idiotduvillage Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Abhisit and his masters can jail as many people as they want ahead of the elections, it will not prevent the inevitable from happening . He is a goner . welcome red newbie, back as a re-run? or a genuine newcomer who wanted to wave a red flag? either way, i see you have dived straight in to the political fray and ignored the hundreds of other fascinating non political posts on Thaivisa welcome anyway, you have made it clear in your first post, why you are here.............. I am very much looking forward to my prediction getting realized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patjem Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Abhisit and his masters can jail as many people as they want ahead of the elections, it will not prevent the inevitable from happening . He is a goner . Wasn't aware that Abhisit put him in jail.... The judicial system (the couts) took that action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Abhisit and his masters can jail as many people as they want ahead of the elections, it will not prevent the inevitable from happening . He is a goner . welcome red newbie, back as a re-run? or a genuine newcomer who wanted to wave a red flag? either way, i see you have dived straight in to the political fray and ignored the hundreds of other fascinating non political posts on Thaivisa welcome anyway, you have made it clear in your first post, why you are here.............. I am very much looking forward to my prediction getting realized. i bet you are you on peace work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 ็็Jatuporn caused so much trouble to the society. He never learn to compromise nor listen to other reasoning. He can have some times to review his past deed/ karma behind bars now. Only your personal opinion. Not mine. My personal opinion; Asa hit the nail on the head. I rather agree with Asa as well .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokeddy Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 If someone questions the opinions of newbies just because the newbies are newbies, he should at least master the quote function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 ็็Jatuporn caused so much trouble to the society. He never learn to compromise nor listen to other reasoning. He can have some times to review his past deed/ karma behind bars now. Only your personal opinion. Not mine. My personal opinion; Asa hit the nail on the head. I rather agree with Asa as well .... me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaidam Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 ็็Jatuporn caused so much trouble to the society. He never learn to compromise nor listen to other reasoning. He can have some times to review his past deed/ karma behind bars now. Only your personal opinion. Not mine. My personal opinion; Asa hit the nail on the head. I rather agree with Asa as well .... I also totally agree with Asa. Thanks Asa for saving time for the silent majority on here from having to post the common sense opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokeddy Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 ... and "agree" doesn't give other posters much to comment on other than ... "with what?" Not sure if i agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 If someone questions the opinions of newbies just because the newbies are newbies, he should at least master the quote function. i know how it works there are just too many sometimes so some have to be deleted to make the post if you ever posted more than a few words at a time of any significance you would know that anyway beddy, isn't it past your bedtime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I disagree with all types of Lese Majeste type legislation. If that's why they're holding Jatuporn I think they ought to let him go. One would think however there is reason enough to arrest this creep on other charges. Like inciting riots and restraining trade. That would be a better way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) Corruption is the significant reason Thailands Democracy is so poor. It is also the major reason Thailand poor are so poor. Lese Majesty laws, and direct political attacks based on them can easily be avoided, don't talk badly about the monarchy. It really is very simple. Your analysis is flawed.Corruption is not the main reason that Thailand's democracy is defective: the main reason is the lack of development of the requisite social and legal infrastructure - independent judiciary, rule of law etc.Furthermore your suggestion that Thailand's poor are poor because of corruption is simply wrong.Thailand has become richer and more corrupt at the same time - like China, Indonesia,Malaysia etc.The linkage you suggest may be there for sub Saharan Africa doesn't apply in this region. Your comments on lese majeste are outlandish.Very few, except a few eccentrics, make attacks on the monarchy.The issue is not the monarchy but outmoded laws, which Abhisit has stated should be reformed.The other parallel issue is the obscene exploitation of these laws for political advantage. Cart before the horse old son, cart before the horse. "lack of development of the requisite social and legal infrastructure - independent judiciary, rule of law etc." Directly retarded BY CORRUPTION. "Very few, except a few eccentrics, make attacks on the monarchy." And we seem to have quite a few lately going very, very close to the edge. Yes they are acting outlandishly for effect, and then not liking the effect they receive. Edited May 13, 2011 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 If someone questions the opinions of newbies just because the newbies are newbies, he should at least master the quote function. i know how it works there are just too many sometimes so some have to be deleted to make the post if you ever posted more than a few words at a time of any significance you would know that anyway beddy, isn't it past your bedtime? looks like it was, he has gone offline.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) Red-shirt Leader Stressful in Prison hmmm...he looked pretty stress-free when he went in. Thai Rath newspaper http://www.thairath....tent/pol/171193 The Bangkok Remand Prison says a red-shirt core figure who is being jailed after his bail was revoked looks stressful and does not want to have a meal. ahhhh... Jatuporn is already enrolled into the Bank Remand Prison's Obesity Reduction Program. Well done. and not a moment too soon... Guess he tasted the food! Anorexia? No. Instant Bulimia maybe. Don't mind the flys we don't charge extra for them. Edited June 27, 2011 by metisdead Photo posted in copyright violation removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 ็็Jatuporn caused so much trouble to the society. He never learn to compromise nor listen to other reasoning. He can have some times to review his past deed/ karma behind bars now. Only your personal opinion. Not mine. My personal opinion; Asa hit the nail on the head. I rather agree with Asa as well .... Hard not to. Especially if you have free will and common sense. And if your bank balance isn't dependent on what subjects you post on for Team Thaksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokeddy Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I disagree with all types of Lese Majeste type legislation. If that's why they're holding Jatuporn I think they ought to let him go. One would think however there is reason enough to arrest this creep on other charges. Like inciting riots and restraining trade. That would be a better way to go. Wise spoken. I agree with lannarebirth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) I disagree with all types of Lese Majeste type legislation. If that's why they're holding Jatuporn I think they ought to let him go. One would think however there is reason enough to arrest this creep on other charges. Like inciting riots and restraining trade. That would be a better way to go. In Thailand Lese Majesty, if it goes too far, is considered potentially inciting riots. Most of the people adore the monarchy, and that's the issue. Insult it and the majority of people get angry and fight against those doing the insulting, so the added part is that LM is a national security risk. Is this great logic, no, but it is Thai logic. In the future this logic may modify, but in the present elevated situation, not a chance. Jatuporn IS actively trying to create disturbances and uprisings using his words. The ONLY reason he hasn't been incarcerated before is his MP immunity which is no longer extant. They clearly intende to get him 'processed before he gets reelected'. If the PTP does NOT win the greater seats, and form the government, the blow up later will be much easier handled without Jatuporn on the loose inciting. Edited May 13, 2011 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I disagree with all types of Lese Majeste type legislation. If that's why they're holding Jatuporn I think they ought to let him go. One would think however there is reason enough to arrest this creep on other charges. Like inciting riots and restraining trade. That would be a better way to go. It isn't why they revoked his bail. He has a separate new LM charge from the same set of speeches on April 10th 2010. His breech os the LM law was serious enough to have Chavalit resign as the head of PTP ... I think the LM charges might be enough to get a conviction against him. It was pretty blatant. You, nor I, nor anyone else has to agree with the LM laws ... but I think at least you and I are smart enough not to break them, particularly in public, on stage, in an effort to incite crowds .... I wish the wheels of justice rolled more quickly in Thailand but it may be another 3-4 years before we see Jatuporn face the terrorism etc charges that he is up against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigermonkey Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 He maybe party list he maybe constituency, he maybe the easter bunny, but he surely is a hardcore recidivist, with no respect for the laws that don't benefit him, even by Thai standards He is absolutely where he belongs. I am hoping they deny bail until his trial on the APril 10th 2011 charges (should be a fast and easy court case!) Then he can wait in jail until the AG is ready to push the terrorism charges through. Please enlighten us all. To the best of my knowlege his bail was revoked /denied because of remarks he made on April 10 . This related to earlier charges of terrorism. Can you please tell us about these new " APril 10th 2011 charges" . Do you have insider information that he is now charged concerning those remarks on April 10 ? Same incident but two sets of charges. His earlier Racha. Rally charges he was out on bail on, and now the april 10, 2011 charges, that he will soon be answering for. The actions of getting the new charges, was enough to withdraw his earlier bail, but the new charges will shortly follow in court. Especially fast filing now, since he is NOT an MP now... "new charges will shortly follow in court " does not constitute new charges . I am aware that the army is pushing for new charges, and hence it is almost a foregone conclusion ---- but there are not now new charges for April 10 . Your statement " The actions of getting the new charges, was enough to withdraw his earlier bail " should accurately read " The army directing that new charges should be laid against him was enough to wihdraw his earlier bail" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigermonkey Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 He maybe party list he maybe constituency, he maybe the easter bunny, but he surely is a hardcore recidivist, with no respect for the laws that don't benefit him, even by Thai standards He is absolutely where he belongs. I am hoping they deny bail until his trial on the APril 10th 2011 charges (should be a fast and easy court case!) Then he can wait in jail until the AG is ready to push the terrorism charges through. Please enlighten us all. To the best of my knowlege his bail was revoked /denied because of remarks he made on April 10 . This related to earlier charges of terrorism. Can you please tell us about these new " APril 10th 2011 charges" . Do you have insider information that he is now charged concerning those remarks on April 10 ? http://www.nationmul...e-30153149.html ... No I have what should be common knowledge, not insider knowledge .... I have the same "common knowledge" as you - that knowledge, as supported by your link, is that the army has directed that charges be laid against Jutaporn foir his remarks on April 10. I repeat, do you have insider knowledge that charges have been laid/filed for his actions of April 10 ? - or are you merely assuming that the army always gets their own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 'animatic' timestamp='1305195837' post='4419060' He maybe party list he maybe constituency, he maybe the easter bunny, but he surely is a hardcore recidivist, with no respect for the laws that don't benefit him, even by Thai standards He is absolutely where he belongs. I am hoping they deny bail until his trial on the APril 10th 2011 charges (should be a fast and easy court case!) Then he can wait in jail until the AG is ready to push the terrorism charges through. Please enlighten us all. To the best of my knowlege his bail was revoked /denied because of remarks he made on April 10 . This related to earlier charges of terrorism. Can you please tell us about these new " APril 10th 2011 charges" . Do you have insider information that he is now charged concerning those remarks on April 10 ? Same incident but two sets of charges. His earlier Racha. Rally charges he was out on bail on, and now the april 10, 2011 charges, that he will soon be answering for. The actions of getting the new charges, was enough to withdraw his earlier bail, but the new charges will shortly follow in court. Especially fast filing now, since he is NOT an MP now... "new charges will shortly follow in court " does not constitute new charges . I am aware that the army is pushing for new charges, and hence it is almost a foregone conclusion ---- but there are not now new charges for April 10 . Your statement " The actions of getting the new charges, was enough to withdraw his earlier bail " should accurately read " The army directing that new charges should be laid against him was enough to wihdraw his earlier bail" The charges are announced and are proceeding to court. I didn't design the Thai judicial system. The process is started, if not in an actual court yet. In USA and France police or DA file charges and then the court takes over. Something along those lines is happening here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigermonkey Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I disagree with all types of Lese Majeste type legislation. If that's why they're holding Jatuporn I think they ought to let him go. One would think however there is reason enough to arrest this creep on other charges. Like inciting riots and restraining trade. That would be a better way to go. In Thailand Lese Majesty, if it goes too far, is considered potentially inciting riots. Most of the people adore the monarchy, and that's the issue. Insult it and the majority of people get angry and fight against those doing the insulting, so the added part is that LM is a national security risk. Is this great logic, no, but it is Thai logic. In the future this logic may modify, but in the present elevated situation, not a chance. Jatuporn IS actively trying to create disturbances and uprisings using his words. The ONLY reason he hasn't been incarcerated before is his MP immunity which is no longer extant. They clearly intende to get him 'processed before he gets reelected'. If the PTP does NOT win the greater seats, and form the government, the blow up later will be much easier handled without Jatuporn on the loose inciting. You quote one of the many variations of the official position that the monarchy is adored/worshiped, when you say " Most of the people adore the monarchy". Is this fact ? Can you support the statement with any form of statistics or poll results? -- of course you can't ! Any statistics or polls would contravene LM legislation. I also can make no further comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I rather agree with Asa as well .... So after your castigation of councilor with this; and "agree" doesn't give other posters much to comment on other than ... "with what?" and moaning about my occasional one liners, your post differs from councilors by precisely 6 words and a smiley.................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I rather agree with Asa as well .... So after your castigation of councilor with this; and "agree" doesn't give other posters much to comment on other than ... "with what?" and moaning about my occasional one liners, your post differs from councilors by precisely 6 words and a smiley.................................... How many of my posts are short like that? Then again, my posts typically raise a point and address said point (sometimes ad nauseam!) Instead of simply baiting like so many posts "occasional?" is obviously a bit subjective ... but hey ..... Asa's post had a rather singular point raised .. I agree with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letitbe Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 "new charges will shortly follow in court " does not constitute new charges . I am aware that the army is pushing for new charges, and hence it is almost a foregone conclusion ---- but there are not now new charges for April 10 . Your statement " The actions of getting the new charges, was enough to withdraw his earlier bail " should accurately read " The army directing that new charges should be laid against him was enough to wihdraw his earlier bail" ?? are you really trying to defend this piece of filth just asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) He is absolutely where he belongs. I am hoping they deny bail until his trial on the APril 10th 2011 charges (should be a fast and easy court case!) Then he can wait in jail until the AG is ready to push the terrorism charges through. Please enlighten us all. To the best of my knowlege his bail was revoked /denied because of remarks he made on April 10 . This related to earlier charges of terrorism. Can you please tell us about these new " APril 10th 2011 charges" . Do you have insider information that he is now charged concerning those remarks on April 10 ? http://www.nationmul...e-30153149.html ... No I have what should be common knowledge, not insider knowledge .... I have the same "common knowledge" as you - that knowledge, as supported by your link, is that the army has directed that charges be laid against Jutaporn foir his remarks on April 10. I repeat, do you have insider knowledge that charges have been laid/filed for his actions of April 10 ? - or are you merely assuming that the army always gets their own way. http://thailandtimes...h-lese-majeste/ the other English language newspaper -- states "charges laid" ... etc etc etc Your question seems not to be have they been charged, but have they been indicted? Papers are using the term "charged" --- if you don't like it please feel free to bring it up with the media. Secondly --- the army was not the only ones to file complaints against Jatuporn et al for the content of the speeches on April 10th. The DSI did so as well. Neither group ALWAYS gets their own way ... both often do. Regarding your post #234 . http://www.nationmul...b-30143817.html Edited May 13, 2011 by jdinasia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millwall_fan Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 As this election campaign gets underway it is becoming apparant why Mr Suthep doesn't want 'farang' observers. He intends to cheat! and that started with the election being held under the terms of the deeply flawed 2007 constitution, voted on under military rule and where it was illegal to campaign against it. Now the Ruling Elite are jailing the few Peua Thai leaders left that can string a few sentences together. One questions (and doubts) whether all parties will be given fair access to TV time and other media avenues and whether, even at local level, parties will be truly free to campaign, Mr Abhisit's government has all the democratic stature of Bashir Al-Assad. Maybe, in the end, revolution will be the only avenue left. What a shame the Thai uprising was one year too early! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 As this election campaign gets underway it is becoming apparant why Mr Suthep doesn't want 'farang' observers. He intends to cheat! and that started with the election being held under the terms of the deeply flawed 2007 constitution, voted on under military rule and where it was illegal to campaign against it. Now the Ruling Elite are jailing the few Peua Thai leaders left that can string a few sentences together. One questions (and doubts) whether all parties will be given fair access to TV time and other media avenues and whether, even at local level, parties will be truly free to campaign, Mr Abhisit's government has all the democratic stature of Bashir Al-Assad. Maybe, in the end, revolution will be the only avenue left. What a shame the Thai uprising was one year too early! 2 Reds --- out on bail .... violated the conditions of the bail. I would assume that you have never looked at the rural Thai voting history at all. The "ruling elite" are regional --- and the people keeping the farmers poor are the same ones running for office under the PTP banner. The reds here in Chiang Mai (where we both are) have 2 cable stations and scads of radio .... but hey .. it is easier not to look at the facts and just blame others for the local conditions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 (edited) I rather agree with Asa as well .... So after your castigation of councilor with this; and "agree" doesn't give other posters much to comment on other than ... "with what?" and moaning about my occasional one liners, your post differs from councilors by precisely 6 words and a smiley.................................... How many of my posts are short like that? Then again, my posts typically raise a point and address said point (sometimes ad nauseam!) Instead of simply baiting like so many posts "occasional?" is obviously a bit subjective ... but hey ..... Asa's post had a rather singular point raised .. I agree with it bias...... Edited May 14, 2011 by timekeeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I rather agree with Asa as well .... So after your castigation of councilor with this; and "agree" doesn't give other posters much to comment on other than ... "with what?" and moaning about my occasional one liners, your post differs from councilors by precisely 6 words and a smiley.................................... i wouldn't fret about it, we won't be subjected to his fascinating posts and jolly wit and repartee anymore councilor has gone...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I disagree with all types of Lese Majeste type legislation. If that's why they're holding Jatuporn I think they ought to let him go. One would think however there is reason enough to arrest this creep on other charges. Like inciting riots and restraining trade. That would be a better way to go. In Thailand Lese Majesty, if it goes too far, is considered potentially inciting riots. Most of the people adore the monarchy, and that's the issue. Insult it and the majority of people get angry and fight against those doing the insulting, so the added part is that LM is a national security risk. Is this great logic, no, but it is Thai logic. In the future this logic may modify, but in the present elevated situation, not a chance. Jatuporn IS actively trying to create disturbances and uprisings using his words. The ONLY reason he hasn't been incarcerated before is his MP immunity which is no longer extant. They clearly intende to get him 'processed before he gets reelected'. If the PTP does NOT win the greater seats, and form the government, the blow up later will be much easier handled without Jatuporn on the loose inciting. You quote one of the many variations of the official position that the monarchy is adored/worshiped, when you say " Most of the people adore the monarchy". Is this fact ? Can you support the statement with any form of statistics or poll results? -- of course you can't ! Any statistics or polls would contravene LM legislation. I also can make no further comment. I have seen absolutely no evidence to dispute this. And I have yet to meet more than ONE Thai who is anti-monarchy in many years here. And that one is very much for Princess Maha. So to think that 1 in several thousand of Thais from all across the whole of this country is anti, versus the thousands clearly and demonstrably for, it doesn't take a poll to see where the weight of fact lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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