130 M16s, Other Guns Stolen From Thai Army Depot

[rubl]

Yes but not any M-16 were stollen, right?

No.

But there was a case in Afghanistan of hundreds of AK-47s stolen from a US weapons bunker by a Blackwater employee, who checked them out using the name Eric Cartman (from South Park). The US military officer on duty at the time was a friend of a Blackwater employee. Hundreds of the guns were never recovered and have disappeared.

So, US troops have AK-47 but Thai Army don't have it? That's what the expert said about killed Japanese reporter. How strange.

I must admit I do not really see the relation between what the USA might have stored in a bunker in Afghanistan and what the Thai army uses. Furthermore the link from that to what killed the Japanese photographer really escapes me. The Dutch Army doesn't have AK-47 either apart from a few left over from 'know your enemy' courses. Is that suspect also ?

Edited March 4, 2011 by rubl

[softgeorge]

and they want to build a Nuclear Power Plant.

The Isaan Farmers group, an extremist splinter group, of the red shirt movement are believed to be behind the disappearance of a number of uranium rods. When pressed on the issue Abhisit replied " We have to believe they have ill intentions and a 'dirty bomb' is possible. Our intelligence shows they have the tecnology down on the farm to make this a real threat"

Madness, pure madness if PM of any country stat this crap and nothing happens after that. No one in jail, no any crack down on those farms, even PM siad"Our intelligence shows they have the technology down on the farm to make this a real threat"...

Maybe i missed some news that some one was arrested about having this?

Otherwise i have no way than to think someone is spreading fear, making enemies inside and outside of country like some fascists do in history of human kind. Unbelievable statement of PM.

Is this his statement true?

COME IN SPINNER :D Tagged and Bagged

[stepenwolf1958]

So, US troops have AK-47 but Thai Army don't have it? That's what the expert said about killed Japanese reporter. How strange.

No, the AK47s were meant for the ANA.

My point was in the other way but speaking about US Army, they have some units who are trained to use AK47 as on many battlefields where US is engaged, is in use. So as it's needed for training, it is in their arsenal.

[bangon04]

and they want to build a Nuclear Power Plant.

The Isaan Farmers group, an extremist splinter group, of the red shirt movement are believed to be behind the disappearance of a number of uranium rods. When pressed on the issue Abhisit replied " We have to believe they have ill intentions and a 'dirty bomb' is possible. Our intelligence shows they have the tecnology down on the farm to make this a real threat"

Don't worry, they will never get past the police road blocks with it......................................................unless they have plenty of tea money with them.

In order to make the police effctive at stopping radioactive materials passing their roadblocks, they will have to buy the latest G22000 geiger counters, provided by the nice man who sold the bomb detectors. They are the cutting edge of technology, using state of the art TV remote controls with a wire coathanger shaped to the exact angle needed for uranium. And a bargain at 2000 dollars each. Thailand would only need maybe 50000 of them, as long as K Porntip certifies the effective range as above 1km.

[bangon04]

So, US troops have AK-47 but Thai Army don't have it? That's what the expert said about killed Japanese reporter. How strange.

No, the AK47s were meant for the ANA.

Is ANA having trouble with unruly passengers at its check in desks at Narita? Surely AK47s are a bit cumbersone for the air marshalls to hide in their jacket pockets....

[rubl]

When dear member truthailand mentioned IFG and nuclear fuel rods he was just poking fun at the more gullible members here. No need to discuss any further.

[termad]

This happened last year also, the reds were blamed, people panicked, SoE etc, used by the government to discredit the reds, then is was discovered the soldiers had been selling the weapon in the South.

pathetic, alsong with the posters on here that believe these things

It is quite obvious that these weapons were stolen so that they can be ready for issue to Mark Abhisit's bodyguards when they have to cover Abhisit's post election flight from Thailand - one step ahead of the ICC.

Edited March 4, 2011 by termad

[jdinasia]

The vast majority of the Thai army, those who populate the lower echelons (read "guards" as well), are made up from the poorer parts of the country, particularly the Northeast, hotbed of red activity. Only the hi-so Thai/Chinese-type become the generals and commanders. There's not a lot of loyalty between the two groups, which of course, mirrors Thai society. I'm sure you can draw the inferences from there.

??

Did you miss out on who led the last coup? Hint --- NOT Thai Chinese.

Strange that the first post was one decrying that the reds would be blamed .. when most people would think that it was theft for profit. Then another red-leaning (ok .. just red) member says he saw an interview where the peaceful democracy loving reds were admitting to buying weapons?

The world just keeps getting stranger on TVF

[termad]

The vast majority of the Thai army, those who populate the lower echelons (read "guards" as well), are made up from the poorer parts of the country, particularly the Northeast, hotbed of red activity. Only the hi-so Thai/Chinese-type become the generals and commanders. There's not a lot of loyalty between the two groups, which of course, mirrors Thai society. I'm sure you can draw the inferences from there.

??

Did you miss out on who led the last coup? Hint --- NOT Thai Chinese.

Strange that the first post was one decrying that the reds would be blamed .. when most people would think that it was theft for profit. Then another red-leaning (ok .. just red) member says he saw an interview where the peaceful democracy loving reds were admitting to buying weapons?

The world just keeps getting stranger on TVF

Can you then share with everybody who it was who led the last Coup?

[stepenwolf1958]

Yes but not any M-16 were stollen, right?

No.

But there was a case in Afghanistan of hundreds of AK-47s stolen from a US weapons bunker by a Blackwater employee, who checked them out using the name Eric Cartman (from South Park). The US military officer on duty at the time was a friend of a Blackwater employee. Hundreds of the guns were never recovered and have disappeared.

So, US troops have AK-47 but Thai Army don't have it? That's what the expert said about killed Japanese reporter. How strange.

I must admit I do not really see the relation between what the USA might have stored in a bunker in Afghanistan and what the Thai army uses. Furthermore the link from that to what killed the Japanese photographer really escapes me. The Dutch Army doesn't have AK-47 either apart from a few left over from 'know your enemy' courses. Is that suspect also ?

Ok Rubi, you owe me one now. i will try to explain to you now.

My point was, if modern army as US is, have it in arsenal, in purpose to train some units for combat because in many countries where US troops are engaged-there are plenty of AK guns so they need to be trained for use. Follow me?

So, if modern army as US is, have it(any purpose) it is impossible that the ARmy of one developing country don't have it.

But that is the point.

Here, ONE man and after the GROUP of expert's opinion, claimed opposite than that group. He stated reporter was not killed by M-16 but AK-47. That should to be understood the Army troops didn't kill him-as it was said Army don't have it in arsenal, which is not truth. I showed you logic.

In that statement between the lines, you could see WHO did it - if not soldiers. First your thought is? So, that ONE man, denied opinion of group of professionals so it can not be nothing else as reason than he stated that as he is instructed to say that.

But, in counter question i would ask him who killed those 8 civilians in the temple? Was that also by AK-47?

That's is my point.

[rubl]

The vast majority of the Thai army, those who populate the lower echelons (read "guards" as well), are made up from the poorer parts of the country, particularly the Northeast, hotbed of red activity. Only the hi-so Thai/Chinese-type become the generals and commanders. There's not a lot of loyalty between the two groups, which of course, mirrors Thai society. I'm sure you can draw the inferences from there.

??

Did you miss out on who led the last coup? Hint --- NOT Thai Chinese.

Strange that the first post was one decrying that the reds would be blamed .. when most people would think that it was theft for profit. Then another red-leaning (ok .. just red) member says he saw an interview where the peaceful democracy loving reds were admitting to buying weapons?

The world just keeps getting stranger on TVF

Now remind me please, which one of k. Thaksin's cousins is an army general ? Wasn't that general Chaiyasit Shinawatra raised to Army commander-in-chief in august 2003 and replaced after a year for not being able to control the Southern Thai insurrection? Both raised and replaced by his relative, Thai idol k. Thaksin? Thai-Chinese types? What's wrong with that?

[jdinasia]

LOL Rubl ---

It is others and not me that have any issue with the Thai-Chinese I was just pointing out that it was a well respected Muslim that was the face of the 2006 coup (which had the anti-muslim folks screaming instead of the anti-Th/Ch folks screaming

[animatic]

LOL Rubl ---

It is others and not me that have any issue with the Thai-Chinese I was just pointing out that it was a well respected Muslim that was the face of the 2006 coup (which had the anti-muslim folks screaming instead of the anti-Th/Ch folks screaming

I suspect he was able to pull it off precisely because he had so few connections to the Chinese/Thai elite and so many fewer debts to pay off/ spread around afterwards. And it was so peaceful, because the two main Chinese factions were mostly taken by surprise, had so few hooks into him before hand, and have been trying to recover equilibrium ever since.

Edited March 4, 2011 by animatic

[mogoso]

In order to make the police effctive at stopping radioactive materials passing their roadblocks, they will have to buy the latest G22000 geiger counters, provided by the nice man who sold the bomb detectors. They are the cutting edge of technology, using state of the art TV remote controls with a wire coathanger shaped to the exact angle needed for uranium. And a bargain at 2000 dollars each. Thailand would only need maybe 50000 of them, as long as K Porntip certifies the effective range as above 1km.

It takes a skilled technician to shape that coat hanger just so. Imagine the minute or two effort it required. If not done correctly your meter might pickup buffalo flatulence a danger in itself, or even Union members a danger to the whole world it seems.

[jdinasia]

Not exactly off-topic (but not on topic either) offered to rebut something I saw in a nested quote above ...

US Army loses another 12,000 guns and trucks

IAN BRUCE, DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT

<a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/us-army-loses-another-12-000-guns-and-trucks-1.871002#have-your-say"'>http://www.heraldscotland.com/us-army-loses-another-12-000-guns-and-trucks-1.871002#have-your-say" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(27, 109, 174); ">17 Dec 2007

The US military in Iraq has lost track of another 12,000 weapons, including more than 800 machine-guns, and everything from 2100 new electricity generators to half a dozen garbage trucks.

The US military in Iraq has lost track of another 12,000 weapons, including more than 800 machine-guns, and everything from 2100 new electricity generators to half a dozen garbage trucks.

The latest gap in record-keeping follows a report by the US government's accountability office in the summer which revealed that 190,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles and automatic pistols earmarked for Iraqi government forces had gone astray in 2004 and 2005 and could be in insurgent hands.

The US Defence Department said an audit between March and May this year could trace only £41m-worth of armoured vehicles and other equipment worth more than £500m which was supposed to be part of Iraq's police and army training and outfitting package.

Items which had disappeared without leaving a paper trail included 2300 rocket-propelled grenade launchers, 7000 pistols and 18 heavy recovery vehicles worth £5m.

More than 2100 of 2900 electricity generators - scarce and expensive in a country where mains supplies have become erratic - have also vanished. They cost £3.5m to buy.

Source ----- http://www.heraldscotland.com/us-army-loses-another-12-000-guns-and-trucks-1.871002

[termad]

LOL Rubl ---

It is others and not me that have any issue with the Thai-Chinese I was just pointing out that it was a well respected Muslim that was the face of the 2006 coup (which had the anti-muslim folks screaming instead of the anti-Th/Ch folks screaming

'The face of' and that's it.

Edited March 4, 2011 by termad

[mark45y]

So, US troops have AK-47 but Thai Army don't have it? That's what the expert said about killed Japanese reporter. How strange.

No, the AK47s were meant for the ANA.

My point was in the other way but speaking about US Army, they have some units who are trained to use AK47 as on many battlefields where US is engaged, is in use. So as it's needed for training, it is in their arsenal.

I was a soldier in the US Army and I never trained with an AK-47. Never saw one till I got into combat. Do you think I would have grabbed an AK instead of my M-16? Where would I get the ammo? Do you really think the US keeps AK's in stock? I have never met a US soldier that was trained with an AK-47. Maybe there are some but I never met one. Do I know how to fire an AK-47? Sure but I learned that overseas not in training in the States.

It takes about a minute to master an AK.

[rubl]

Catching up with my reading.

AK-47: Firing the 7.62x39mm cartridge, the AK-47 produces significant wounding effects when the projectile tumbles and fragments in tissue; but it produces relatively minor wounds when the projectile exits the body before beginning to yaw.

M-16: The M16 rifle fires the 5.56x45mm cartridge and can produce massive wounding effects when the bullet impacts at high velocity and yaws in tissue leading to fragmentation and rapid transfer of energy.

Conclusion: both nasty!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak-47

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle

[MikeOboe57]

So, US troops have AK-47 but Thai Army don't have it? That's what the expert said about killed Japanese reporter. How strange.

No, the AK47s were meant for the ANA.

Is ANA having trouble with unruly passengers at its check in desks at Narita? Surely AK47s are a bit cumbersone for the air marshalls to hide in their jacket pockets....

ANA is the Afghan National Army. Locals trained by ISAF to be the future army of Afghanistan once ISAF has left. They are supposed to work for the Afghan Government but occasionally carry out tasks for the Taliban or Al-Quaeda.

[Exsexyman]

I was in the U.S. Army for 20 years and never saw weapons stolen. It's easier to get into a bank than the weapons room on a U.S. military base.

You forget that little incident in San Diego where a TANK was stolen and went on a rampage in the city?

The guy drove to a National Guard Armory and the gate was unguarded and unlocked, he went in and drove off with a tank and started crushing vehicles, and was only stopped when he got stuck on a highway divider.

Yes but not any M-16 were stollen, right?

It is easier to get into a bank than a weapons room on a US military base! What planet are you on? Nobody needs to worry about breaking into a weapons room in the good old US of A do they? Anybody can walk into a store and buy one, cash! People with a history of mental illness, high school kids stoned out of their minds, you name it. Happens on what seems to be a weekly basis. Nutters walking into schools, shopping malls, political rallies etc, and blowing people away, with state of the art weapons. All perfectly legal. And afterwards all the hand wringing hypocrisy. Unbelievable! No American citizen in Thailand is in any position to criticize the availability of guns falling into the wrong hands here, stolen or otherwise.

[xen]

How the hell can the weapons go missing, surely they have an Armoury?

One would think that within their management procedures of the base there would be a daily/weekly audits of the weapony to at least slow down the loss of weapons. ...................Then again , maybe not. ...............How much food goes missing from the kitchens or pens from the stationary cupboard.

[Tatsujin]

I think it's the Thai's doing their best for the world by putting underground/black-market arms dealers out of business . . . after all, you don't need them now when you can just walk off with the weapons here (again) in Thailand <grins>.

Edited March 4, 2011 by Tatsujin

[webfact]

UPDATE

Missing Weapons Case Blamed on Misunderstanding

An army infantry center in Prachuab Khiri Khan province says that case of a large cache of missing weapons and ammunition was due to a misunderstanding in the accounting department and refuses to disclose further details.

Earlier yesterday, an officer from Thanarat Army Camp in Prachuab Khiri Khan's Pranburi district filed a complaint with Pranburi police that a large number of weapons and ammunition were missing from the 1st Infantry Battalion's arsenal.

The weapons believed to be missing included 117 M-16 assault rifles, ten 11-millimeter handguns, ten rocket-propelled grenades, five M-79 grenade launchers, four M-60 light machine guns, one 60-millimeter mortar and four M-249 mini-light machine guns.

The Thannarat Army Camp has called a meeting with related military officials to discuss the case. A group of military officers later traveled to Pranburi police station to give their testimonies, saying that yesterday's complaint about the missing weapons was a case of misunderstanding by the accounting department and that all the missing weapons were accounted for. Police then decided to close the case.

Nonetheless, security has been tightened at Thanarat Army Camp and inspection is conducted on individuals leaving and entering the area.

The army has yet to provide further information about the case.

Contradicting this scenario, Army Spokesman Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd stated that the report on missing weapons from the army camp in Prachuab Khiri Khan is true and an investigation panel has been established to find facts about the case.

-- Tan Network 2011-03-05

[webfact]

UPDATE

Missing arms armoury loses cache of war weapons

By The Nation

New battalion commander ordered inventory count to 'protect himself'

Just a few months after a large number of military weapons went missing from the Army's main arms depot in Lop Buri, 130 M16 assault rifles along with other items have disappeared from an armoury in the Army's Infantry Centre in Prachuap Khiri Khan.

A recent count showed that the items have been missing since October, and an officer in charge of the armoury has also disappeared. The company commander supervising the armoury has allegedly already undergone investigation over the issue.

Meanwhile, Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwan declined to comment on the issue, saying that Army chief General Prayuth Chanocha would issue a statement. Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva also refused to comment, saying he was waiting for a detailed report.

The missing weapons hit the headlines after the new battalion commander filed a complaint with the Pran Buri police station reporting the loss. The unnamed officer reportedly ordered a weapons count to protect himself, though it is thought he was aware of the arms shortage before taking his new post.

Army spokesman Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd said the missing items could have been lent to other units, as the Infantry Centre serves as the Army's training unit in field exercises for all military schools.

"A burglary is doubtful because there are no signs of a breakin," he added.

A number of the missing M16s were taken out of the armoury through repair orders, but never returned. A number of personnel in charge of the inventory also disappeared before this news broke.

"The Army doesn't want to cover up the issue, otherwise a complaint would not have been lodged with the police in the first place. We have nothing to hide. We want to find the wrongdoers and punish them," Sansern said.

"I would like to insist that the weaponschecking mechanism is good and regularly supervised, but the personnel behind the loss are not good people," he said, adding that a weapons check had been ordered at all Army units as a result of this incident.

Apart from the 130 M16 rifles, the other missing items include an unknown number of Belgianmade M249 light machineguns, 11mm pistols, 60mm mortars and a large number of ammunitions for each item. The armoury belongs to 1st Infantry Battalion at the Infantry Centre.

In a speech at a defence seminar, before he learned about the loss of weapons, Abhisit said Thailand was capable of manufacturing weapons both on its own and under licence, and could save a fair chunk of the defence budget each year.

"But we are not ready to manufacture weapons and sell them overseas," he added.

The Defence Ministry oversees 48 armsproduction outlets and 29 contractors that provide repair and maintenance services, in addition to the 38 companies capable of repairing boats and Navy vessels.

The opposition Pheu Thai Party has called on Abhisit to supervise the Army's investigation into the loss of weapons. Party spokesman Promphong Nopparit said he was worried that the missing weapons might be used by "a third party" against red shirts in coming rallies.

-- The Nation 2011-03-05

[Tatsujin]

Oh, so now they were already missing since October? And it's not just M16's but RPG's, mortars and LMG's? It just gets better and better . . . what a country! lol

[tracker1]

Maybe they had aussie politicans write up a policy or guarding them ! Look how incompetent they are it has happened here before and nobody knows nothing ! and no body has returned them

[kennalder]

Why there is picture of FN Minimi when M16 were stolen?

Maybe they didn't have a "file photo", and now they have NONE left to take a picture of.

[rfukata]

Here we go.....Reds stole them right? gives the illegitimate government an excuse to shoot innocents again, next major protest watch the blood in the streets..... sadly.....

Maybe yellow-shirts wanting to march on Cambodia, maybe rebels from down South, maybe some enterprising businessmen, maybe etc., etc.

As for next major protest, that will be on the 11th I think. Should be really peaceful although a bit of a traffic jam around Democracy Monument. Road rage may be expected

Maybe to complicate the jury findings of the military firing of Reuters cameramen Marumoto during the red protest last year, wasn't it a M16 in question?

[drdoom6996]

Accountability is the main problem here. The military controls the government, not the other way round, and the military is just as corrupt, inept and useless as any other branch of Thai society with few exceptions.

Yes I agree with the fact that accountability is the problem. But because nobody is accountable to anyone for anything except for the "TEA MONEY". Everyone wants their piece of the pie, but they don't want to do anything for it. GRAFT, in my opinion, is the biggest problem in Thailand. And by eliminating GRAFT the other problems will become smaller if not gone.

[AllanB]

Does it make a whole lot of difference if they are in the hands of the Redshirts or the Thai army, the watermellons, ping-pong heads, whatever?

I am sure Taksin could get hold of this stuff anyway, probably on sale in the street markets of Montenegro, or he could get the Thais to bring them back from Libya. He would have to pay import duty though, so maybe he did steal them.