traitor and insurrectionist all come to mind though. Edited January 19, 2010 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustybin Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 no role there then for sondi. but you can mention the PAD and yellowskirts by name , insted of just referencing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) Sondhi has succesfully gotten his revenge for Thaksin successfully ruining him in '97 and thus removing competition in telecoms... Thaksin could have brought him into the devaluation scam, but didn't purposely. But inadvertently Thaksin created a vengefull and media savy wraith that caused his own downfall. When you ruin a former friend and gloat about it, that former friend often knows your own weak points and can use them best against you. Sondhi is is naught more than Thaksin's self-created nemesis. The foot he shot so many years ago turned gangrenous and has since fallen off. Edited January 20, 2010 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshiwara Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Not sure how "causing mayhem" elevates the man to status of peacemaker?Saying you will not cause more violence, like that which you just started is not peacemaking. Extortionist, blackmailer, brigand, traitor and insurrectionist all come to mind though. Of course the violence will not be his fault, oh no, but he will put himself forward as the only one who can calm things down, oh yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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