webfact Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Study finds North rural people with high toxins The Nation CHIANG MAI: -- High levels of a toxin contained in the harmful haze that is currently blanketing nine upper northern provinces have been found in the urine of people who live near areas where burning and forestfires are common. Chiang Mai University's Research Institute for Health and Science studied the health impact of haze in the upper northern provinces on residents during the past three years. It found that atmospheric levels of small particles caused by forest and bush fires in areas outside towns were two to three times higher than those in urban areas, depending on weather conditions. A senior researcher on pollution and environmental health, Tippawan Prapamonton, said her team of researchers collected urine samples from both adults and children living in urban areas and those outside urban areas in the upper north. They found that the level of PAH, a widespread pollutant released during the burning of gasoline, oil, charcoal and garbage, was 13 times higher in urine samples collected in nonurban areas than in samples from urban areas. Meanwhile, the number of children suffering from respiratory disease has increased drastically, Tippawan said. "We have handed our findings to the Chiang Mai governor for use in resolving the health problems due to haze and pollution," she said. Chiang Mai authorities plan to install devices to monitor smoke and smallparticle levels in eight provinces in the Upper North in a bid to resolve the haze problem in the long term. However, atmospheric levels of fineparticle dust, or PM 10, in Chiang Rai province's Mae Sai district were measured at 384 micrograms per cubic metre, which is above safe levels. About 150 people per day reported suffering from respiratory diseases. About 300,000 masks have been sent to the nine upper North provinces to prevent further health risks. Lamphun governor Surachai Khanarsa said he would strictly enforce the law and mete out strong punishment to those who illegally burn bush and forestland. Many tourist groups have cancelled their plans to visit attractions in the North, especially in Mae Sai district, due to the haze situation, affecting local businesses including restaurants and hotels. -- The Nation 2012-03-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post chooka Posted March 9, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2012 This will never stop, it will go on year after year and the people will continue to poison and kill themselves. Sure the local authorities can say they they will strictly enforce laws but when there is corruption nothing will be done a few baht to look the other way and all is fixed. If Thailand was really concerned about this who do you think would be screaming the loudest? It would be T.A.T worried about tourists wallets but they know most tourists arrive via Bangkok and will just spend down south and if the fools go north and suffer health problems hey it has nothing to do with Thailand as they were not forced to come. Places like Chiangmai are a long way from Bangkok so who really cares about a few rice farmers and Hilltribe people. Thailand (Which extends beyond BKK borders) needs to forget about pipe dreams like formular 1 racing for the elite hi so sect and start investing in it's future, start educating people about the health risks caused by practices such as this mass burning along with so many other things 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boater Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 i thought the article was referring to people on Loah Koh and Sam Sato !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunVee Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 That authorities are enforcing the law and getting "tough" is ABSOLUTE B*S* I drive up and down between Phrao and Chiang Mai every other day or so. For example, on that stretch of road (95 KM) there's 5 police check-points. Each check-point is manned by officers 24/7 I can tell because their motorbikes and cars are parked in front and the airco's are running. At night lights and aTV are on. On that same stretch of road (yesterday for instance) there we're 5 great fires burning each the size of at least 500 sqm.... The cars of the arsonists where parked on the hard shoulder and the men where clearly visible in the forest, setting the fires ablaze. (I wanted to stop and take pictures, but my BF said they might get agressive so we kept moving) Only 1Km further down the road we were stopped by police at one of those check-points,..... to check our TAX and Insurance papers !?!?!?! On the other side of the road where also 2 motorbikes stopped and got fined for NO HELMET !!!!!! We continued and saw the other fires going on as they are since 3 weeks. At night we stay in the Phrao "valley" and we could see all the hill tops surrounding us in fire. Police is doing NOTHING!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Maybe the photographer needs a haze filter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacker Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 <"Chiang Mai authorities plan to install devices to monitor smoke and small particle levels in eight provinces in the Upper North in a bid to resolve the haze problem in the long term."> Typical response. Great idea .... to install a device to monitor the problem so in the long term it will be stopped. What a load of sh*t. They already have millions of monitoring devices which are called eyes and noses and throats ... nothing else needed except some determination and resolve ..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisico Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) "Chiang Mai authorities plan to install devices to monitor smoke and small particle levels in eight provinces in the Upper North in a bid to resolve the haze problem in the long term." PLAN to install: Planing? How long will it take before they are actually installed? TO MONITOR?: Then Chiang Mai University's Research Institute for Health and Science study is not complete and/or reliable enough to motivate the Northern powers that be to do something about the problem? MONITOR THE PROBLEM WILL RESOLVE IT IN THE LONG TERM? No! but it will give the appearance that the big wigs "care" about the little people. Image is everything. Any similarities with the traits of a Third World mentality is not purely coincidental. Curious to hear the rebuttal of the usual apologists. Edited March 10, 2012 by pisico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surayu Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Police is doing NOTHING!!!! KhunVee i find your statement unfair, we should see things from both parts and once this is done, i am sure that we will find out that they are more than likely taking an active role even on this, wherever there are some easy money rolling in they have their hands into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 It explains why they vote for him, he's in their blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunVee Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 It is not a statement. It is an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilreg Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 i live around 3 km away from Doi Suthep and cannot see any hill at all, so its really bad here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiSold Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 went out today saw more fires, keeps going on, it's all BS just as much as this article is, how do you know the toxins arn't from something else?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonableman Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 What other sources are there, in your opinion? Industry? ... went out today saw more fires, keeps going on, it's all BS just as much as this article is, how do you know the toxins arn't from something else?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Priceless Posted March 10, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2012 'Chiang Mai authorities plan to install devices to monitor smoke and smallparticle levels in eight provinces in the Upper North in a bid to resolve the haze problem in the long term.' They're making it rather easy on themselves, since there are already monitoring devices in all eight Upper North provinces (Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Lamphang, Lamphun, Mae Hong Son, Nan, Payao,and Phrae) since several years back. These have not 'resolved the haze problem' yet, nor will they or a thousand more 'devices'. The burning that is going on is already illegal, as far as I know, The problem is that Thailand's 140,000 policemen have no discernible interest in doing their job, i.e. enforce the law. Maybe the famous Pol. Capt. Chalerm, who will eradicate drug abuse within a year, could get just a few of these policemen out of their air-conditioned offices to do some work for a change. / Priceless 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KireB Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 went out today saw more fires, keeps going on, it's all BS just as much as this article is, how do you know the toxins arn't from something else?? BS indeed! Just inhaled the delicious trash and plastic smoke of about all my neighbors! Mai pen rai! It's not unhealthy according to the villagers! That half of them has respiratory problems is explained as culture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 'Chiang Mai authorities plan to install devices to monitor smoke and smallparticle levels in eight provinces in the Upper North in a bid to resolve the haze problem in the long term.' They're making it rather easy on themselves, since there are already monitoring devices in all eight Upper North provinces (Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Lamphang, Lamphun, Mae Hong Son, Nan, Payao,and Phrae) since several years back. These have not 'resolved the haze problem' yet, nor will they or a thousand more 'devices'. The burning that is going on is already illegal, as far as I know, The problem is that Thailand's 140,000 policemen have no discernible interest in doing their job, i.e. enforce the law. Maybe the famous Pol. Capt. Chalerm, who will eradicate drug abuse within a year, could get just a few of these policemen out of their air-conditioned offices to do some work for a change. / Priceless Next year after they have eradicated the drug problem in Thailand they can eradicate the smog problem and the year after the corruption problem. Aren't we lucky to have them here on are side. Thailand will be the hub of honest hard working BIB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrytheyoung Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 'Chiang Mai authorities plan to install devices to monitor smoke and smallparticle levels in eight provinces in the Upper North in a bid to resolve the haze problem in the long term.' They're making it rather easy on themselves, since there are already monitoring devices in all eight Upper North provinces (Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Lamphang, Lamphun, Mae Hong Son, Nan, Payao,and Phrae) since several years back. These have not 'resolved the haze problem' yet, nor will they or a thousand more 'devices'. The burning that is going on is already illegal, as far as I know, The problem is that Thailand's 140,000 policemen have no discernible interest in doing their job, i.e. enforce the law. Maybe the famous Pol. Capt. Chalerm, who will eradicate drug abuse within a year, could get just a few of these policemen out of their air-conditioned offices to do some work for a change. / Priceless Next year after they have eradicated the drug problem in Thailand they can eradicate the smog problem and the year after the corruption problem. Aren't we lucky to have them here on are side. Thailand will be the hub of honest hard working BIB How much "tea money per device"? good opportunity to fill the pocket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard10365 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I think if embassies like the American, British, and Australian embassies issued travel warnings about this pollution problem then Thailand might consider doing a bit more to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattayadingo Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I had considered moving North for a year or so but this has definitely put me off. It used to be bad enough in areas where they burned the sugar cane. Maybe I will go visit when the air is clearer and leave it at that. Seems to me the authorities here are all smoke and mirrors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alant Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 must say it is particularly bad this year, you can taste it. bring on the rain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japatee Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Please support this campaign to stop the burning and put an end to the air pollution http://www.breathecampaign.net/ http://www.breathecampaign.net/th (thai) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) ah thailand... floods from august till november, trash burning all year long, forest fires jan - feb - march each year what a nice place rain could solve this problem, right ? isn't there somebody claiming thai invented cloud raining on demand ? Edited March 11, 2012 by belg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfmuc Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Please support this campaign to stop the burning and put an end to the air pollution http://www.breathecampaign.net/ http://www.breathecampaign.net/th (thai) Nothing more to add. - Thanks japatee.W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cup-O-coffee Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 The weather has been quite hot lately. Perhaps what we are seeing now is simply the visible evidence of what has been going on all along, yet the past wet, windy weather has heretofore kept invisible. From Wikipedia: in meteorological literature generally is used to denote visibility-reducing aerosols of the wet type. Such aerosols commonly arise from complex chemical reactions that occur as gases emitted during combustion are converted into small droplets of sulfuric acid. The reactions are enhanced in the presence of sunlight, high relative humidity, and stagnant air flow. A small component of wet haze aerosols appear to be derived from compounds released by trees, such as . For all these reasons, wet haze tends to be primarily a warm-season phenomenon. Large areas of haze covering many thousands of kilometers may be produced under favorable conditions each summer. With that in mind, one wonders if explanation might make one feel that there is no hope for any solution if the criminals ignore even the highest of criticisms. It seems greed in this country supersedes altruism and great wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennalder Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I and some of my friends ride bicycles in the 250-400km per week range. After a great deal of research I found a product that I believe greatly mitigates the effect of this smoke, and provides untold other health benefits. In order to substantiate the efficacy of this product on this problem I did some extensive research into the smoke situation in Chiang Mai. I must say despite some criticism here the OP was mostly correct about the causes of the smoke and the type of carcinogens involved, (PAH's). He may have simplified in places to make it more understandable. I did some of the same but to a lesser extent. I posted my research here https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BzdiHOCJvtD9VlFNR01rRXZRYzY0NmFwdjFsZm41dw My original intent was to also take into account the problems caused by vehicular emissions, including Cadmium (cut short), and Carbon Black, (omitted). I cited a couple of references on Cadmium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco911 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I think if embassies like the American, British, and Australian embassies issued travel warnings about this pollution problem then Thailand might consider doing a bit more to stop it. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco911 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Lamphun governor Surachai Khanarsa said he would strictly enforce the law and mete out strong punishment to those who illegally burn bush and forestland. What about farm land, guess that's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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