What Comes Next? After Thaksin Ruling?

[elcent]

After Thaksin Ruling? The day which will be considered as unofficial holiday? May I guess it is Songkran?

Just seen many people wearing red shirts and Kathoys in red dresses, lol.

A checkpoint nearby turned into something like total control.

They are scattered around and haven't formed a group(yet).

Edited February 25, 2010 by elcent

[jdinasia]

Differences have also emerged among the red shirts over the best way to challenge the government, with its apparently solid backing by the military.

One tactic would be to create turmoil that might bring down the government and force an early election — starting, for example, with violent protests against the confiscation of Mr. Thaksin's assets.

The other would be to wait until the next scheduled election, in 2012, keeping their base active in the meantime with protests, seminars and rallies calling for Mr. Thaksin's return.

"The best option for the reds to win is by election," said Mr. Thongchai, the Thai historian. "No matter what, if they just wait, they have the vote. They are not stupid. They can wait." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/25/world/as...i.html?ref=asia

Yeppers that is what Mr Thongchai thinks (not what UG suggested --- the NYT thinks) Then just above it there is mentioned the tactic of creating turmoil to topple the government and force an early election.

There are several OPINIONS expressed in that article that are cerainly arguable

Edited February 25, 2010 by jdinasia

[ProfessorFart]

Only UG actually has a source albeit iffy!

But JD with his PHd in Thai will enlighten us more I'm sure.....minus the smileys......

Edited February 26, 2010 by Lite Beer
Profanity removed. Lite Beer

[ProfessorFart]

Or maybe all the educated Thais he's just been chatting with.....

[KeyserSoze01]

Next election? What next election?

[britmaveric]

Or maybe all the educated Thais he's just been chatting with.....

JD is alright Farty.... just biased to a fault. Course we all are to a point.

[Ulysses G.]

That is not a NYT opinion, nor a NYT "fact" but rather the opinion of a Thai historian as quoted in the NYT. Not the same thing UG.

This is true, but it is all speculation anyway and I think that a Thai historian has more a lot more insight into Thai politics than any obsessed, opinionated farang.

Edited February 26, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[ProfessorFart]

Well so far only UG has bought anything to the table but should lose the smilies as they are so lame.

Professor JD anything to add?

Sorry, I meant anything 'factual' to add....

[Moonrakers]

Well so far only UG has bought anything to the table but should lose the smilies as they are so lame.

Professor JD anything to add?

Sorry, I meant anything 'factual' to add....

UG bought the OPINION of a random guy to the table.

Rixalex countered that with HARD FACT, which you and others have conveniently ignored.

But don't let fact and reason get in the way of your argument now, eh!

[jdinasia]

That is not a NYT opinion, nor a NYT "fact" but rather the opinion of a Thai historian as quoted in the NYT. Not the same thing UG.

This is true, but it is all speculation anyway and I think that a Thai historian has more a lot more insight into Thai politics than any obsessed, opinionated farang.

Ummmm UG --- I think that a Thai historian in the USA might not actually know as much as a Thai speaking foreigner on the ground in Thailand that follows current events daily

[jdinasia]

Well so far only UG has bought anything to the table but should lose the smilies as they are so lame.

Professor JD anything to add?

Sorry, I meant anything 'factual' to add....

UG bought the OPINION of a random guy to the table.

Rixalex countered that with HARD FACT, which you and others have conveniently ignored.

But don't let fact and reason get in the way of your argument now, eh!

Don't sweat PF -- his only contribution to the thread is to flame me He got beat down in another thread and is just carrying it over into this one.

[rixalex]

Well so far only UG has bought anything to the table but should lose the smilies as they are so lame.

Professor JD anything to add?

Sorry, I meant anything 'factual' to add....

UG bought the OPINION of a random guy to the table.

Rixalex countered that with HARD FACT, which you and others have conveniently ignored.

But don't let fact and reason get in the way of your argument now, eh!

Thank you Moonrakers for expressing perfectly what i was thinking.

If anyone needs reminding, UG stated this: They pretty much said that everyone knows that Thaksin and his buddies can easily win any election in Thailand

The "they" refered to the New York Times. We now know that in fact UG's sentence should have read: A Thai man pretty much said that everyone knows that Thaksin and his buddies can easily win any election in Thailand

The thoughts of that one Thai man (historian or otherwise), as i have already stated, don't seem to correlate with the last election results. Thaksin and his buddies did not easily win the election - in fact, they didn't win at all.

[hammered]

After the verdict, unless it pleases everyone (not exactly likely) the group not happy (and that could be everyone ) will plan some event and take thingsd on to the next level or next chapter in the game. Right now it seems nobody is sure of the fianl verdict and so nothing can be certain until it is out and interpreted. Not long to go....

[Ulysses G.]

That is not a NYT opinion, nor a NYT "fact" but rather the opinion of a Thai historian as quoted in the NYT. Not the same thing UG.

This is true, but it is all speculation anyway and I think that a Thai historian has more a lot more insight into Thai politics than any obsessed, opinionated farang.

Ummmm UG --- I think that a Thai historian in the USA might not actually know as much as a Thai speaking foreigner on the ground in Thailand that follows current events daily

You know more about Thai politics than a Thai historian? Give me break.

[Moonrakers]

You think you are acting intelligently U.G.? Do you think that you are being clever?

All I see is that you are acting as an immature kid who is tainting this discussion because you can't get your own way.

Grow up.

[jdinasia]

That is not a NYT opinion, nor a NYT "fact" but rather the opinion of a Thai historian as quoted in the NYT. Not the same thing UG.

This is true, but it is all speculation anyway and I think that a Thai historian has more a lot more insight into Thai politics than any obsessed, opinionated farang.

Ummmm UG --- I think that a Thai historian in the USA might not actually know as much as a Thai speaking foreigner on the ground in Thailand that follows current events daily

You know more about Thai politics than a Thai historian? Give me break.

UG -- you are back to using one liners (your only forte' when you comment in a politics thread!)

Yes UG I distinctly think it is possible that a Thai speaking foreigner that is IN Thailand and follows current events closely might know more than a Thai historian in the USA. If you had said a Thai political science professor -- and meant that he was a professor of Thai political science -- then I wouldn't have said that

[Ulysses G.]

You have NO idea of how much time he spends in Thailand or what contacts he has. You can spin all you want, but a foreigner claiming to understand Thai politics better than a Thai historian is just plain silly.

By the way, one line often tells the whole story.

[jdinasia]

You have NO idea of how much time he spends in Thailand or what contacts he has. You can spin all you want, but a foreigner claiming to understand Thai politics better than a Thai historian is just plain silly.

By the way, one line often tells the whole story.

You are correct in one part ----- I have no idea how much time he spends in Thailand -If Any, or what contacts he has -If Any. He could be a historian that specializes in the Silk trade or movies and nothing else. Like I said if he were a historian of Thai Politics or a Political Scientist that studied Thai politics then he would certainly have credentials worth noting! Otherwise he's just a random guy that has a title in a Uni.

[Moonrakers]

You have NO idea of how much time he spends in Thailand or what contacts he has. You can spin all you want, but a foreigner claiming to understand Thai politics better than a Thai historian is just plain silly.

By the way, one line often tells the whole story.

You are correct in one part ----- I have no idea how much time he spends in Thailand -If Any, or what contacts he has -If Any. He could be a historian that specializes in the Silk trade or movies and nothing else. Like I said if he were a historian of Thai Politics or a Political Scientist that studied Thai politics then he would certainly have credentials worth noting! Otherwise he's just a random guy that has a title in a Uni.

You will get nowhere JD. He is going to continue on his current course of action because he can't respond to the facts about the last election directly contradicting this one guys opinion, he is evading that at all costs and so is concentrating on you instead.

[unclejunta]

There was a good article in the New York Times. They pretty much said that everyone knows that Thaksin and his buddies can easily win any election in Thailand and that they will simply wait for the next one, rather than depend on violence.

Let's hope that they are as sensible and patient as most of us would desire.

The other side is aware of this threat. Either we will see more pro Thaksin politicians in the docks or they will be bought over by the Democracts with their newly seized 76 billion. No chance for a Thaksin comeback. Sad day for Thailand and the common Thai

[Ulysses G.]

[Otherwise he's just a random guy that has a title in a Uni.

A random Thai historian who is being quoted by the New York Times and being dismissed by a "Thai speaking" farang.

Edited February 26, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[ballpoint]

[Otherwise he's just a random guy that has a title in a Uni.

A random Thai historian who is being quoted by the New York Times and being dismissed by a "Thai speaking" farang.

Sorry to have to tell you, but this isn't history, it's what's happening now. They might as well have got a Thai janitor living in NY to give his opinion. Without being smug, I would put money on me, as a Thai and local Khmer dialect speaking farang living in Buri Ram for close to 2 decades, and having a wife who was kamnan of our tambon for many of those years, knowing more about Thai politics in this area than some outsider, no matter how educated he may be. You're the one who originally claimed it to be the opinion of the NYT itself. Now we can hear the furious whoosh of the backtracking as you try and cover your mistake.

[jdinasia]

I could quote my partner as a Thai Security Specialist when discussing national security and even mention government agencies he has done significant work for when a discussion of the restive South comes up. It still wouldn't mean he knows squat about the South (other than hanging out at beaches or scuba diving) since his field is Internet Security)

UG -- I can't be bothered to dig for the guy's credentials and he COULD be the world's foremost authority on Thai politics. He could also be someone that has only studied the history of underwater basket weaving. --- remember the 15,800,000 results for "factual errors New York Times" and this guy was just expressing an opinion

[Ulysses G.]

[Otherwise he's just a random guy that has a title in a Uni.

A random Thai historian who is being quoted by the New York Times and being dismissed by a "Thai speaking" farang.

I would put money on me, as a Thai and local Khmer dialect speaking farang living in Buri Ram for close to 2 decades, and having a wife who was kamnan of our tambon for many of those years, knowing more about Thai politics in this area than some outsider, no matter how educated he may be.

I rather bet on the Thai Historian who is quoted by the New York Times anytime.

[jdinasia]

hmmmmm

http://library.iusb.edu/pdf/critical-reading.pdf

What is the style of the source?

Is it well-written?

What is the nature of the language used?

What is the level of detail in the article?

Style? ---

Well written? Well if UG thought it was the opinion of the NYT and not of some random "Thai historian" -- then no. Did it just above the disputed part state that violence was one potential outcome?

Language used? Vague

Level of detail? None

Accuracy in the article --- about 50% if you give them credit for vague language about 10% if you don't.

reliability of the journal/newspapr/etc?

15,800,000 returns on factual errors when googled

The guy COULD be both credible AND correct .... then again he might not be either. He is no more credible than anyone with his feet on the ground and possibly far less credible

[timekeeper]

Money will be returned, and all will be well.

now Britmaveric, you ready for a piece of pie?

[jdinasia]

Money will be returned, and all will be well.

now Britmaveric, you ready for a piece of pie?

LOL ... poor brit

[britmaveric]

The court did a fine job and we should all respect the outcome!!!

JD - not surprised on the outcome. I could have told you a year or more ago how this would end, however I'm sure Khun T will be back at some point and take back the dosh that is owed to him.

[ProfessorFart]

No worries...Brit likes his pie....

[way2muchcoffee]

Brit. You're a funny guy. I don't think you actually believe half of the things you post. That's ok. You're never blatantly rude and your comments sometimes spark an interesting discussion. Keep it up.