Thai PM Yingluck Confident No Coup Against Her

[robertson468]

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It's funny, for people who call themselves "democrats", that their best hope to come back to power is a military coup.

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Given the current state of education in Thailand it is probably their only hope.

But as I said earlier incompetency is not a reason for a coup.

That is a accept way of doing government in Thailand.

Oh yeah, cry about that!

Funny, that this point comes up now, when the "stupid isan farmers" vote for TS.

I guess it was of little concern to anyone, when they voted like they "should", i.e. taking the cash from the "establishment" and shut up for the next few years, until the next election, when some politician remembered "Oh yes...there was that place...ahm...in the Northeast...what was it called...ah yeah...Isan! Let's go there and tell some lies to some people!"

All the people who are now moaning about the "uneducated" and their way of voting: you had the f@cking chance to "educate" them for 1000 years.

But you wanted and needed them stupid!

So stop your whining now!

Do you think you should restart the medication now?

[MunterHunter]

So PTP/Thaksin are not considered 'Elite' then, right?

As the old adage goes, Welcome the new boss, same as the old boss.

Same sh*t, different colour... and trying to say that Thaksin is no more corrupt than a sex tourist or other politicians is just farcical!

[DocN]

Oh man...so: THAI SOCIETY keeps them uneducated! Because the ruling "elite" (not the ruling government!) needs them to be uneducated!

Funny that the whining about the "uneducated" only occurred when TS started winning their votes "en masse"!

And THAT is what I mean!

No one EVER (as far as I know, but you may have some numbers and names to go along with, to impress us morons!) was complaining about the votes of the "uneducated" unless their votes really made a difference, in a way that the "old elite" didn't want!

EACH and EVERYONE is keeping them uneducated.

Only one side doesn't constantly complain about it, and that is the side that is winning AT THE MOMENT!

Except those that are in power at the moment are constantly using "The Elite are keeping the people uneducated" when in fact those people are no different than anyone else that has been in power.

Point taken

[DocN]

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It's funny, for people who call themselves "democrats", that their best hope to come back to power is a military coup.

_

Given the current state of education in Thailand it is probably their only hope.

But as I said earlier incompetency is not a reason for a coup.

That is a accept way of doing government in Thailand.

Oh yeah, cry about that!

Funny, that this point comes up now, when the "stupid isan farmers" vote for TS.

I guess it was of little concern to anyone, when they voted like they "should", i.e. taking the cash from the "establishment" and shut up for the next few years, until the next election, when some politician remembered "Oh yes...there was that place...ahm...in the Northeast...what was it called...ah yeah...Isan! Let's go there and tell some lies to some people!"

All the people who are now moaning about the "uneducated" and their way of voting: you had the f@cking chance to "educate" them for 1000 years.

But you wanted and needed them stupid!

So stop your whining now!

Do you think you should restart the medication now?

If you promise to stop the drinking!

[Sharp]

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It's funny, for people who call themselves "democrats", that their best hope to come back to power is a military coup.

_

Given the current state of education in Thailand it is probably their only hope.

But as I said earlier incompetency is not a reason for a coup.

That is a accept way of doing government in Thailand.

Oh yeah, cry about that!

Funny, that this point comes up now, when the "stupid isan farmers" vote for TS.

I guess it was of little concern to anyone, when they voted like they "should", i.e. taking the cash from the "establishment" and shut up for the next few years, until the next election, when some politician remembered "Oh yes...there was that place...ahm...in the Northeast...what was it called...ah yeah...Isan! Let's go there and tell some lies to some people!"

All the people who are now moaning about the "uneducated" and their way of voting: you had the f@cking chance to "educate" them for 1000 years.

But you wanted and needed them stupid!

So stop your whining now!

Spot on

[Phatcharanan]

"Don't worry, Bangkok won't be flooded"............"Don't worry, there won't be any disease outbreaks in Bangkok or any of the affected areas"..............."Don't worry, there won't be a military coup against me"

Anyone spot a pattern emerging here??????:jap:.

Errrrrrrrrrr nope.

Only you, apparently.

[Phatcharanan]

Oh man...so: THAI SOCIETY keeps them uneducated! Because the ruling "elite" (not the ruling government!) needs them to be uneducated!

Funny that the whining about the "uneducated" only occurred when TS started winning their votes "en masse"!

And THAT is what I mean!

No one EVER (as far as I know, but you may have some numbers and names to go along with, to impress us morons!) was complaining about the votes of the "uneducated" unless their votes really made a difference, in a way that the "old elite" didn't want!

EACH and EVERYONE is keeping them uneducated.

Only one side doesn't constantly complain about it, and that is the side that is winning AT THE MOMENT!

You're new ain't ya?

Edited December 14, 2011 by Phatcharanan

[DocN]

Oh man...so: THAI SOCIETY keeps them uneducated! Because the ruling "elite" (not the ruling government!) needs them to be uneducated!

Funny that the whining about the "uneducated" only occurred when TS started winning their votes "en masse"!

And THAT is what I mean!

No one EVER (as far as I know, but you may have some numbers and names to go along with, to impress us morons!) was complaining about the votes of the "uneducated" unless their votes really made a difference, in a way that the "old elite" didn't want!

EACH and EVERYONE is keeping them uneducated.

Only one side doesn't constantly complain about it, and that is the side that is winning AT THE MOMENT!

You're new ain't ya?

Not that new.

But why?

[tukkytuktuk]

Issan people are the poorest in Thailand, maybe they just can't afford a decent education.

[Oberkommando]

16.4% of them are medically retarded according to government stats.

Compared to about 8% of the rest of the population in other provinces.

Edited December 14, 2011 by Oberkommando

[nurofiend]

plus the current state of social division

more rural poor people = less democrat votes

and while i agree a more educated electorate is obviously important in any country, trt did do more for the rural poor/working class and was at least 'seen' to care more, and why wouldn't it have been seen that way by the poor - "income in the Northeast, the poorest part of the country, rose by 46% from 2001 to 2006. Nationwide poverty fell from 21.3% to 11.3%"

of course outside economics played it's part but the populist policies put in place were very visible in action to the poorer thai and did make some positive difference to many of their lives imo... farmers, taxi drivers...

Around in circles we go, back to the great Thaksin the redemptor myth. Yes, the lot of the rural poor improved between 2001 and 2006 (although a great many also fell heavily into debt and were forced to sell the one valuable asset they had - their land, but what the heck, they had a shiny new mobile phone as compensation), but look at the longer term trend. From the 2005 World Bank report on Thailand: "During the last 35 years, the Northeast was one of the fastest growing economies in the world. The Northeast's average percapita growth rate of 3.3 percent since 1970 has rivaled that of Latin America, South Asia or the group of high-incomecountries... With value-added per person growing three-fold in the Northeast in the last 35 years, household living standards improveddramatically. The poverty headcount fell from 56 percent in 1988 to 17 percent in 2004, and in spite of population growth,the number of poor dropped from 9 million to 3.7 million people. Rising living standards are visible in higher income andconsumption as well as more durable goods. For example, over two thirds of Northeast households had refrigerators in2002, compared to only one seventh in 1988. Almost all families own a television today, relative to only just over one inthree in the late 1980s."

I don't remember Thaksin being in charge in the 1970's, 80's and 90's when great leaps in living standards were made - from muddy clay roads, no electricity,and buffaloes being the only means of horsepower. By 2000, if you walked into any Isaan village, you would see the power lines, the mobile phone towers, the pickup trucks, motorcycles and tractors on the roads. Of course, up till then it was the local politicos and their cabals that took the false credit for this - the Banharns, Newins, Chavalits et al. Thaksin simply bought them out (although he later fell out with Newin), centralised the myth of the benevolent leader helping his people from the goodness of his heart and took the marketing hype to new levels.

"The poverty headcount fell from 56 percent in 1988 to 17 percent in 2004"

"income in the Northeast, the poorest part of the country, rose by 46% from 2001 to 2006"

do the math

try reading up more of his policies he put in place and tell me that they didn't help poor and working class people during his years... it's not a myth, sorry.

i made the point that these populist policies put in place were very visible in action to the poorer thai, do you disagree with this?

it's not about education, it's about what they seen during them years... you can get on your high horse and call them all dumb bumpkins but if you lived in their situation - and i don't mean have 'seen' or 'met' people in their situation - but if you were 'living' their situation and began to see policies put in place that were noticeably improving your life, why shouldn't they support him?

and that there was a PM who actually would sit and eat and listen to these people in a way that no PM before had done, what would you expect them to think about him.. it wasn't about being uneducated, it was about actually feeling recognized in the country they live in

and i'm not arguing about whether thaksins intentions were from a genuine caring place, and this isn't an argument from me about thaksin being a great guy... so you can save that retort/accusation, what i'm talking about should be obvious.

and if things were already so good for people in the north east pre-thaksin as you were arguing in your quoted text, then why do they all seem to say that things got a lot better in their lives during thaksins years? you really have a low opinion of those folks don't you... i should hope you don't think they're just a bunch of morons up there, as bigotry would be putting it lightly.

Edited December 14, 2011 by nurofiend

[nurofiend]

16.4% of them are medically retarded according to government stats.

Compared to about 8% of the rest of the population in other provinces.

oh man oh man, that's low.

but anyway, could you show me the source of these stats please? i'd like to see it in relation to other provinces

[MAJIC]

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It's funny, for people who call themselves "democrats", that their best hope to come back to power is a military coup.

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And Yingluks best hope of bringing her Brother back, and staying in power,is to Suck up to the Military,as she is doing now.

[hanuman1]

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It's funny, for people who call themselves "democrats", that their best hope to come back to power is a military coup.

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And Yingluks best hope of bringing her Brother back, and staying in power,is to Suck up to the Military,as she is doing now.

I think you'll find that 'sucking up to the military' has effectively been a part of the job description for any Prime Minister of Thailand in this as well as the last century. If you have a problem with this, you will not understand Thai politics anytime soon.

[Ricardo]

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It's funny, for people who call themselves "democrats", that their best hope to come back to power is a military coup.

_

And Yingluks best hope of bringing her Brother back, and staying in power,is to Suck up to the Military,as she is doing now.

I think you'll find that 'sucking up to the military' has effectively been a part of the job description for any Prime Minister of Thailand in this as well as the last century. If you have a problem with this, you will not understand Thai politics anytime soon.

Quite right, this is a power-group which isn't going-away anytime soon, I'm not saying I approve of it, just agreeing that the situation exists.

Governments & PMs do what they can, but within certain limits, it's not like farang-land. Although sometimes the more-obvious pork-barrels can perhaps be cut-back or delayed, to some extent.

IMO one thing which helped precipitate the 2006-coup was an attempt to take direct-control of the military, by over-riding the normal internal promotion gravy-train, that was a serious mis-judgement by Thaksin, which lesson appears to have been learned.

[sparebox2]

If the military tries another coup, they will be pushing their luck.

The UN is tired of their antics. All the coup makers are the real criminals. They got off thought they are clear traiters and you write about Thaksin being a criminal.....the liberal hypocrisy of westerners is astounding.

Traiters who? You are joking right?

How could they be a tratier if they carry out a "Good Coup".

Not all coups are equals.

[SAffer]

Issan people are the poorest in Thailand, maybe they just can't afford a decent education.

Yet most Thai teachers in Bangkok are from Isarn?

[hanuman1]

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It's funny, for people who call themselves "democrats", that their best hope to come back to power is a military coup.

_

And Yingluks best hope of bringing her Brother back, and staying in power,is to Suck up to the Military,as she is doing now.

I think you'll find that 'sucking up to the military' has effectively been a part of the job description for any Prime Minister of Thailand in this as well as the last century. If you have a problem with this, you will not understand Thai politics anytime soon.

Quite right, this is a power-group which isn't going-away anytime soon, I'm not saying I approve of it, just agreeing that the situation exists.

Governments & PMs do what they can, but within certain limits, it's not like farang-land. Although sometimes the more-obvious pork-barrels can perhaps be cut-back or delayed, to some extent.

IMO one thing which helped precipitate the 2006-coup was an attempt to take direct-control of the military, by over-riding the normal internal promotion gravy-train, that was a serious mis-judgement by Thaksin, which lesson appears to have been learned.

If, as you say, the lesson about trying to mess with the army has been learned, wouldn't that suggest that the 'dictatorship under Thaksin' scenario which so many concerned farangs like to spout on about here on TV, would more obviously become the extremely unlikely outcome it always has been in my view?

[Ricardo]

Quite right, this is a power-group which isn't going-away anytime soon, I'm not saying I approve of it, just agreeing that the situation exists.

Governments & PMs do what they can, but within certain limits, it's not like farang-land. Although sometimes the more-obvious pork-barrels can perhaps be cut-back or delayed, to some extent.

IMO one thing which helped precipitate the 2006-coup was an attempt to take direct-control of the military, by over-riding the normal internal promotion gravy-train, that was a serious mis-judgement by Thaksin, which lesson appears to have been learned.

If, as you say, the lesson about trying to mess with the army has been learned, wouldn't that suggest that the 'dictatorship under Thaksin' scenario which so many concerned farangs like to spout on about here on TV, would more obviously become the extremely unlikely outcome it always has been in my view?

Interesting question. Personally I believe he was aiming for that, last time round, but poor-judgement/advice led him to rush things towards the end.

This time round he is unlikely to make the same mistake.

I don't believe he has become a Born-Again democrat, or that he has 'Quit Thai Politics', I think it's about regaining lost-face and his former control, the end-game may now be delayed until after an unfortunate event takes place.

That PM-Yingluck is currently trying hard to get-along with the military, and that Jatuporn's long-heralded new coup has so far failed-to-materialise, is all to the good. Her PTP-led coalition-government thus has time to show how many of its pre-election promises it means to keep.

This still doesn't mean that your "extremely unlikely outcome" has been abandoned by him. It's what he plans that counts. The tactics may have been modified, but the long-term objective could remain the same, only time will tell.

[Pi Sek]

Oh yeah, cry about that!

Funny, that this point comes up now, when the "stupid isan farmers" vote for TS.

I guess it was of little concern to anyone, when they voted like they "should", i.e. taking the cash from the "establishment" and shut up for the next few years, until the next election, when some politician remembered "Oh yes...there was that place...ahm...in the Northeast...what was it called...ah yeah...Isan! Let's go there and tell some lies to some people!"

All the people who are now moaning about the "uneducated" and their way of voting: you had the f@cking chance to "educate" them for 1000 years.

But you wanted and needed them stupid!

So stop your whining now!

You really need to do some research before making a total fool of yourself. Such as just who the Isan farmers voted for prior to 2001. Do you even know what the NAP was, who was its leader and deputy leader and what happened to it/them?

And you should really try to understand, before you accuse someone...

Understand what? You clearly don't have a clue about who the rural people have traditionally voted for, and in just whose interest it was, and still is, to keep them uneducated. Here's a clue. Education standards in the Northeast are the lowest in the country. That was so before 2001, and remains so to this day. Now, who is "in charge" of the Northeast now? Who has always been "in charge" of the Northeast, at least since the restoration of democracy in 1988? Who is keeping them uneducated?

Ouch!