Iran uses young boy to execute serial killer

[Ulysses G.]

I didn't make that up to support the Iran. It is, like it is. (Waiting for your apology)

The question is if that would make a difference.

Makes it a difference for you? (Seems so, because you assumed, I had made it up to defend Iran)

Who said that you made it up? I said that Iran's usual supporters probably made that up and your link says that the information came from a website that is "close to the Iranian authorities". I do not see that as proof of anything other than they are making a statement with no evidence that it is true and it would not shock me if they were dishonest about it.

Edited May 30, 2011 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

I'm very proud to be American and quite patriotic.

You do know that other members can go back and search your old posts quite easily?

Go for it.

Go for what? I have been reading your posts since Huey Newton was your avatar for all those years. My point is that anyone can go back and read those posts.

[samurai]

I didn't make that up to support the Iran. It is, like it is. (Waiting for your apology)

The question is if that would make a difference.

Makes it a difference for you? (Seems so, because you assumed, I had made it up to defend Iran)

I said that Iran's usual supporters probably made that up and your link says that the information came from a website that is "close to the Iranian authorities". I do not see that as proof of anything other than they are making a statement with no evidence that it is true and it would not shock me if they made it up.

Why they should made that up?

The human rights spokesman acknowledges that such law exist.

Read the last paragraph in my quote or read it here taken from the Iran Human Rights (IHR) website:

Mahmood Amiry-Moghaddam said about the retribution ‘eye-for-an-eye’ law, “Retribution is one of the few ‘rights’ given by Iranian authorities to its citizens. The Iranian government deprives its citizens of basic human rights like, freedom of speech, thought and choice, and even personal rights like how to dress, but the ‘rights’ of citizens to carry out executions or blind with acid are insisted on and encouraged.”

http://iranhr.net/spip.php?article2115

Mahmood Amiry-Moghaddam is the international spokesperson of IHR.

The website has two more photos of the "young boy" pulling the chair, where he doesn't look so minor but could be indeed a 23 years old, as claimed by the Iranian authorities.

http://iranhr.net/spip.php?article2115

There are many things wrong in Iran, but one is losing credibility if he argues with exaggerations, ignoring of facts and half-truths. That are tools of demagogues.

Someone else might be now convinced that the western media is full of lies about Iran, always.

[Ulysses G.]

There are many things wrong in Iran, but one is losing credibility if he argues with exaggerations, ignoring of facts and half-truths.

Those accusations describe the bulk of your political posts very well and the boy in the photo does not appear to be the man in the other photos.

Iran lie? Shocking!

Edited May 30, 2011 by Ulysses G.

[chuckd]

Certainly a son (or other relative like the younger brother) of one of the women the serial killer had murdered.

I wonder how many cheered up and celebrate that justice was served with killing the murderer.

Do you have any links to support your supposition about the young boy being a relative of a victim?

Would it make a difference for you?

Yes, it would. Now, do you have any links or not?

[samurai]

Certainly a son (or other relative like the younger brother) of one of the women the serial killer had murdered.

I wonder how many cheered up and celebrate that justice was served with killing the murderer.

Do you have any links to support your supposition about the young boy being a relative of a victim?

Would it make a difference for you?

Yes, it would. Now, do you have any links or not?

ISLAMIC REPUBLIC'S PENAL CODE

THE HUDOOD AND QISAS ACT AND RELEVANT RULES*

*Published in the Official Gazette No. 10972 dated 4-8-1361/26-10-1982

(Passed on 3rd Shahrivar 1361/25th August 1982 by the Committee for Judicial Affairs of the Islamic Consultative Assembly)

Definition of Qisas

Qisas (or retaliation) is a punishment which is awarded to an offender, and must be commensurate with the offence.

Two Kinds of Qisas: Qisas for life and Qisas for a part of human body.

Chapter One - Qisas for Life

Section 1

In accordance with the provisions of this Chapter, a willful murder (qatl-i amd) is punishable by Qisas (or retaliation) and the heirs to the person murdered (owliya al-dam) may kill the murderer with the permission of a Muslim ruler (wali) or this representative in fulfillment on the conditions mentioned below.

...

Chapter Five - The Procedure for Execution of the Qisas .

Section 43

A willful murder is punishable by Qisas, but with the consent of the heirs of the deceased (waliyy-i-dam) and the murderer it may be changed into a full Diyat or less or more than a full Diyat.

...

Section 51

The heir to the person murdered may, with the permission of the judge (hakim-i-shar') execute the Qisas personally, or may appoint his agent for this purpose.

Section 52

If the heir to the person murdered happens to a minor or a lunatic, his guardian (father, grandfather, an executor appointed by them or the judge) keeping the interest of the minor or the lunatic in view, may execute the Qisas or change the Qisas into the prescribed Diyat, or more or less than the prescribed Diyat.

....

http://www.iranrights.org/english/document-139.php

• Diyat (pl. Diyat) : Monetary compensation prescribed by the Shri'ah for an offence. (S. 10, IPC, Chapter 2)
  
• Q.-i'amd : Willful murder, intentional murder.
  
• Owtiya-i-dam (Pl. of wali . .) : Heirs to a person killed or murdered; persons entitled to receive the blood-money or execute Qisas.
  
• Qisas : Retaliation, the punishment to which an offender is sentenced, and which is equivalent to his offence. (S. 9, IPC, Chapter 2).
  

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Iranian authorities react to IHR’s report: The man who carried out the public execution was 23 years old!

Iran Human Rights, May 28: Iran Human Rights (IHR) had published a report on May 26th regarding the public execution of "Mehdi Faraji" in Qazvin titled: "Young boy was used to carry out execution of a man in public in Iran". The information was based on eyewitness reports who said, "A young boy was used to draw the chair Mehdi was standing on and carry out the execution."

In the statement, Mahmood Amiry-Moghaddam, the international spokesperson of IHR said, “These barbaric executions and using ordinary citizens, especially minors, to carry out the executions must be condemned by the world community.” He added, “Iranian leaders must be held accountable for promoting a culture of murder and brutality in Iran”.

In reaction to IHR’s report, Ebrat News, a site close to the Iranian authorities revealed more details about the execution in Qazvin. According to the site, the young man who carried out the execution was identified as Ali, 23, the son of Kimia, one of the women allegedly murdered by Mehdi. Ebrat News wrote: “The man was not a minor as claimed by some sites…so-called human rights defenders have forgotten that, according to the qesas (retribution/eye-for-an-eye) law in a murder case [in Iran], the execution must be carried out by the family or the oldest child of the offended”.

http://iranhr.net/spip.php?article2115

[chuckd]

Do you have any links to support your supposition about the young boy being a relative of a victim?

Would it make a difference for you?

Yes, it would. Now, do you have any links or not?

ISLAMIC REPUBLIC'S PENAL CODE

THE HUDOOD AND QISAS ACT AND RELEVANT RULES*

*Published in the Official Gazette No. 10972 dated 4-8-1361/26-10-1982

(Passed on 3rd Shahrivar 1361/25th August 1982 by the Committee for Judicial Affairs of the Islamic Consultative Assembly)

Definition of Qisas

Qisas (or retaliation) is a punishment which is awarded to an offender, and must be commensurate with the offence.

Two Kinds of Qisas: Qisas for life and Qisas for a part of human body.

Chapter One - Qisas for Life

Section 1

In accordance with the provisions of this Chapter, a willful murder (qatl-i amd) is punishable by Qisas (or retaliation) and the heirs to the person murdered (owliya al-dam) may kill the murderer with the permission of a Muslim ruler (wali) or this representative in fulfillment on the conditions mentioned below.

...

Chapter Five - The Procedure for Execution of the Qisas .

Section 43

A willful murder is punishable by Qisas, but with the consent of the heirs of the deceased (waliyy-i-dam) and the murderer it may be changed into a full Diyat or less or more than a full Diyat.

...

Section 51

The heir to the person murdered may, with the permission of the judge (hakim-i-shar') execute the Qisas personally, or may appoint his agent for this purpose.

Section 52

If the heir to the person murdered happens to a minor or a lunatic, his guardian (father, grandfather, an executor appointed by them or the judge) keeping the interest of the minor or the lunatic in view, may execute the Qisas or change the Qisas into the prescribed Diyat, or more or less than the prescribed Diyat.

....

http://www.iranrights.org/english/document-139.php

• Diyat (pl. Diyat) : Monetary compensation prescribed by the Shri'ah for an offence. (S. 10, IPC, Chapter 2)
  
• Q.-i'amd : Willful murder, intentional murder.
  
• Owtiya-i-dam (Pl. of wali . .) : Heirs to a person killed or murdered; persons entitled to receive the blood-money or execute Qisas.
  
• Qisas : Retaliation, the punishment to which an offender is sentenced, and which is equivalent to his offence. (S. 9, IPC, Chapter 2).
  

--------------------------

Iranian authorities react to IHR’s report: The man who carried out the public execution was 23 years old!

Iran Human Rights, May 28: Iran Human Rights (IHR) had published a report on May 26th regarding the public execution of "Mehdi Faraji" in Qazvin titled: "Young boy was used to carry out execution of a man in public in Iran". The information was based on eyewitness reports who said, "A young boy was used to draw the chair Mehdi was standing on and carry out the execution."

In the statement, Mahmood Amiry-Moghaddam, the international spokesperson of IHR said, “These barbaric executions and using ordinary citizens, especially minors, to carry out the executions must be condemned by the world community.” He added, “Iranian leaders must be held accountable for promoting a culture of murder and brutality in Iran”.

In reaction to IHR’s report, Ebrat News, a site close to the Iranian authorities revealed more details about the execution in Qazvin. According to the site, the young man who carried out the execution was identified as Ali, 23, the son of Kimia, one of the women allegedly murdered by Mehdi. Ebrat News wrote: “The man was not a minor as claimed by some sites…so-called human rights defenders have forgotten that, according to the qesas (retribution/eye-for-an-eye) law in a murder case [in Iran], the execution must be carried out by the family or the oldest child of the offended”.

http://iranhr.net/spip.php?article2115

Now that you have, yet again, tried to baffle us with BS, read my post made on 2011/05/27 at 21:00:41, that said...

"Do you have any links to support your supposition about the young boy being a relative of a victim?"

Having lived in Iran for five years and the Middle East over 30 years, I hardly require a lesson on Sharia from you so please refrain from muddying up any more threads with your endless nonsense.

Another press release from an Iranian source that is "close to the authorities" stating the young boy was really a 23 year old male is hardly proof of anything.

Simply answer the question that has been previously posed to you.

[samurai]

Now that you have, yet again, tried to baffle us with BS, read my post made on 2011/05/27 at 21:00:41, that said...

"Do you have any links to support your supposition about the young boy being a relative of a victim?"

No, if the Penal Code of Iran or what that the Iran human right spokesman Mahmood Amiry-Moghaddam had said about the retribution ‘eye-for-an-eye’ law, “Retribution is one of the few ‘rights’ given by Iranian authorities to its citizens. The Iranian government deprives its citizens of basic human rights like, freedom of speech, thought and choice, and even personal rights like how to dress, but the ‘rights’ of citizens to carry out executions or blind with acid are insisted on and encouraged.”

is not good enough for you, than just don't believe it and call it BS. Up to you.

You said it would make a difference for you if a relative of the victim pulled the chair or just somebody else.

Can I ask what difference would it make for you?

For the human rights spokesman is it even worse, he said that the Iranian authorities "promote brutality" with Qesas ‘retribution’/ an eye-for-an-eye punishments.

Something what few posters here vehement deny that it happens. Makes me wonder why. Probably depends on their answer to the question: Should a relative of the victim be allowed to pull the chair?

[Ulysses G.]

Now that you have, yet again, tried to baffle us with BS, read my post made on 2011/05/27 at 21:00:41, that said...

"Do you have any links to support your supposition about the young boy being a relative of a victim?"

The answer seems to be NO - with a star.

[wandrinstar]

Thats a Shame, in England a Gang of Civill Rights Lawyers would have saved him.