Red Shirts Promise Rally Of 'Unprecedented Numbers'

[webfact]

Red shirts promise rally of 'unprecedented numbers'

By THE NATION

Published on February 17, 2011

The red shirts will hold a mass rally on Saturday to protest against the detention without bail of their seven leaders, lead organiser Thida Thawornseth said yesterday, highlighting the planned march around Bangkok.

"On February 19, the red shirts will show up in unprecedented numbers," Thida said, hinting at a show of strength ahead of Monday's bail hearing for the seven leaders.

The planned activities include the kick-off of the rally at Ratchaprasong at 1pm and march to the Supreme Court building near Sanam Luang at 3pm, via Pratunam, New Phetchburi Road and Rajdamnoen Avenue.

Following the afternoon rally at the high court, the red shirts will gather for their evening activities at Democracy Monument.

Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan called on the Criminal Court to grant bail to all seven leaders and not selectively release just some of them. He said he had heard the court might approve two of seven bail applications.

"Should the bail be approved just for Kokaew Pikulthong and Weng Tojirakarn, then I object," he said,

threatening to double the number of protesters for every bail rejection.

He said he was willing to renounce his parliamentary immunity in order to be in prison along with the seven.

Jatuporn claimed the court had failed to spell out why the seven were held on remand despite several attempts to seek their temporary release.

Under similar charges and circumstances, yellow shirts had been freed but not the red shirts, he said.

"I am not criticising the court but invoking my legislative right to air my view," he said.

He said he could no longer keep silent after the yellow shirts, who face the same charges related to terrorism, were granted bail.

Activist Nathee Sornwaree said red splinter groups, including Daeng Siam, would hold separate activities at Wat Pathum Wanaram, coinciding with Saturday's rally.

The activities, including the release of paper birds to oppose violence, will be in memory of those killed at the temple ground last year, he said.

-- The Nation 2011-02-17

[Tokay]

And nothing will be accomplished other than local businesses hurt and huge traffic jams.

These goons need to hang it up already. They had their chance and they called it off and went home.

[siampolee]

Jatuporn He said he was willing to renounce his parliamentary immunity in order to be in prison along with the seven.

Does this statement by Jatuporn imply that possibly his testicles have dropped ?

Edited February 17, 2011 by siampolee

[timekeeper]

"On February 19, the red shirts will show up in unprecedented numbers,"

unprecedented numbers?

15-20 then?

[webfact]

Related topic:

Metro police ready to secure UDD rally on 19 Feb

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[Robby nz]

Jatuporn He said he was willing to renounce his parliamentary immunity in order to be in prison along with the seven.

Does this statement by Jatuporn imply that possibly his testicles have dropped ?

Nope, just the usual BS from his fat mouth.

He already had the opportunity to join them, all he had to do was not apply for bail.

Still no word on helping the hundred or so others who are locked up around the country waiting for someone (the Govt) to provide bail.

[otherstuff1957]

Well, it is almost Red Riot Season again.

[Nisa]

Something just seems very wrong with the fact these lunatics keep using reasons to hold these rallies that only relate to the consequences of the rally (rioting) last year.

Even though they turned down early elections last year (that would have already happened) and walked away with nothing but causing pain for themselves and all the people of Thailand they continue to stage these events where they continue to get bolder and provoke police as they did last year. Do they really expect to see a different result?

They are not using these rallies to get a message out .. they are using them to intimidate and inconvenience the country to get their way.

Why are they not forced to pay for the added police presence as well as compensating those people and businesses that are effected by these constant gatherings? Ok, let them do it once but to do this nonsense every other week (or more) is excessive.

I personally predict that they are going to get very bold this time around and may actually once again try to spur a revolution or cripple the government. Somebody should tell them before hand this only works in a country where the people want one. One can only imagine how well off these so called poor farmers would be if they used the resources they continue to waste on these gatherings to help advance their own lives.

[REM]

Something just seems very wrong with the fact these lunatics keep using reasons to hold these rallies that only relate to the consequences of the rally (rioting) last year.

Even though they turned down early elections last year (that would have already happened) and walked away with nothing but causing pain for themselves and all the people of Thailand they continue to stage these events where they continue to get bolder and provoke police as they did last year. Do they really expect to see a different result?

They are not using these rallies to get a message out .. they are using them to intimidate and inconvenience the country to get their way.

Why are they not forced to pay for the added police presence as well as compensating those people and businesses that are effected by these constant gatherings? Ok, let them do it once but to do this nonsense every other week (or more) is excessive.

I personally predict that they are going to get very bold this time around and may actually once again try to spur a revolution or cripple the government. Somebody should tell them before hand this only works in a country where the people want one. One can only imagine how well off these so called poor farmers would be if they used the resources they continue to waste on these gatherings to help advance their own lives.

Good points, I'm in 100% agreement with you.

[hyperdimension]

What is the legality and cost for anyone or group to hold a street party?

Surely if someone wanted to hold a street party for other causes such as charity or marketing a new product, there would be proper procedure and costs involved wouldn't there?

I wonder what legal procedures the UDD have gone through and what they have paid to hold their now frequent street events.

Edited February 17, 2011 by hyperdimension

[Bagwan]

Wasn't the original message that 1 million would turn up to demonstrate? And now it is unprecedented numbers which I think is supposed to interpret as more than 100,000. I look forward to egg on face on Monday morning.

[Buchholz]

"Should the bail be approved just for Kokaew Pikulthong and Weng Tojirakarn, then I object," he said

Guess this signals a change for the Red Shirts from when they specifically targeted bail on an individual basis...

UDD lawyer to seek bail appeals for Korkaew, Weng

BANGKOK (NNT) -- Lawyer of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) is seeking the court's approval for temporary releases of two key anti-government leaders, currently held on charges of terrorism.

Mr Winyat Chatmontri, lawyer representing the UDD will on 3 August ask the court for the temporary releases of Mr Korkaew Pikulthong and MD Weng Tojirakarn, who have been held on at the Bangkok Remand Prison on charges of terrorism. The lawyer said Mr Korkaew would post a bail of 2 million THB in cash, while MD Weng would put up 2-million-THB in cash and a piece of land worth 7 million THB as collateral for the bail appeal.

On Friday, the Criminal Court released Veera Musikapong on 6-million-THB cash bail.

Speaking of Kokaew (above) specifically, if he had won the MP by-election when Pheu Thai Party stupidly selected an incarcerated Red Shirt terrorist suspect as their candidate, he could have been released and donned a suit on the same basis as Red Shirt Leader and Pheu Thai Party MP and fellow terrorist suspect Jatuporn...

.

Edited February 17, 2011 by Buchholz

[h90]

Well, it is almost Red Riot Season again.

That is a bit before April or?

Raining season

New Year

Red Riot Season

Yellow Government house season

Every year same same....

[Bagwan]

Which hotel is he staying at? Obviously not stuck with a dozen or so others in a cell. Prison staff augmenting their income?

I'm surprised that he is in chains. It is about time this barbaric practice was ditched - for all inmates.

[PoorSucker]

Under similar charges and circumstances, yellow shirts had been freed but not the red shirts, he said.

Well, the yellow shirt has not escaped to Cambodia.

[Nisa]

Under similar charges and circumstances, yellow shirts had been freed but not the red shirts, he said.

Well, the yellow shirt has not escaped to Cambodia.

I personally get irritated every time they bring up Yellows (who I have no respect for) in justifying what they do wrong or what they expect. It is like a murderer in the US telling the jury they should go free because OJ was aquitted. But more importantly their comparisons are never the same or they have to go back under a different administration and what happened then as a way to justify their wanting things to continue (at least for them) in a non-lawful or just manner.

However I do think these folks should be allowed very high bail (if no obvious flight risks) at this point but it should be revoked the moment they take part in a rally (as has already happened) and then NEVER be reinstated. In believing that should be allowed bail I have to set aside the overwhelming feeling to deny them any leniency because of what their red comrades continue to do in Bangkok multiple times a month.

[Buchholz]

UDD confirms to rally on 19 Feb

BANGKOK, 17 February 2011 (NNT) – The anti-government United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), the red shirt, has confirmed that its rally on Sunday 19 February 2011 is going on as planned, but the group will make some adjustments in terms of the rally site and schedule.

UDD Spokesperson Worawut Wichaidit has confirmed that the group will gather on 19 February, but the time will have to be changed a bit since Her Royal Highness Princess Ubolratana will be performing a ceremony around the Erawan Shrine, in the heart of Ratchaprasong in the evening.

Earlier, the UDD had planned to converge on the Ratchaprasong intersection in the afternoon til the evening. According to the new schedule, the red-shirted protesters will rally at the shopping district only from 13.00 to 15.00 hrs; then march on to lay roses at the Supreme Court building, and gather again at the Democracy Monument.

The spokesperson said the rally schedule adjustments were made for the sake of national order, as well to ensure that business entrepreneurs at Ratchaprasong would be least affected.

Acting UDD Chairperson Thida Thavornsret added that the UDD would remain at the Democracy Monument until late Sunday, similar to what they did last time. She also believed that the size of the crowd would be larger this time given the court would consider the bail request for the UDD core leaders on 21 February, two days after the rally.

Outspoken UDD Deputy Chairperson and Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Prompan disclosed that rumors were spreading that only the core leaders with no prior violent behavior would be released, including Medical Doctor Weng Tojirakarn and Mr Korkaew Pikulthong.

The other five UDD core leaders who have been detained in Bangkok Remand Prison on terrorism charges are UDD Secretary-General Nattawut Saikua, Mr Nisit Sinthuprai, Mr Kwanchai Praipana, Mr Viputhalaeng Pattanaphumthai and Mr Yosawarit Chuklom or Jeng Dokjik.

-- NNT 2011-02-17

[phiphidon]

Under similar charges and circumstances, yellow shirts had been freed but not the red shirts, he said.

Well, the yellow shirt has not escaped to Cambodia.

Well I know there is definitely one over there .

[animatic]

Jatuporn He said he was willing to renounce his parliamentary immunity in order to be in prison along with the seven.

Does this statement by Jatuporn imply that possibly his testicles have dropped ?

Ah the joy of the possibility is beyond measure.

The silence would be golden!

[janverbeem]

Under similar charges and circumstances, yellow shirts had been freed but not the red shirts, he said.

Well, the yellow shirt has not escaped to Cambodia.

Maybe that's because they don't like them overthere.

[animatic]

Wasn't the original message that 1 million would turn up to demonstrate? And now it is unprecedented numbers which I think is supposed to interpret as more than 100,000. I look forward to egg on face on Monday morning.

Thailand doesn't use precedent law, so their attempts at setting precedents is ridiculous.

[bitterbatter]

Was he speaking English when he said this?

How do you say 'unprecedented' in Thai?

yut maak?

[janverbeem]

Was he speaking English when he said this?

How do you say 'unprecedented' in Thai?

yut maak?

yu yu

[Macmundi]

"Should the bail be approved just for Kokaew Pikulthong and Weng Tojirakarn, then I object," he said

Guess this signals a change for the Red Shirts from when they specifically targeted bail on an individual basis...

UDD lawyer to seek bail appeals for Korkaew, Weng

BANGKOK (NNT) -- Lawyer of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) is seeking the court's approval for temporary releases of two key anti-government leaders, currently held on charges of terrorism.

Mr Winyat Chatmontri, lawyer representing the UDD will on 3 August ask the court for the temporary releases of Mr Korkaew Pikulthong and MD Weng Tojirakarn, who have been held on at the Bangkok Remand Prison on charges of terrorism. The lawyer said Mr Korkaew would post a bail of 2 million THB in cash, while MD Weng would put up 2-million-THB in cash and a piece of land worth 7 million THB as collateral for the bail appeal.

On Friday, the Criminal Court released Veera Musikapong on 6-million-THB cash bail.

Speaking of Kokaew (above) specifically, if he had won the MP by-election when Pheu Thai Party stupidly selected an incarcerated Red Shirt terrorist suspect as their candidate, he could have been released and donned a suit on the same basis as Red Shirt Leader and Pheu Thai Party MP and fellow terrorist suspect Jatuporn...

.

Perhaps they are tired of seeing him do the leg spread, but the shackles look good on Korkaew. They should weld it on permanently.! And here Jatuporno looks like he's about to swear at someone... as usual..

Edited February 17, 2011 by Macmundi

[thaikahuna]

And nothing will be accomplished other than local businesses hurt and huge traffic jams.

These goons need to hang it up already. They had their chance and they called it off and went home.

We all know what happened last Spring with this crap. Is there a repeat in the offing? I think it is a real possibility if the cry babys don't get their way...

[Pi Sek]

I personally get irritated every time they bring up Yellows (who I have no respect for) in justifying what they do wrong or what they expect. It is like a murderer in the US telling the jury they should go free because OJ was aquitted. But more importantly their comparisons are never the same or they have to go back under a different administration and what happened then as a way to justify their wanting things to continue (at least for them) in a non-lawful or just manner.

However I do think these folks should be allowed very high bail (if no obvious flight risks) at this point but it should be revoked the moment they take part in a rally (as has already happened) and then NEVER be reinstated. In believing that should be allowed bail I have to set aside the overwhelming feeling to deny them any leniency because of what their red comrades continue to do in Bangkok multiple times a month.

There are many people on these fora who would see your viewpoint as hardline or fascist... not to mention the common self-apology of double standards.

I would not, however, and in fact I would say your proposal is over-generous - the PAD's airport case was criminal trespassing on a mass scale (wrong, huge damages but, at the end of the day, just a case of trespassing) and so the terrorism charges cannot be upheld. I do hope they don't get off and actually get convicted of the trespassing though. I also hope the pockets of non-peaceful protesters (e.g. the PAD guard seen on TV with a pistol) get charged accordingly - although, if the weapon is legal, the shooter could easily claim to be acting in self defence (especially if the guy in question had a carry-license as many PAD and UDD guards do).

The UDD's 2010 case is mass arson, looting, infraction of civil rights, murder, insurgency and terrorism amongst other offences - and, with the evidence available, these are all quite easy to prosecute. The charges are comparable, but the convictions won't be - and all for good legal reasons. And then we'll hear yet more calls of "double standards" for the pro-UDD crowd. But how can you equate passively sitting in an airport in large numbers for several days with actively taking over a square mile of Bangkok and violently overturning the rule of Law, followed by rioting and arson (assuming of course that the protesters did all this, which is, as far as I know, disputed by two people - Jatuporn Promphan and Thaivisa's bulmercke)?

[Steely Dan]

Under similar charges and circumstances, yellow shirts had been freed but not the red shirts, he said.

Well, the yellow shirt has not escaped to Cambodia.

The yellow shirts seem intent on invading Cambodia, no doubt to flush out red shirt fugitives who are living there.

[ndw]

One can only imagine how well off these so called poor farmers would be if they used the resources they continue to waste on these gatherings to help advance their own lives.

The resources used for these rallies do not come from the farmers. These rallies are being paid for by the people who would benefit from a successful outcome. The poor farmers are just taking the money and doing what they are told to do.

[Kanchalee]

Something just seems very wrong with the fact these lunatics keep using reasons to hold these rallies that only relate to the consequences of the rally (rioting) last year.

Even though they turned down early elections last year (that would have already happened) and walked away with nothing but causing pain for themselves and all the people of Thailand they continue to stage these events where they continue to get bolder and provoke police as they did last year. Do they really expect to see a different result?

They are not using these rallies to get a message out .. they are using them to intimidate and inconvenience the country to get their way.

Why are they not forced to pay for the added police presence as well as compensating those people and businesses that are effected by these constant gatherings? Ok, let them do it once but to do this nonsense every other week (or more) is excessive.

I personally predict that they are going to get very bold this time around and may actually once again try to spur a revolution or cripple the government. Somebody should tell them before hand this only works in a country where the people want one. One can only imagine how well off these so called poor farmers would be if they used the resources they continue to waste on these gatherings to help advance their own lives.

This last paragraph is the issue... "This only works in a Country that wants one.... etc" And thats the whole problem. Many many people of this country do want one>

Good points, I'm in 100% agreement with you.

Edited February 17, 2011 by webfact
Quote fixed /Admin

[Skywalker69]

Well, it is almost Red Riot Season again.

That is a bit before April or?

Raining season

New Year

Red Riot Season

Yellow Government house season

Every year same same....

And it will go on as long as the "Big One" is alive!!