Asian Tour Golfers In Hua Hin For Songkran

[potters]

Asian Tour Golfers in Hua Hin

Well another update for you guys as i caught up with the boys in Hua Hin to

get the lowdown on the Asian Tour event in India.

Many Tour Pros taken Ill in India

Yep the old Delhi Belly seems to have struck our man down during his trip in India,

infact refusing to eat anything as he could not keep it in for long.

Matt says that the majority of the western players were feeling ill at some

point during the 3 week stint in India.

It makes it so much better for the guys who managed to play well.

Matt says his game was sound except for a few loose shots and a bad call

by his caddy.

Caddy costs Asian Tour Pro 3 shots

Thats right Matt went OB on the 4th hole and decided to play a provisional which

sailed up the middle.

After telling his caddy to leave the lost ball the caddy went into the woods and found it,

which meant had to play the lost ball taking him 3 shots to get out then things

just went from bad to worse finally making an 8 and then bogey-bogey on the next 3 holes.

Difficult to make it back after that so it was just a case of survival.

He finally made the cut and limped home to 56th place.

Tour Pros practicing in Hua Hin

We met up yesterday at the great facilities at Black Mountain golf course in Hua Hin.

First of all a big Thank you from the Boys to the management and staff T Black Mountain

for letting them practice and play.

Matt was joined by Irish rookie Niall Turner who had two top twenty finishes in India.

They spent about an hour on the range before going onto the course to play 9 holes.

Im pleased to report both there games looked in good shape but they only played nine due to

still feeling a little weak after India.

Today they played a full 18 and some very good Golf was played by both,this course certainly

suits Matts game as he shot -4 under and Niall -2 .

They will be practicing Thurs-Fri before leaving for Indonesia.

I will meet with them tonight for some Songkran partying.

I took some great pictures of the guys which i posted on a video at Youtube if you want

to take a look with some more coming tomorrow.

[Forethat]

Caddy costs Asian Tour Pro 3 shots

Thats right Matt went OB on the 4th hole and decided to play a provisional which

sailed up the middle.

After telling his caddy to leave the lost ball the caddy went into the woods and found it,

which meant had to play the lost ball taking him 3 shots to get out then things

just went from bad to worse finally making an 8 and then bogey-bogey on the next 3 holes.

Difficult to make it back after that so it was just a case of survival.

He finally made the cut and limped home to 56th place.

Just a question here;

How can a caddie cost an "Asian Tour Pro" 3 shots by retrieving a ball that was hit out of bounds?

Didn't you say you sometimes caddy on the tour? My advice would be you study the rules before doing any more of that...

A ball hit Out Of Bounds is no longer in play regardless if you find it or not - you're free to pick it up. In addition, if the "Asian Tour Pro" knew the ball was hit Out Of Bounds he's not allowed to hit a provisional ball, then he must hit a NEW ball from the same position. If the "Asian Tour Pro" THINKS the ball is hit Out Of Bounds he can hit a provisional, but if the original ball is found Out Of Bounds the provisional ball is automatically in play and the ball hit Out Of Bounds can be picked.

The only feasible conclusion of your post is that either

a ) you dont have a clue what went on.

b ) you have a clue what went on but no clue about the rules

c ) the "Asian Tour Pro" <deleted>**ed up and hit a provisional ball when he THOUGHT his first ball was hit Out Of Bounds, when in reality the first ball WAS NOT Out Of Bounds and the caddie picked it up. If he "suspected" that the ball was in a horrible lie and didn't want to play it, he shouldn't have played a provisional ball - since that ball would not be in play if the first ball is found before he hits a second shot on the provisional ball. In this case, the correct thing would have been to declare the original ball unplayable and hit a NEW ball from the original position, in this case the original ball would no longer have been in play an the caddie could have picked it up. If there's a communication issue and the caddie doesn't understand that you dont want him to look for the original ball, why the heck did he hit a "provisional" rather than declare the first ball unplayable and hit a new one off the tee...? Remarkable mistake by the "Asian Tour Pro" if you ask me.

Tell your player to stop blaming other and learn to use the rules to his advantage - something he will have to learn eventually if he's planning to survive on tour.

Comments?

PS.

I was at BM practising yesterday as well...

Edited April 16, 2011 by Forethat

[potters]

He finally made the cut and limped home to 56th place.

Just a question here;

How can a caddie cost an "Asian Tour Pro" 3 shots by retrieving a ball that was hit out of bounds?

Didn't you say you sometimes caddy on the tour? My advice would be you study the rules before doing any more of that...

A ball hit Out Of Bounds is no longer in play regardless if you find it or not - you're free to pick it up. In addition, if the "Asian Tour Pro" knew the ball was hit Out Of Bounds he's not allowed to hit a provisional ball, then he must hit a NEW ball from the same position. If the "Asian Tour Pro" THINKS the ball is hit Out Of Bounds he can hit a provisional, but if the original ball is found Out Of Bounds the provisional ball is automatically in play and the ball hit Out Of Bounds can be picked.

The only feasible conclusion of your post is that either

a ) you dont have a clue what went on.

b ) you have a clue what went on but no clue about the rules

c ) the "Asian Tour Pro" <deleted>**ed up and hit a provisional ball when he THOUGHT his first ball was hit Out Of Bounds, when in reality the first ball WAS NOT Out Of Bounds and the caddie picked it up. If he "suspected" that the ball was in a horrible lie and didn't want to play it, he shouldn't have played a provisional ball - since that ball would not be in play if the first ball is found before he hits a second shot on the provisional ball. In this case, the correct thing would have been to declare the original ball unplayable and hit a NEW ball from the original position, in this case the original ball would no longer have been in play an the caddie could have picked it up. If there's a communication issue and the caddie doesn't understand that you dont want him to look for the original ball, why the heck did he hit a "provisional" rather than declare the first ball unplayable and hit a new one off the tee...? Remarkable mistake by the "Asian Tour Pro" if you ask me.

Tell your player to stop blaming other and learn to use the rules to his advantage - something he will have to learn eventually if he's planning to survive on tour.

Comments?

PS.

I was at BM practising yesterday as well...

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Having read your post i sought clarification on the story to see if i had got things straight.

You are quite correct on point C and in fact he hit his shot deep into the rough

which on Delhi course is a jungle.

he then took a provisional thinking that the ball would be lost.

The caddy went into the rough and eventually found the ball.

He then had to play it as it was

only classed as in the rough.

It took him 3 shots to get out and then continued the rest of the disaster

on the whole and the next 2 holes.

Had the ball stayed lost he could have played the provisional from the center of the fairway.

Maybe damage limitation comes to mind.

Many players hit a provisional if they think the original is lost.

As you again stated i think a communication problem.

Caddys have and will get the blame during tournaments as they do make mistakes

its the nature of the game and the pressure the guys are under.

I think only last year when Montgomerys caddie removed an advertising board

without seeking a ruling and he incurred a 2 shot penalty and cost him the win.

But i would also be very surprised if a local caddie was familiar with the rules of Golf

i believe the R@A are trying to make it so players have to have a ruling test so they

have a better understanding.

Think i will be doing some swatting up.

Thanks for the correction and i hope you enjoyed your Golf at Black Mountain

i bailed after 2 days with sunburn.

Caddy costs Asian Tour Pro 3 shots

Thats right Matt went OB on the 4th hole and decided to play a provisional which

sailed up the middle.

After telling his caddy to leave the lost ball the caddy went into the woods and found it,

which meant had to play the lost ball taking him 3 shots to get out then things

just went from bad to worse finally making an 8 and then bogey-bogey on the next 3 holes.

Difficult to make it back after that so it was just a case of survival.

He finally made the cut and limped home to 56th place.

Just a question here;

How can a caddie cost an "Asian Tour Pro" 3 shots by retrieving a ball that was hit out of bounds?

Didn't you say you sometimes caddy on the tour? My advice would be you study the rules before doing any more of that...

A ball hit Out Of Bounds is no longer in play regardless if you find it or not - you're free to pick it up. In addition, if the "Asian Tour Pro" knew the ball was hit Out Of Bounds he's not allowed to hit a provisional ball, then he must hit a NEW ball from the same position. If the "Asian Tour Pro" THINKS the ball is hit Out Of Bounds he can hit a provisional, but if the original ball is found Out Of Bounds the provisional ball is automatically in play and the ball hit Out Of Bounds can be picked.

The only feasible conclusion of your post is that either

a ) you dont have a clue what went on.

b ) you have a clue what went on but no clue about the rules

c ) the "Asian Tour Pro" <deleted>**ed up and hit a provisional ball when he THOUGHT his first ball was hit Out Of Bounds, when in reality the first ball WAS NOT Out Of Bounds and the caddie picked it up. If he "suspected" that the ball was in a horrible lie and didn't want to play it, he shouldn't have played a provisional ball - since that ball would not be in play if the first ball is found before he hits a second shot on the provisional ball. In this case, the correct thing would have been to declare the original ball unplayable and hit a NEW ball from the original position, in this case the original ball would no longer have been in play an the caddie could have picked it up. If there's a communication issue and the caddie doesn't understand that you dont want him to look for the original ball, why the heck did he hit a "provisional" rather than declare the first ball unplayable and hit a new one off the tee...? Remarkable mistake by the "Asian Tour Pro" if you ask me.

Tell your player to stop blaming other and learn to use the rules to his advantage - something he will have to learn eventually if he's planning to survive on tour.

Comments?

PS.

I was at BM practising yesterday as well...

[Forethat]

Having read your post i sought clarification on the story to see if i had got things straight.

You are quite correct on point C and in fact he hit his shot deep into the rough

which on Delhi course is a jungle.

he then took a provisional thinking that the ball would be lost.

The caddy went into the rough and eventually found the ball.

He then had to play it as it was

only classed as in the rough.

It took him 3 shots to get out and then continued the rest of the disaster

on the whole and the next 2 holes.

Had the ball stayed lost he could have played the provisional from the center of the fairway.

Maybe damage limitation comes to mind.

Many players hit a provisional if they think the original is lost.

As you again stated i think a communication problem.

Caddys have and will get the blame during tournaments as they do make mistakes

its the nature of the game and the pressure the guys are under.

I think only last year when Montgomerys caddie removed an advertising board

without seeking a ruling and he incurred a 2 shot penalty and cost him the win.

But i would also be very surprised if a local caddie was familiar with the rules of Golf

i believe the R@A are trying to make it so players have to have a ruling test so they

have a better understanding.

Think i will be doing some swatting up.

Thanks for the correction and i hope you enjoyed your Golf at Black Mountain

i bailed after 2 days with sunburn.

Yup, I suspected this. The lesson learned (trust me, he will never do this mistake again) is that he will declare the original ball unplayable next time rather than hitting a provisional if he doesn't want to play the original ball.

I can imagine his thoughts when the caddy yelled from inside the jungle "got it...!), probably something in the region of "you stupid arse of a mule...". With an experienced caddie this will, of course, never happen. Most caddies on tour are good players themselves and understand these situations better.

Since you've caddied yourself, you're probably aware of the three rules for caddies:

a ) Show up

b ) Keep up

c ) Shut up

Included in rule "b" is that the bag and the caddie is supposed to be where the player is, the caddie should be like a portable bookshelf that accompanies the player wherever he goes. So to criticise the caddie a bit here I would question why the <deleted>** he in the jungle if I wasn't there...?

One of the best examples of caddies breaking rule "b" is the often lovely and helpful caddies in Thailand - when you have pulled your club and walked up on to the tee your friends caddie starts heading down the fairway with not only only HER players bag - but yours as well. Endless are the times I've changed my mind on the tee and want another club but cant because my bag is halfway down the fairway. Also, and after a tee shot you have a perfect moment to get a sip of water, but you cant for the same reason...

[Forethat]

See this from the bright side - if the caddie had picked up the ball it would have cost him a one stroke penalty...PLUS the shots he took to get out of the salad. In this case, IF he didn't replace the ball it would have cost him even more...

[chuckd]

See this from the bright side - if the caddie had picked up the ball it would have cost him a one stroke penalty...PLUS the shots he took to get out of the salad. In this case, IF he didn't replace the ball it would have cost him even more...

A golfer is responsible for the actions of his caddy.