Over 100 ID cards, redshirt cards found in Bangkok sewer

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Over 100 ID, UDD cards found in sewer

BANGKOK (NNT) -- Scores of identification cards and member cards of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) supporters have been found in the drain in front of Central World.

Since this morning, officers from the military and the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) have investigated the previously rioted areas in the capital to search for any suspicious objects and explosive devices left behind.

During the mission, more than 100 ID cards and UDD cards of the protesters were discovered in the sewer in front of Central World Shopping Complex. As the site is adjacent to where the UDD registration tent used to be, the items are speculated to have been seized from rally-goers to prevent them from returning home. All of them will be forwarded to the Center for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) for further investigation.

In April, several complaints were received from around 200 protesters over UDD staff’s confiscation of their ID cards, obliging them to remain within the rally site.

-- NNT 2010-05-22

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[londonthai]

or some were thrown away by their owners to conceal their identity.

in an another thread "Thailand-Live-Today-Live-Saturday" there is a quotation of not "over 100" but 1000 ID cards http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thailand-Liv...14#entry3631514 - we will never know the truth

Edited May 22, 2010 by londonthai

[SomTumTiger]

[thepodest]

well well well

what do we have here

Edited May 22, 2010 by thepodest

[gardenubon]

or some were thrown away by their owners to conceal their identity.

in an another thread "Thailand-Live-Today-Live-Saturday" there is a quotation of 1000 cards http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thailand-Liv...14#entry3631514 - we will never know the truth

if they wanted to do that then they would destroy them! all reds are not the bad guys!

this is just another example of poor people being exploited plain and simple, most of the protesters were paid and given food and also you have to remember alot of the people from rural thailand are simple people and dont have much how do i say savvy

[Steely Dan]

How appropriate.

[Tokay]

There is a computer database of EVERYONE who made a redshirt card. I saw it with my own eyes and took pics of the process. If the gov gets their hands on this DB, they have every name that was in the camps, providing they got a card.

[junglist]

got the names now time to knock on some doors.

[Tokay]

got the names now time to knock on some doors.

Indeed.

When I saw them making the cards I knew at that time it was either going to protect them at a later date, or bite them in the ass if the reds failed.

[hammered]

They were taking ID cards for a variety of reasons linked to protest numbers., This has been widely discussed over time and has been far too widely mentioned to be false. Looks like the evidence is here now. People at the national stadium without ID cards had their registration checked too before being sent home.

[RKASA]

How many people can leave after the crackdown without an ID, how could they show an ID to pass?

Would they not have been detained? Where are the 100 or 1000 people that had no ID card? The place was under lockdown out to the buses. Nobody left without an ID card did they, how do they board a bus home, to where?

It an interesting issue, Just asking the rest of the questions.

As far as getting a Redshirt card, well I have a Tesco and a Makro card. They have a mail list too.

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the party. McCarthy

[gotlost]

Even the sewers coughed up the evidence on the scum.

[Old Man River]

They were taking ID cards for a variety of reasons linked to protest numbers., This has been widely discussed over time and has been far too widely mentioned to be false. Looks like the evidence is here now. People at the national stadium without ID cards had their registration checked too before being sent home.

This is meaningless. They took pictures of everyone's ID card after the Songkran 2009 violence in Bangkok, but they really couldn't care less about these demonstrators (and they are right). What the authorities want is to find out who is financing the protests and who their leaders are. The rest is for show.

[hammered]

They were taking ID cards for a variety of reasons linked to protest numbers., This has been widely discussed over time and has been far too widely mentioned to be false. Looks like the evidence is here now. People at the national stadium without ID cards had their registration checked too before being sent home.

This is meaningless. They took pictures of everyone's ID card after the Songkran 2009 violence in Bangkok, but they really couldn't care less about these demonstrators (and they are right). What the authorities want is to find out who is financing the protests and who their leaders are. The rest is for show.

They seem to be well on the way to sorting out financing. I doubt PTPs little attempt to derail things with their lets all make Chalerm PM show will affect anything.

My point abve about ID cards was not aimed at deterrent effect ewtc but at the incorrectness of some posters who were saying the red demonstrators threw them away so authorities wouldnt know who they were

The finacial list is long and interesting and filled with very exploitative uber elites. Not very socialist that but then again the red leadership excepting maybe Veera never gave a monkeys about the poor.

[rabo]

or some were thrown away by their owners to conceal their identity.

in an another thread "Thailand-Live-Today-Live-Saturday" there is a quotation of not "over 100" but 1000 ID cards http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thailand-Liv...14#entry3631514 - we will never know the truth

Thai's don't throw away their identity cards, they would be in even more trouble if caught. The police do not say "No ID? Gosh, you sure got us this time, you can go".

[jybkk]

It seems that they also collected Credit/ATM Cards.

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It really seems to confirm that the whole ID thing was used make it difficult for some of the demonstrators to go home

The Bangkok Bank ATM card you see here can't be considered as an ID, they are all labeled "Best Valued Member"

I feel sad for Thailand, whatever the side, it is dirty tricks against dirty tricks.

[welbymd]

I might be getting off topic here, but after watching the video clip Som Tum Tiger posted, I'll take the chance since it was posted under this topic.

The expression of a picture is worth 1000 words gives me new meaning after watching this clip. I have been out of Thailand for the past 3 weeks and the news you get from the major international new organizations hasn't shown anything like this. That particular area of Bangkok looks like the inside of a bird cage that has not been cleaned for a long time, full of c**p.

Going out on another limb, maybe all the protesters should have been hired for 1000 baht a day to clean up the mess before getting a free ride home. It could be paid out of the "big guy's" confiscated money, and for a change the "poor" people would directly benefit instead of hearing words. From the looks of Bangkok, they might have been able to leave with a small fortune that way. It will take a long time to get back to anything resembling normalcy. The loss of lives..tragic. I feel sorry for the people who lost businesses and jobs over the riots and even sorrier for the people who have to clean up the mess. I hope this never happens again, but fear it isn't over yet. I haven't heard the fat lady sing.

Back on topic...do you really think anything will happen to the protesters? And if they do use the information on the cards found what could happen? There are too many to put them all in jail. Fine them? One of the protest points was the difference in classes...have vs have not's, if I remember correctly. So no fines can be paid, they don't have any money. Run the buses again and get them to help clean up as punishment, that is the most that can possibly happen.

Okay..open season on me? I'll put on my flak jacket now.

[granuaile]

Even the sewers coughed up the evidence on the scum.

Most of them are not scum. I am very opposed the redshirt movement because despite it's rhetoric and trappings it is clear what it is all about and it is not about social justice, poverty, etc., it is about one man. That said, most of the ordinary redshirts are just ordinary people - some were there because they were paid, some were there because they believed, and some were there for both reasons. The scum are those who knew that the real issue was one individual and who whosed terrorist tactics against the authorities, against society, and against those who opposed them Probably most of the leaders abeit perhaps not all, and most of the guards, were scum. Probably some of the rank and file too... butr most were probably ordiunary people, many with good hearts... Without knowing each individual case no one can say anything about the individuals these cards belong too...

Myself I think most redshirts are just like most Thai I know, decent people...

[KeyVisa]

Why on earth would you want to pay the protesters to pick up their own trash? They should be forced to do it.

[dttk0009]

It seems that they also collected Credit/ATM Cards.

NNA NEWS Facebook Album

It really seems to confirm that the whole ID thing was used make it difficult for some of the demonstrators to go home

The Bangkok Bank ATM card you see here can't be considered as an ID, they are all labeled "Best Valued Member"

I feel sad for Thailand, whatever the side, it is dirty tricks against dirty tricks.

We have to also keep in mind that this is most likely just the result of a last ditch effort to destroy evidence. How many more cards like these have been confiscated and destroyed over the course of the last 2 months? My guess is in the tens of thousands.

[bkkjames]

Personally I don't anything should or will happen to the peaceful protesters.

The ID card thing won't mean much other than some red leader decided not to return them - causing the people more headaches.

A bigger headache I imagine will come from the torching of all the provincial buildings and schools, as we are all very very familiar with the love of all things paper (stamped and signed).

As the old saying goes (in reference to the arsonists), smooth move Exlax.

[KireB]

Even the sewers coughed up the evidence on the scum.

Most of them are not scum. I am very opposed the redshirt movement because despite it's rhetoric and trappings it is clear what it is all about and it is not about social justice, poverty, etc., it is about one man. That said, most of the ordinary redshirts are just ordinary people - some were there because they were paid, some were there because they believed, and some were there for both reasons. The scum are those who knew that the real issue was one individual and who whosed terrorist tactics against the authorities, against society, and against those who opposed them Probably most of the leaders abeit perhaps not all, and most of the guards, were scum. Probably some of the rank and file too... butr most were probably ordiunary people, many with good hearts... Without knowing each individual case no one can say anything about the individuals these cards belong too...

Myself I think most redshirts are just like most Thai I know, decent people...

Well put!

[Tokay]

Understand losing the red cards, but the Thai IDs... they need those.

Hope these are not "missing" people.

[clown]

How many people can leave after the crackdown without an ID, how could they show an ID to pass?

Would they not have been detained? Where are the 100 or 1000 people that had no ID card? The place was under lockdown out to the buses. Nobody left without an ID card did they, how do they board a bus home, to where?

It an interesting issue, Just asking the rest of the questions.

As far as getting a Redshirt card, well I have a Tesco and a Makro card. They have a mail list too.

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the party. McCarthy

And you believe that? The government said that nobody would be allowed to leave the protest site without showing an ID card ...but how many were actually checked? This is Thailand. The sun is hot and the officials are too lazy to check everyone's ID card.

[OzMick]

Personally I don't anything should or will happen to the peaceful protesters.

The ID card thing won't mean much other than some red leader decided not to return them - causing the people more headaches.

A bigger headache I imagine will come from the torching of all the provincial buildings and schools, as we are all very very familiar with the love of all things paper (stamped and signed).

As the old saying goes (in reference to the arsonists), smooth move Exlax.

Up north they were taken before a judge and those with no prior criminal record were give 1 yr suspended for 2, any criminal act in the next 2 yrs and you start off with a year before the other offence is considered. Sounds fair to me, and should deter some interference in the next election.

Edited May 22, 2010 by OzMick

[souvenirdeparis]

or some were thrown away by their owners to conceal their identity.

in an another thread "Thailand-Live-Today-Live-Saturday" there is a quotation of 1000 cards http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thailand-Liv...14#entry3631514 - we will never know the truth

if they wanted to do that then they would destroy them! all reds are not the bad guys!

this is just another example of poor people being exploited plain and simple, most of the protesters were paid and given food and also you have to remember alot of the people from rural thailand are simple people and dont have much how do i say savvy

the method smacks of papa-mama san .

[givenall]

or some were thrown away by their owners to conceal their identity.

in an another thread "Thailand-Live-Today-Live-Saturday" there is a quotation of not "over 100" but 1000 ID cards http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thailand-Liv...14#entry3631514 - we will never know the truth

So they are not proud to be Red Shirts?

[RKASA]

I think with all the bank cards and a closer check you may find that someone in the mall before the rally was making a lot of money and that is the stolen cards they dumped. They may not even be related to the rally people.

[tw25rw]

Myself I think most redshirts are just like most Thai I know, decent people...

And if they have half a brain they'll dissociate themselves from the entire red shirt movement and any other organisation linked with Thaksin or his revolutionary allies.

[RKASA]

Poor Isaan farmers willing to protest for 500 baht a day are required to turn all their Citibank/Mastercard credit cards. Red shirt headquarters will use them to buy tires. Now they can't leave because they can't get a lemo without the ATM card. What's wrong with this picture folks?