webfact Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 UPDATE Jatuporn, other MPs endorsed Follow this link: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan3 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 So what happens now? Does he get released on immunity? Of course he does. If everything goes red even Tacky will be home soon........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan3 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 On a different and much more positive note, it sure was wonderful seeing HMS on the tube the other night ! :jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSkip Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Just another spin on the top...........:jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siam Simon Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Ok, please enlighten us as to which convicted criminal was pardoned and endorsed as an MP in Britain, US, Australia, Canada or New Zealand? We're waiting! Why not? Why so many slamming Thailand over this? It's not like our home countries haven't allowed evil people to run things. Really? Let's start at the top. Google 'George Bush war crimes'. Tony Blair was his cohort on this. Bubba and klan weren't convicted of anything, but they should have been, thus making it worse. Their power kept them safe. George and Tony weren't and are still not convicted criminals. George and Tony made some decisions that directly resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. The loudmouth buffoon (imo) Jatuporn made some inflammatory speeches which may or may not have been the direct cause of some of the violence in the recent troubles. Should Jatuporn ever have his day in court (doubtful), either finding a bloodline or proving that his motormouth was directly responsible for specific acts of violence will probably be a legal minefield. Up until now, neither Jatuporn, George nor Tony are convicted criminals. Strange world we live in, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Reconciliation here we come. Way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toybits Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Nepotism? Who elected the young Shinawatra lady? Taksin or the Thai voters? If it was Taksin, you might be correct in labelling this as nepotism. Otherwise.... Nice BIASED Headlines. I wonder if anyone checked the archives for news flashes and see if a headline about 2 years ago might say something like ... "MP Apisit Lost Election, Now Presiding as Thai PM Through His Networks & Nepotism" You speak of nepotism when the new government PM is the ex-PM's sister? Get a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) Mr. Jatuporn was being detained on a charge. He was not convicted. The EC considered the specifics according to his case and the applicable regulations were also specific to the seating of an MP. It is unfair to read anything more into the case that that. Nothing precludes Mr. jatuporn being removed as an MP if he is convicted of his charges. Mr. Jatuporn will not benefit from immunity as the alleged crimes occurred before his seating. Simply put, the man was considered innocent in law until convicted. What is so difficult to understand about that concept? Nothing in this decision precludes Mr. Jatuporn being removed from office if he is convicted. Edited August 2, 2011 by geriatrickid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Well the real point is, does hes NOW instated MP Immunity, put a stop to existing and commenced Trials for Terrorism and get him sprung from jail, using his MP status as collateral? This is a different bunch of legal authorities to intimidate, the EC remembering Arismans invasion of their offices bassed the buck. Though the will also let the committee dawdle over his party membership. Hi Animatic , would you agree that the EC is now an ineffectual toothless tiger after this little stunt? On the toughest cases, maybe so. They do have most of their job covered, when not being intimidated and threatened. How the courts deal with the 'Post Indictment, Immunity' issue is the real test. The reds will squel this is double standards, but this is a valid legal point. Does getting MP immunity AFTER your trial starts suddenly stop it? As opposed to the INTENT of the law to prevent spurious or harassing legal actions while in office, so as not to pressure a vote or sway a vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parmo1 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 The same thing happened in UK in the early 80s , Bobby Sands, erstwhile Northern Irish terrorist and hunger striker was elected as MP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SICHONSTEVE Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Quite right sharing opinion, but then you take it a stage further and declare it as a majority (very small indeed on the forum) opinion, Maybe you got your poll wrong Don't need to do a poll - it is obvious that more posters see this as a bad thing for Thailand's democracy than those trying to defend it!!! Not at all! Its only the hardcore TV elite-loving posters only who see it as so bad for democracy! The rest of us think its normal Thai politics, and many think that anything will be better than the Previous military sponsored government Really!!! Get ready to be disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Ok, please enlighten us as to which convicted criminal was pardoned and endorsed as an MP in Britain, US, Australia, Canada or New Zealand? We're waiting! Why not? Why so many slamming Thailand over this? It's not like our home countries haven't allowed evil people to run things. Really? Let's start at the top. Google 'George Bush war crimes'. Tony Blair was his cohort on this. Bubba and klan weren't convicted of anything, but they should have been, thus making it worse. Their power kept them safe. George and Tony weren't and are still not convicted criminals. and neither is Jatuporn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I wonder if he is gonna be able to travel to other countries, as am sure they will ban him as he was jailed on Terrorism charges. Good point, but on the other hand, would you actually want this character making official visits to other countries / attending regional meetings etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) The same thing happened in UK in the early 80s , Bobby Sands, erstwhile Northern Irish terrorist and hunger striker was elected as MP Whilst incarcerated, the major difference being sands was convicted, jatuporn has not been convicted. Some people need to learn the difference between remand prisoners and convicted prisoners. personally I am loving the hilarity of seeing all these yellow/dem/anti red posters floundering and spitting their dummies out at every headline, PTP have the power, live with it or foxtrot oscar Edited August 2, 2011 by random Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parmo1 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) Ok, please enlighten us as to which convicted criminal was pardoned and endorsed as an MP in Britain, US, Australia, Canada or New Zealand? Bobby Sands , IRA Terrorist was elected an MP in the UK parliament in the early 80s, many streets in French cities were named after him in his "honour", well until a young Frenchman was injured in one of the Northern Irish terrorists' nail bombs in London, that is. The main source of funds for the IRA was of course America, who openly permitted fundraising for the IRA Edited August 2, 2011 by parmo1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) Perhaps a page is being taken from the rest of the world? Northern Ireland and South Africa are just two places from 'the rest of the world' that spring quickly to mind where an interred 'terrorist' has ended up as MP, even president I'm sure historically minded TV members will add to this list. This has zero to do with a "page being taken from the rest of the world". Zero. But while I'm NOT claiming the two people or their respective deeds are analogous... Menachem Begin: Prime Minister of Israel for 5 years or so -- and arguably one of its most notable and accomplished. Edited August 2, 2011 by SteeleJoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 A convicted terrorist currently in jail in the parliament? Does this put Thailand on the axis of evil? I didn't agree with the terrorism charge anyway, but the situation where he has been convicted and is then allowed to sit in the parliament is a farce legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 A convicted terrorist currently in jail in the parliament? Does this put Thailand on the axis of evil? I didn't agree with the terrorism charge anyway, but the situation where he has been convicted and is then allowed to sit in the parliament is a farce legally. Convicted?????? really????? when was this???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunterHunter Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 People seem to be struggling with this concept... let me try again... He is not convicted, he is held pending trial Whilst i really dislike this maggot, it needs to be made clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) A convicted terrorist currently in jail in the parliament? Does this put Thailand on the axis of evil? I didn't agree with the terrorism charge anyway, but the situation where he has been convicted and is then allowed to sit in the parliament is a farce legally. Convicted?????? really????? when was this???????????? Sorry my mistake. In which case, the OP is extremely misleading. He is jailed on accusations of, awaiting trial. Edited August 2, 2011 by Thai at Heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 The main source of funds for the IRA was of course America I know this is one that people love to bring up -- some out of understandable resentment (ie British folks who can't stomach the idea of anyone helping the people who maimed, killed, and spread fear in the UK etc) and some just as a nice bit of US-bashing. But let's keep it in perspective... 1) The main source? I believe that was Libya but I'd be glad to be corrected. And one also has to include the income from various criminal activities -- I have no idea how they compare to what was sent from abroad. 2) To say it was "America" is misleading at best, methinks. The money you speak of came from (some -- a small minority of) Americans; not the government or the entire country -- unless you can correct me on that as well. And it was generally for NORAID -- which claimed to have been supporting only "peaceful means" and presumably some, many, or most believed that. (In fact I don't know that it's been definitively disproved). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picnel Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 T.I.T (this is Thailand) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 A convicted terrorist currently in jail in the parliament? Does this put Thailand on the axis of evil? I didn't agree with the terrorism charge anyway, but the situation where he has been convicted and is then allowed to sit in the parliament is a farce legally. Convicted?????? really????? when was this???????????? Sorry my mistake. In which case, the OP is extremely misleading. He is jailed on accusations of, awaiting trial. No problem, you are not the only one making this mistake, even some posters that KNOW he is not convicted seem to be pretending that he is, and calling this a disgrace etc, when in fact he has no convictions against him, and is only on remand for breaching bail conditions and not for the actual terrorism charge. You are correct about the heading being misleading though, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Nice BIASED Headlines. I wonder if anyone checked the archives for news flashes and see if a headline about 2 years ago might say something like ... "MP Apisit Lost Election, Now Presiding as Thai PM Through His Networks & Nepotism" You do enjoy flogging a dead horse dont you? Abhisit was voted in as Prime Minister by parliament, put whatever spin you like on it, it was a democratic process. Well if you want to look at it that way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Sorry my mistake. In which case, the OP is extremely misleading. He is jailed on accusations of, awaiting trial. Isn't he jailed on terrorism charges? Certainly not convicted though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 George and Tony weren't and are still not convicted criminals. and neither is Jatuporn Have I ever said that he is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SICHONSTEVE Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) People seem to be struggling with this concept... let me try again... He is not convicted, he is held pending trial Whilst i really dislike this maggot, it needs to be made clear I have ALWAYS stated convicted in my postings. However, I have seen his and his "red mates" rantings on stage (translation supplied by me dear wife) encouraging the more renegade factions to "burn Bangkok to the ground" as their illegal stay in the capital was ending and either my wife was lieing about what he, and his cohorts were saying, or this was indeed a "terrorist act of incitement to violence and arson". That Norwegian racist lunatic has not been convicted yet but do YOU doubt his guilt??? What's the difference?? That is not the point anyway really. It is more to do with violating his bail conditions and the doubts surrounding his membership of a political party, if true, this should have prevented him from being able to contest the election and that should have prevented his endorsement. This investigation is said to be ongoing but does anyone not doubt that anything will come of it!!! Edited August 2, 2011 by SICHONSTEVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) George and Tony weren't and are still not convicted criminals. and neither is Jatuporn Have I ever said that he is? Did you? Did I say you said that? Edited August 2, 2011 by random Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuian Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Amazing Thailand - Never stops to amaze me! Yo, now and THAT"S rally amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Nice BIASED Headlines. I wonder if anyone checked the archives for news flashes and see if a headline about 2 years ago might say something like ... "MP Apisit Lost Election, Now Presiding as Thai PM Through His Networks & Nepotism" This is coming from The Nation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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