DSI Wants Red-Shirt Leaders Back In Jail For Violating Bail Conditions

[anotheruser]

It would be nice to see people accused of terrorism in jail and the cases to move forward. Arisaman is only about 12 months late turning himself in after all

There is no law in Thailand, so what's the difference? Everybody that can buy their way out is equal under the law. Unless you are kidding yourself.

[webfact]

DSI withdraws bail for Red Shirt leaders Suporn, Payap for breaching conditions by joining UDD rally; summons them to report to investigators April 25 /MCOT

[Thaddeus]

DSI withdraws bail for Red Shirt leaders Suporn, Payap for breaching conditions by joining UDD rally; summons them to report to investigators April 25 /MCOT

Only those two?

So they have six days to do what?

[webfact]

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[Robby nz]

DSI withdraws bail for Red Shirt leaders Suporn, Payap for breaching conditions by joining UDD rally; summons them to report to investigators April 25 /MCOT

Lets hope it sets a precident that carries on to include the others when they turn up in May, assuming they do turn up and dont make a run for it.

[PaulBax]

you have no idea what you are talking about concerning the judiciary., and really very little concerning what Thaksin did or did not do as everything that Thaksin did was bad!

Let me give you one example concerning the lottery. Thaksins government put out a tender to computerize the system the system chosen was the same as used in the USA and UK , however, this government said it was unsafe and corrupt!

Really the lotteries in the US and UK are corrupt but the private lotteries run by powerful non elected officials for personal gain are not?

When you accuse someone of not knowing what he writes about, you should give clear details why you do so. Giving a less relevant example concerning something not even mentioned doesn't cut it.

Try again or retract, IMHO

it is impossible to give a reply without falling victim of Thailand's laws that put the judiciary above criticism.

Regarding Thaksin let us look at what he has been convicted of: he was convicted of corruption for following Thai law that says a spouse must sign if the husband or wife buys property.

This was despite two supreme court rulings that stated the relevant agency selling the land was independent from government! it is also a matter of record that Mrs Thaksin paid over the odds for this land at the time of the sale.

I have no problem with a fair cop and will go on record by stating that I never liked Thaksin but feel he has the moral high ground due to the coup and nature of the campaign against him

Edited April 19, 2011 by PaulBax

[jdinasia]

it is impossible to give a reply without falling victim of Thailand's laws that put the judiciary above criticism.

Regarding Thaksin let us look at what he has been convicted of: he was convicted of corruption for following Thai law that says a spouse must sign if the husband or wife buys property.

This was despite two supreme court rulings that stated the relevant agency selling the land was independent from government! it is also a matter of record that Mrs Thaksin paid over the odds for this land at the time of the sale.

I have no problem with a fair cop and will go on record by stating that I never liked Thaksin but feel he has the moral high ground due to the coup and nature of the campaign against him

You need to go back and review both the law governing elected officials and the details of the land sale including price. The other cases against Thaksin can proceed IF he ever returns to Thailand and then you will continue to see more corruption convictions. You only have to look at the assets forfeiture case to see that this is true. They went after the Radchada land case first because it was black letter law. Quite simply an open and shut case.

[rubl]

When you accuse someone of not knowing what he writes about, you should give clear details why you do so. Giving a less relevant example concerning something not even mentioned doesn't cut it.

Try again or retract, IMHO

it is impossible to give a reply without falling victim of Thailand's laws that put the judiciary above criticism.

Regarding Thaksin let us look at what he has been convicted of: he was convicted of corruption for following Thai law that says a spouse must sign if the husband or wife buys property.

This was despite two supreme court rulings that stated the relevant agency selling the land was independent from government! it is also a matter of record that Mrs Thaksin paid over the odds for this land at the time of the sale.

I have no problem with a fair cop and will go on record by stating that I never liked Thaksin but feel he has the moral high ground due to the coup and nature of the campaign against him

On the land case:

"Thaksin had the 'authority and power as the prime minister to influence the outcome of the land bid,' said Thonglor Chom-ngam, chief judge"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aBvPSS_pw7is&refer=asia

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/21/thaksin-thailand-corruption

"Thaksin Shinawatra's wife convicted of tax evasion"

http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=100008

Case k. Thaksin won in 2009:

"Thai Ex-Premier Thaksin Wins Defamation Case Against Columnist"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aeccmJ1PzAoQ

With EVERYBODY in Thailand using the juridical system to file cases, requests, ask for investigation, etc., etc. something must be wrong for sure. Please tell all

[PaulBax]

it is impossible to give a reply without falling victim of Thailand's laws that put the judiciary above criticism.

Regarding Thaksin let us look at what he has been convicted of: he was convicted of corruption for following Thai law that says a spouse must sign if the husband or wife buys property.

This was despite two supreme court rulings that stated the relevant agency selling the land was independent from government! it is also a matter of record that Mrs Thaksin paid over the odds for this land at the time of the sale.

I have no problem with a fair cop and will go on record by stating that I never liked Thaksin but feel he has the moral high ground due to the coup and nature of the campaign against him

You need to go back and review both the law governing elected officials and the details of the land sale including price. The other cases against Thaksin can proceed IF he ever returns to Thailand and then you will continue to see more corruption convictions. You only have to look at the assets forfeiture case to see that this is true. They went after the Radchada land case first because it was black letter law. Quite simply an open and shut case.

It was an open and shut case due to the makeup of the military installed supreme court and since when was Mrs Thaksin an elected official? As I stated a spouse must have a partners signature to buy any land are we now saying that no elected official or independently wealthy wife of an elected official can buy a house or land? All bids for the land were sealed and the biggest bid won. There were bids from property companies who said on record that mrs T paid over the odds!

it is all very well to say it was cheap years after the event despite many statements from the relevant agency saying the sale was above board.

As i said i have no problem with a fair cop and any of you that cannot see that this is about destroying the grass roots movements from the north and installing the elites in perpetual power need to engage your brains instead of your other body parts.

[rubl]

As i said i have no problem with a fair cop and any of you that cannot see that this is about destroying the grass roots movements from the north and installing the elites in perpetual power need to engage your brains instead of your other body parts.

The grass-roots up North were swallowed by the UDD which acts as k. Thaksin's non-political and partially violent arm. Read a bit about the history of the grass-roots and how they were manipulated by their own local rural elite, an elite still in power there. Please engage your brain, reading and learning helps

[PaulBax]

As i said i have no problem with a fair cop and any of you that cannot see that this is about destroying the grass roots movements from the north and installing the elites in perpetual power need to engage your brains instead of your other body parts.

The grass-roots up North were swallowed by the UDD which acts as k. Thaksin's non-political and partially violent arm. Read a bit about the history of the grass-roots and how they were manipulated by their own local rural elite, an elite still in power there. Please engage your brain, reading and learning helps

Is there anything wrong in Thailand that was not the fault of Thaksin?

As i said most of you have no clue about politics in this country. over and out

[animatic]

As i said i have no problem with a fair cop and any of you that cannot see that this is about destroying the grass roots movements from the north and installing the elites in perpetual power need to engage your brains instead of your other body parts.

The grass-roots up North were swallowed by the UDD which acts as k. Thaksin's non-political and partially violent arm. Read a bit about the history of the grass-roots and how they were manipulated by their own local rural elite, an elite still in power there. Please engage your brain, reading and learning helps

Is there anything wrong in Thailand that was not the fault of Thaksin?

As i said most of you have no clue about politics in this country. over and out

Plenty to go around. But the MAIN problems preventing the country to sort out MOST of the real long term problems are presently caused by the aggressions caused by Thaksins obsession with grabbing back power.

Certainly there were problems manifest on many levels, but his machinations have made dealing with most of them more difficult in extremis. Until Thaksin realizes his career running Thailand is toast, there can be no peace.

Edited April 19, 2011 by animatic

[jdinasia]

It was an open and shut case due to the makeup of the military installed supreme court and since when was Mrs Thaksin an elected official? As I stated a spouse must have a partners signature to buy any land are we now saying that no elected official or independently wealthy wife of an elected official can buy a house or land? All bids for the land were sealed and the biggest bid won. There were bids from property companies who said on record that mrs T paid over the odds!

it is all very well to say it was cheap years after the event despite many statements from the relevant agency saying the sale was above board.

As i said i have no problem with a fair cop and any of you that cannot see that this is about destroying the grass roots movements from the north and installing the elites in perpetual power need to engage your brains instead of your other body parts.

LOL

The former Mrs T was let off on that case because ..... wait for it ...... she wasn't a political office holder Thaksin on the other hand was a political office holder and was fairly convicted under the law. Black letter law all the way on his case. She was convicted on something entirely different. Again you should go back and look at the case AND the price paid versus the value of the property (at the time)

The original estimated price for the land was Bt2.1 billion. The first bid saw the price drop to Bt870 million and subsequent negotiations resulted in a further discount to the winning bidder, Pojaman, who paid Bt772 million.

...

Two issues are about a ban on political office holders and their spouses entering into transactions with state agencies, as per Articles 100 and 122 of the 1999 National Counter Corruption Commission Act.

http://nationmultime...es_30040164.php

again .. Black letter law.

If you think Thaksin is anything other than "elite", or that he got into power by anything other than getting the other regional power families/political machines/power blocs/ feudalist landed families to back him in return for a nose in the trough then you certainly have missed out on what happened in Thailand from 2001 until now.

BTW .. I don't use other body parts to think with ... just my brain

edit to add

TVF link ....

Edited April 19, 2011 by jdinasia

[Buchholz]

it is impossible to give a reply without falling victim of Thailand's laws that put the judiciary above criticism.

Regarding Thaksin let us look at what he has been convicted of: he was convicted of corruption for following Thai law that says a spouse must sign if the husband or wife buys property.

This was despite two supreme court rulings that stated the relevant agency selling the land was independent from government! it is also a matter of record that Mrs Thaksin paid over the odds for this land at the time of the sale.

I have no problem with a fair cop and will go on record by stating that I never liked Thaksin but feel he has the moral high ground due to the coup and nature of the campaign against him

You need to go back and review both the law governing elected officials and the details of the land sale including price. The other cases against Thaksin can proceed IF he ever returns to Thailand and then you will continue to see more corruption convictions. You only have to look at the assets forfeiture case to see that this is true. They went after the Radchada land case first because it was black letter law. Quite simply an open and shut case.

It was an open and shut case due to the makeup of the military installed supreme court and since when was Mrs Thaksin an elected official? As I stated a spouse must have a partners signature to buy any land are we now saying that no elected official or independently wealthy wife of an elected official can buy a house or land? All bids for the land were sealed and the biggest bid won. There were bids from property companies who said on record that mrs T paid over the odds!

it is all very well to say it was cheap years after the event despite many statements from the relevant agency saying the sale was above board.

Thaksin admitted his guilt by prima facie evidence of not appealing his conviction.

btw, speaking of "Mrs. Thaksin"... when does she begin her prison sentence in an unrelated case involving tax evasion that cheated the Thai nation of hundreds of millions of baht? Afterall, it's coming up on three since she was found guilty.

[Buchholz]

the devil and must be destroyed at all costs.

While he's not Satan himself, holding him responsible for his illegal actions is a good thing.

and then later on the next day...

As i said most of you have no clue about politics in this country. over and out

awwww.... but you just got started.

but if that's what you want... then so be it...

[rubl]

Thaksin admitted his guilt by prima facie evidence of not appealing his conviction.

btw, speaking of "Mrs. Thaksin"... when does she begin her prison sentence in an unrelated case involving tax evasion that cheated the Thai nation of hundreds of millions of baht? Afterall, it's coming up on three since she was found guilty.

OK, I'll allow you this one. The OP IS about cases, bail, etc. Still you should address all concerned properly. It's 'k. Potjaman', or 'Thaksin's ex-wife', or Ms. Potjaman !

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/world/asia/16iht-thai.1.17860642.html

[Buchholz]

DSI submits evidence to Attorney-General for court decision on revoking bail

DSI submits evidence to Attorney-General for court decision on revoking bail for nine UDD leaders who addressed Red Shirt rally with content insulting to monarchy.

And the prosecutors determined that...

Transcripts of speeches made by nine red-shirt leaders at their April 10 rally clearly shows some of them committing lese majeste and violated their bail conditions, a prosecutor said yesterday.

Thanapit Mulpruek, Director-General of the Special Litigation Department, said revocation of bail would not be requested for the others.

Pol Lt-Colonel Thawan Mangkang, the investigator at the Department of Special Investigation in charge of seeking bail withdrawal, said he had submitted the report of the Judge Advocate-Generals' Department on how the red-shirt leaders had breached Article 112 of the Criminal Code to support the request for re-incarceration.

The Nation - April 22, 2011

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/04/22/national/RED-SHIRT-LEADERS-HAVE-VIOLATED-BAIL-CONDITION-30153665.html

.

Edited April 21, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

re-incarceration not to be confused with reincarnation.

[Buchholz]

DSI files more evidence for 9 UDD leaders’ bail withdrawal

BANGKOK, 28 April 2010 (NNT) – The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has submitted additional evidence with the prosecutor in the bail revocation bid against nine core leaders of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD).

DSI investigator Police Lieutenant-Colonel Thawal Mankhang has presented Chief Prosecutor Ruj Khuensuwan with extra documents elaborately transcribed from the speeches of nine UDD core figures, who allegedly insulted the monarchy during the UDD rally on 10 April.

Besides the transcriptions, there were also testimonies of additional witnesses, including army and police officers as well as DSI staff who were monitoring the demonstration.

According to Pol Lt Col Thawal, this was the third submission of evidence after the prosecutor had claimed that the initially given detail was insufficient. He believed that the contents would be enough for the prosecutor to proceed with the proposed bail withdrawal against the UDD core leaders and forward the case to the Court accordingly.

Those in the hot seat consist of Mr Jatuporn Prompan, Mr Nattawut Saikua, MD Weng Tojirakarn, Mr Veera Musikapong, Mr Yoswaris Chuklom, Mr Korkaew Pikulthong, Mr Nisit Sinthuprai, Mr Wiphuthalaeng Pattanaphumthai and Mr Kwanchai Praipana.

-- NNT 2011-04-28

[Buchholz]

DSI Provides Evidence of Lese Majeste to Revoke Bail of Red-shirt Leaders

The Department of Special Investigation has submitted more evidence to revoke the bail of nine red-shirt members over a lese majeste charge.

Police Lieutenant General Thawan Mangkhang, as the director of the special case bureau 2 of the Department of Special Investigation or DSI, said that he has given the public prosecutor additional evidence involving speeches deemed offensive to the monarchy made by the red-shirt members at their protest on April 10.

The DSI said the nine key red-shirt members had violated articles 112 and 116 of the Criminal Code by insulting the monarchy, and in so doing have broken bail conditions.

The DSI is now seeking the court's ruling to revoke bail of the nine red-shirt leaders.

He said this is the third time he has provided information to the public prosecutor, after he was informed that previous evidence was deemed too lax, as some words were unclear.

Police Lieutenant General Thawan Mangkhang believes evidence is now complete and strong enough to make a case, as the evidence was provided by both military and police officers, as well as from questioning witnesses.

-- Tan Network 2011-04-29

[Buchholz]

Jatuporn stands firm not to escape

BANGKOK, 2 May 2011 (NNT) – Pheu Thai MP and Deputy Chairperson of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) has announced that he has no fear if his bail is to be revoked and will not run away.

The MP pledged that he would not flee to other countries and was not afraid of the efforts by the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) and the prosecutor to withdraw bails granted to him and eight other UDD core leaders.

As for a news report that DSI Director-General Tharit Pengdit would try to withdraw his bail after the house dissolution when he no longer had the political immunity, Mr Jatuporn shrugged off the concern, saying that even in a more serious situation he had never run away but reported himself once summoned by the court.

The Pheu Thai heavyweight added that he had prepared his law team to fight the case on 4 May 2011. He then asked some media members and military officers to stop spreading such a rumor.

Mr Jatuporn also dismissed conflicts between UDD leaders and Pheu Thai MPs and within the Pheu Thai Party. He pointed to the military and the media as creating a rumor that Pheu Thai key member Mingkwan Saengsuwan would defect to other parties.

The outspoken MP also brushed off as groundless a rumor that the Pheu Thai Party asked him to withdraw as a party-list candidate in the coming election in order to reduce the political tension.

-- NNT 2011-05-02

[rubl]

Regarding k. Jatuporn:

The Pheu Thai heavyweight

Was this meant literally or is it just figure of speech

[Buchholz]

Regarding k. Jatuporn:

The Pheu Thai heavyweight

Was this meant literally or is it just figure of speech

Perhaps in his promise not to flee is the secret desire to duplicate the dramatic and very healthy benefits that his fellow Red Shirt Leader Natthawut enjoyed from his stay at the Bangkok Remand Prison and Obesity Reduction Center

Before:

After:

[Buchholz]

DSI Provides Evidence of Lese Majeste to Revoke Bail of Red-shirt Leaders

The Department of Special Investigation has submitted more evidence to revoke the bail of nine red-shirt members over a lese majeste charge.

Police Lieutenant-General Thawan Mangkhang, as the director of the special case bureau 2 of the Department of Special Investigation or DSI, said that he has given the public prosecutor additional evidence

Prosecutors to Seek Revocation of Red-shirt Leaders' Bail

Public prosecutors will have staff of the special investigation agency as witnesses for its petition to remove bail for nine red-shirt leaders in response to a dubious rally speech that is said to constitute lese majeste.

Prosecutor for the Office of the Attorney General's Special Litigation Division 1, Ruj Kuensuwan, said his agency will tomorrow present four to five witnesses to the Criminal Court on the petition for the removal of bail for nine red-shirt core elements charged with terrorism, including Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Prompan.

The complaint was a response to Jatuporn's rally speech on the role of the Monarchy during a red-shirt rally on April 10 in which the eight other core elements also participated.

Ruj said most of the witnesses are staff members of the Department of Special Investigation.

DSI Director-General Tharit Pengdit is also expected to take the stand as a witness.

None of rally-goers or security officers overseeing the April 10 red-shirt rally have been called as witness.

Ruj said state prosecutors will also present the transcript of Jatuporn's speech at the trial.

Lawyer for the red-shirt group, Kharom Polthaklang, said he has already prepared a statement opposing the petition by public prosecutors and insisted the red-shirt leaders' appearance on the recent rally stage did not violate the court's bail conditions.

Kharom remarked the lese majeste case against Jatuporn cannot be used to seek removal of his bail as its proceeding is separated from the terrorism charges while other red-shirt core elements were not aware of his speech.

Kharom commented the lese majeste charges filed by state agencies against red-shirt leaders are politically motivated.

The lawyer said he will petition the court to summon commander of the Metropolitan Police Division 1, Police Major General Wichai Sangprapai, a law lecturer at Thammasat University Worajet Phakhirat and a number of rally-goers to provide the other side of the story.

Kharom added he will present VCDs of Jatuporn's speech and its transcript for the court's consideration.

He insisted the red-shirt rally on April 10 was in compliance with the law.

-- Tan Network 2011-05-03

[Buchholz]

DSI to summon 19 UDD members to acknowledge lese majeste charges June 2

BANGKOK, May 20 -- The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) will call in 19 members of the anti-government United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), the Red Shirt movement, for lese majeste charges as the court rejected latest bail bid by detained UDD co-leader Jatuporn Prompan.

DSI Director-General Tharit Pengdit told reporters that on Monday, DSI would summon 19 leading UDD members to hear lese majeste charges on June 2.

They comprise both leaders and supporting figures, whose speeches and actions at the April 10 rally were considered lese majeste and inciting others to disobey the law.

Being charged are Thida Thavornseth, Jatuporn Prompan, Natthawut Saikua, Weng Tojirakarn, Yoswarit Chuklom, Korkaew Pikulthong,Veerakan (formerly known as Veera) Musikhapong, Nisit Sintuprai, Wiputhalaeng Pattanaphumthai, Kwanchai Praipana, Laddawan Wongsriwong, Suporn Atthawong, Prasit Chaisrisa, Karoon Hosakul, Wichian Khaokam, Pipatchai Paiboon, Chinnawat Hanboonpat, Worawut Wichaidit and Payap Panket

Among them, Mr Jatupon and Mr Nisit are detained at Bangkok Remand Prison and DSI will inform the prison regarding the summons and deliver them to the DSI on June 2.

Mr Tharit said that all 19 UDD figures would then be taken to court to ask for the court’s decision to detain them, saying that the DSI will oppose any bail for them.

In related developments, the Appeals Court rejected bail for Mr Jatuporn, reasoning that he used strong language against the monarchy during the Red Shirt rally, and it denied the bail request for fear that he might do it again.

Mr Jatuporn and Mr Nisit, both former members of parliament, were sent to Bangkok Remand Prison immediately after the Criminal Court revoked their bail on May 12.

The court dismissed their bail requests later in the day, citing concerns that they might cause disorder after their temporary release.

Bail for Mr Jatuporn and Mr Nisit was withdrawn after the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) submitted the request to the Court, saying the two, charged with terrorism, had breached their bail conditions and insulted the country's revered monarchy while addressing their Red-Shirt supporters from its rally stage on April 10.

-- TNA 2011-05-20

[phiphidon]

This is getting ridiculous. Remember Abhisit telling people not to use the lese majeste law for political gain, well you can throw that out of the window.

Abhisits history with Lese Majeste;

From an interview with the Financial Times on the 23rd April 2009 and commented on by the Bangkok Pundit on the 26th April 2009

FT: What about the Lese Majeste law? It has caused Thailand some very bad publicity,do you think it needs to be changed?

Abhisit: I think the way it is enforced needs to be managed.

FT: What does that mean?

Abhisit: It means that there has to be clear guidance as to what the law says and how people who violate the law or are suspected of violating the law should be treated. I think the problem has been either too liberal an interpretation of what it means and also some actions that only create more confusion and conflictsurrounding the law.

more at http://asiancorrespo...majeste-update/

This was closely followed by;

PM: Repeal of Lese Majeste Law Impossible

UPDATE : 6 March 2009

Abhisit said he believes the problem currently lies with the inappropriate use of thelaw, with everyone claiming they have the right to express their opinions. He said he also detests those that use the lese majeste law for their private interests.

http://www.thailando...?DataID=1012661

and then in 2011 we have a different viewpoint from Abhisit, nothing to do with upcoming elections of course;

When more is less

The increasing use of lèse-majesté laws serves no one

Feb 3rd 2011 | SINGAPORE | from the print edition

The increase in repression dates from the coup against the populist prime minister,Thaksin Shinawatra, in 2006. He was widely seen by those around the king to be too powerful, even usurping the prerogatives of the monarch. Today the conservative government of Abhisit Vejjajiva says lèse-majesté laws should be used vigorously to protect the king from criticism and prevent him from being dragged into party politics. But it acknowledges over-enthusiastic application and has set up a committee to review this.

http://www.economist...ory_id=18073343

and an independant viewpoint of what is actually happening;

Lese majeste hysteria mounts

Posted by arnon_k On May - 2 - 2011

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has done little to implement his first-year pledge to review "over enthusiastic" applications of lese majeste law.

The government has told its critics not to exploit the monarchy for political gain.

The government embarked on similar witch-hunts last year as it was winding down its crackdown on the red shirt demonstrations.

But a year later, it has launched an offensive against supposed lese majeste offenders with an even more vigorous campaign which bears similar hallmarks of hysteria.

http://en.isnhotnews.com/?p=9579

[hanuman1]

Regarding k. Jatuporn:

The Pheu Thai heavyweight

Was this meant literally or is it just figure of speech

Perhaps in his promise not to flee is the secret desire to duplicate the dramatic and very healthy benefits that his fellow Red Shirt Leader Natthawut enjoyed from his stay at the Bangkok Remand Prison and Obesity Reduction Center

Before:

After:

Does your extremely repetitive highlighting of the weight loss incurred whilst being banged up in a Thai jail suggest a kind of latent admiration for the feat? Could do with losing a few pounds ourselves, could we?

Anyhow, the guy should be in jail and the fact that this is so underlines the poor quality of political leadership not just among certain red shirt factions, but Thai politics in general. Inciting people to burn buildings was a monumental mistake which the red shirt movement in general has no doubt suffered from in terms of popularity ever since, in my opinion. I think they know that, too.

Still, if there were competent leaders in this country this forum would be a hell of a lot more boring (all your weight-related posts notwithstanding).....

Edited May 20, 2011 by hanuman1

[jdinasia]

ppd --- what makes you think that any of the first 3 quotes about the LM laws contradict each other?

additionally, what makes you think that the "Insight News" opinion piece is independent?

[jdinasia]

Does your extremely repetitive highlighting of the weight loss incurred whilst being banged up in a Thai jail suggest a kind of latent admiration for the feat? Could do with losing a few pounds ourselves, could we?

More personal attacks .... why?

[hanuman1]

Does your extremely repetitive highlighting of the weight loss incurred whilst being banged up in a Thai jail suggest a kind of latent admiration for the feat? Could do with losing a few pounds ourselves, could we?

More personal attacks .... why?

If asking someone whether they need to lose a few pounds is a personal attack then I'm Ghengis Freakin Khan. Guilty.

What I'd like to know is why it is acceptable to launch multiple personal attacks on any individual who is in no position to answer back (in this case making jokes about their weight loss during events anyone would find very stressful), but it is unacceptable to do so with someone who is well able to either defend themselves/reply or ignore the comment as they see fit.

Edited May 20, 2011 by hanuman1