MAJIC Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 HMMMMMMMMMMM until after the next General Election, hmmmmm, what a jolly good idea! Sure people wont mind, we have not broken a promise just delayed it. Some one said what about the inflation in the country, yes what about it indeed! When you finally get the 300bt a day rise you say "Ghosh that was worth the wait." Or maybe not and you will see you have been had, again. broken promise ?? Look again at who wants to delay the increase. The promise is from the government to the people. If they don't fulfill that promise then its a broken promise, regardless of the reason they use for not fulfilling it. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com 1) the wage committee makes the decision, the government is 1/3 of that 2) the point here is - and you can read it for yourself - that business is requesting the delay. 3) another poster has talked about a broken promise, which is not the case as the government has not delayed the 2nd phase. There is no broken promise, only the business lobby who wants it to become broken. How can you sit at your computer and smugly argue,in favour of a Government that is in the process of renading on their Pre Election promise? Worst part it's a pittance as well you know? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siam Simon Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 1) the wage committee makes the decision, the government is 1/3 of that 2) the point here is - and you can read it for yourself - that business is requesting the delay. 3) another poster has talked about a broken promise, which is not the case as the government has not delayed the 2nd phase. There is no broken promise, only the business lobby who wants it to become broken. How can you sit at your computer and smugly argue,in favour of a Government that is in the process of renading on their Pre Election promise? Worst part it's a pittance as well you know? What a supercilious remark! There is nothing smug about defending an attempt to raise the minimum wage. It may be a pittance to you, but several hundred baht a week is a lot of money to a lot of people in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 There is nothing smug about defending an attempt to raise the minimum wage. That is not what is being smugly defended. Broken promises are what is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 The government has insisted that the 300 baht minimum wage WILL go national at the start of next year. They also said that they wouldn't increase it to 500 or 700 baht as requested by some businesses. "Some business leaders have actually proposed raising the minimum wage to 500 to 700 baht a day. But we're not doing that, since it's clear that some businesses simply couldn't adjust," he said. Yeah, right. Businesses are going to request minimum wages be doubled or tripled. Charoen Pokphand Group (CP) chairman and CEO Dhanin Chearavanont has suggested that Thailand's daily minimum wage should be as high as Bt500. http://www.nationmul...s-30174243.html Isn't CP Group the biggest company in Thailand? the biggest or one of the biggest. Supermarket chains, various kind of food production, factories and farming. A lot investments outside thailand. for example in China. Traditionally never mess around in politics. It is said that they are so rich they could simply decide is PM of Thailand, but they keep neutral. It is also said they out-weight Thaksin and are well respected in the business community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 There is nothing smug about defending an attempt to raise the minimum wage. That is not what is being smugly defended. Broken promises are what is. yes but who cares, if that ugly smelly labor get 100 Baht more....the election are won and there is more important things to do, for example sing a song with the dear leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 maybe bangkok will be flooded again soon by all the reddies that got suckered in voting their lovely PTP into office with fake promises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 1) the wage committee makes the decision, the government is 1/3 of that 2) the point here is - and you can read it for yourself - that business is requesting the delay. 3) another poster has talked about a broken promise, which is not the case as the government has not delayed the 2nd phase. There is no broken promise, only the business lobby who wants it to become broken. How can you sit at your computer and smugly argue,in favour of a Government that is in the process of renading on their Pre Election promise? Worst part it's a pittance as well you know? What a supercilious remark! There is nothing smug about defending an attempt to raise the minimum wage. It may be a pittance to you, but several hundred baht a week is a lot of money to a lot of people in Thailand. By western standards it is a pittance,and by the time (if) the Thai People get the minimum wage, it will have been eroded by inflation,which is happening already. And the Government does not need any defence,they are the ones that promised 300 baht per day,to the people,and are now trying to delay it,and worse probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 This will be a test of who the PTP serve, either the electrate that voted them in or business leaders that grease their palms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) HMMMMMMMMMMM until after the next General Election, hmmmmm, what a jolly good idea! Sure people wont mind, we have not broken a promise just delayed it. Some one said what about the inflation in the country, yes what about it indeed! When you finally get the 300bt a day rise you say "Ghosh that was worth the wait." Or maybe not and you will see you have been had, again. broken promise ?? Look again at who wants to delay the increase. The promise is from the government to the people. If they don't fulfill that promise then its a broken promise, regardless of the reason they use for not fulfilling it. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com 1) the wage committee makes the decision, the government is 1/3 of that 2) the point here is - and you can read it for yourself - that business is requesting the delay. 3) another poster has talked about a broken promise, which is not the case as the government has not delayed the 2nd phase. There is no broken promise, only the business lobby who wants it to become broken. Rubbish! The government promised to introduce the 300 baht minimum wage as a legal requirement. That means business can complain all they want but they still have to pay the minimum. And whichever way you cut it the bottom line is Pheu Thai have conned their voters. Shameful. Edited April 21, 2012 by bigbamboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 -- deleted text due to quote limits -- broken promise ?? Look again at who wants to delay the increase. The promise is from the government to the people. If they don't fulfill that promise then its a broken promise, regardless of the reason they use for not fulfilling it. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com 1) the wage committee makes the decision, the government is 1/3 of that 2) the point here is - and you can read it for yourself - that business is requesting the delay. 3) another poster has talked about a broken promise, which is not the case as the government has not delayed the 2nd phase. There is no broken promise, only the business lobby who wants it to become broken. There is already a broken promise in that the government promised an immediate nationwide minimum wage increase to 300 baht. What the have delivered so far is the increase in only 7 provinces, with the other 70 provinces being delayed by 12 months. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Did you forget that the other 70 were raised 39.5%? Or that April to Jan is only 9 months? Just checking.... Call that a broken promise if you will. But I would call that pounding on the government for no good reason. Certainly you can find other, justifiable, reasons to beat on the current gov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 1) the wage committee makes the decision, the government is 1/3 of that 2) the point here is - and you can read it for yourself - that business is requesting the delay. 3) another poster has talked about a broken promise, which is not the case as the government has not delayed the 2nd phase. There is no broken promise, only the business lobby who wants it to become broken. How can you sit at your computer and smugly argue,in favour of a Government that is in the process of renading on their Pre Election promise? Worst part it's a pittance as well you know? What a supercilious remark! There is nothing smug about defending an attempt to raise the minimum wage. It may be a pittance to you, but several hundred baht a week is a lot of money to a lot of people in Thailand. By western standards it is a pittance,and by the time (if) the Thai People get the minimum wage, it will have been eroded by inflation,which is happening already. And the Government does not need any defence,they are the ones that promised 300 baht per day,to the people,and are now trying to delay it,and worse probably. Where is your logic that the government are trying to delay the minimum wage? The FTI is the government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 HMMMMMMMMMMM until after the next General Election, hmmmmm, what a jolly good idea! Sure people wont mind, we have not broken a promise just delayed it. Some one said what about the inflation in the country, yes what about it indeed! When you finally get the 300bt a day rise you say "Ghosh that was worth the wait." Or maybe not and you will see you have been had, again. broken promise ?? Look again at who wants to delay the increase. Look again at who is delaying the increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 - deleted text , quote limits - broken promise ?? Look again at who wants to delay the increase. Look again at who is delaying the increase. explain it to me, hellodolly, and please go into detail. Who is delaying the increase and how is it being delayed. Go ahead and start by explaining the current status and implementation plan, then feel free to move to the description about whom is delaying that plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 HMMMMMMMMMMM until after the next General Election, hmmmmm, what a jolly good idea! Sure people wont mind, we have not broken a promise just delayed it. Some one said what about the inflation in the country, yes what about it indeed! When you finally get the 300bt a day rise you say "Gosh that was worth the wait." Or maybe not and you will see you have been had, again. Inflation? Wage hike impacts food cost in Thailand Press TV - Today . Good job PTP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrysteve Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 The Government is making the 3 Great Promises: 1. We is will wire the money to your account. 2. Don't call us we will call you during re-election time. 3. We won't poop on the promises we made, we will just postpone them till the next lifetime. All in the name of the Great Buddha coz we are a Buddhist nation. The motto has changed....Save Money and the Hell with Saving Face!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 maybe bangkok will be flooded again soon by all the reddies that got suckered in voting their lovely PTP into office with fake promises why? Who should pay the 500 Baht per day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoodMaiDai Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Just in time for ASEAN when all the other Asian countries are going to storm Thailand and take a lot of jobs from the Thais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easybullet3 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 i thought it was supposed to have happened early this year. why are they delaying it? I wonder!! - finally the large public can see it was purely a 'vote catching' plan. but the current government will blame INDUSTRY for not being able to bring it in.. (so they avoid blame for lying about a policy they knew they wont bring in) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetley Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Where is your logic that the government are trying to delay the minimum wage? The FTI is the government? How many provinces have 300 bht minimum wage? It has been delayed until at least next year in the vast majority of provinces. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louse1953 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I could see delaying the increase for very small businesses, less than five employees say. But larger businesses and especially businesses with over 20 employees need to pay up and stop exploiting their own citizens. If a business can't pay its employees a living wage, then it's not a viable business anyway. So employees in small business become 2nd class citizens.As far as any business is concerned,no time is right for a pay rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Govt shuns request to postpone wage hike policy to 2015 BANGKOK, 22 April 2012 (NNT) – The government has decided to turn down the private sector’s request for postponement in the implementation of the minimum wage hike policy to 2015, reasoning that the policy will enhance the competitiveness of the Thai workforce. Acting Government Spokesperson Anusorn Iamsa-ard said that the private sector is set to submit a proposal to the government in hopes of reducing the impact from the daily minimum wage hike to 300 baht as well as delaying its entry into force in 70 provinces across the country from 2013 to 2015. The private sector is also expected to suggest the establishment of a 10-20 billion-baht fund to serve as loans for SME businesses. Mr. Anusorn said that the government realizes the industrial sector’s important roles in propelling the Thai economy and that it is ready to take into consideration opinions from all relevant sides. Mr. Anusorn also expressed his gratitude, on behalf of the government, towards the President of the Federation of Thai Industries, Mr. Phayungsak Chartsuthipol, for having worked closely and shared his visions on the matter with the government. However, Mr. Anusorn stated that the government has decided to raise the minimum wage per day to 300 baht in order to assist the Thai workforce as well as elevate their potentials and competitiveness to be on par with other countries. Thus, the government will work hard to enhance the skills of workers in Thailand to match with the higher wage. -- NNT 2012-04-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post whybother Posted April 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2012 The government has decided to turn down the private sector’s request for postponement in the implementation of the minimum wage hike policy to 2015, reasoning that the policy will enhance the competitiveness of the Thai workforce. How does a straight increase of the minimum wage "enhance the competitiveness of the workforce"? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 The government has insisted that the 300 baht minimum wage WILL go national at the start of next year. They also said that they wouldn't increase it to 500 or 700 baht as requested by some businesses. "Some business leaders have actually proposed raising the minimum wage to 500 to 700 baht a day. But we're not doing that, since it's clear that some businesses simply couldn't adjust," he said. Yeah, right. Businesses are going to request minimum wages be doubled or tripled. Charoen Pokphand Group (CP) chairman and CEO Dhanin Chearavanont has suggested that Thailand's daily minimum wage should be as high as Bt500. http://www.nationmul...s-30174243.html I read the article and he indeed did say that, He said it was to help people adjust to the high cost of living and inflation. He said nothing about holding those back due to the high cost of labor. I think the daily minimum wage should be raised to 1,000 Baht a day and no increase in prices to start immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mitker Posted April 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2012 HMMMMMMMMMMM until after the next General Election, hmmmmm, what a jolly good idea! Sure people wont mind, we have not broken a promise just delayed it. Some one said what about the inflation in the country, yes what about it indeed! When you finally get the 300bt a day rise you say "Ghosh that was worth the wait." Or maybe not and you will see you have been had, again. broken promise ?? Look again at who wants to delay the increase. The promise is from the government to the people. If they don't fulfill that promise then its a broken promise, regardless of the reason they use for not fulfilling it. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Indeed, the typical trick of Santa Klaus PTP. Lure with cheap promises - get elected - forget about them and blame the others. The only goal has been achieved anyway: now you can run the country as your own private family business. Pitiful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 The government has decided to turn down the private sector’s request for postponement in the implementation of the minimum wage hike policy to 2015, reasoning that the policy will enhance the competitiveness of the Thai workforce. How does a straight increase of the minimum wage "enhance the competitiveness of the workforce"? Long term, i'm not sure it does. Short term, it might give the workforce a boost. Either way, I'm in favour of the increase and am happy the government is trying to push it through. My only issue is that the whole idea didn't get a bit more thinking and planning - at least enough thinking and planning to ensure its implementation was possible - before promising it to the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Where is your logic that the government are trying to delay the minimum wage? The FTI is the government? How many provinces have 300 bht minimum wage? It has been delayed until at least next year in the vast majority of provinces. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com How many provinces got a 39.5% increase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 The government has decided to turn down the private sector’s request for postponement in the implementation of the minimum wage hike policy to 2015, reasoning that the policy will enhance the competitiveness of the Thai workforce. How does a straight increase of the minimum wage "enhance the competitiveness of the workforce"? Just read the rest of the article. The answer is in there. But feel free to post misinterpretations at will. Everyone else seems to be joining you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 HMMMMMMMMMMM until after the next General Election, hmmmmm, what a jolly good idea! Sure people wont mind, we have not broken a promise just delayed it. Some one said what about the inflation in the country, yes what about it indeed! When you finally get the 300bt a day rise you say "Ghosh that was worth the wait." Or maybe not and you will see you have been had, again. broken promise ?? Look again at who wants to delay the increase. The promise is from the government to the people. If they don't fulfill that promise then its a broken promise, regardless of the reason they use for not fulfilling it. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Indeed, the typical trick of Santa Klaus PTP. Lure with cheap promises - get elected - forget about them and blame the others. The only goal has been achieved anyway: now you can run the country as your own private family business. Pitiful. How has the promise been forgotten? April : 300B in 7 provinces, 39.5% increase in all others with a second step to 300B in January. Looks to be right on track as long as the business lobby doesn't succeed in derailing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 1) the wage committee makes the decision, the government is 1/3 of that 2) the point here is - and you can read it for yourself - that business is requesting the delay. 3) another poster has talked about a broken promise, which is not the case as the government has not delayed the 2nd phase. There is no broken promise, only the business lobby who wants it to become broken. How can you sit at your computer and smugly argue,in favour of a Government that is in the process of renading on their Pre Election promise? Worst part it's a pittance as well you know? What a supercilious remark! There is nothing smug about defending an attempt to raise the minimum wage. It may be a pittance to you, but several hundred baht a week is a lot of money to a lot of people in Thailand. True Now if the government could only bring the cost of living down several hundred Baht a week it would mean a lot to a lot of Thai's. Or even stop the cost of living from going up. It is perfectly obvious that they will not fulfill their promise this year and in all likely hood if they do it will be just before the next election so they can say look what we did for you, Disregarding the raise is not enough to make up for the cost of living. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) - deleted text , quote limits - broken promise ?? Look again at who wants to delay the increase. Look again at who is delaying the increase. explain it to me, hellodolly, and please go into detail. Who is delaying the increase and how is it being delayed. Go ahead and start by explaining the current status and implementation plan, then feel free to move to the description about whom is delaying that plan. The Government is delaying the implication of the plan they spend their time trying to bring there boss back. They made a promise and all they have to do is forget white washing there leader and concentrate on enacting the law for the whole country that they used for the seven provinces they have already delivered on. It is not rocket science they have already figured out how to do it legally and are just dragging their feet. If you don't believe me explain how it happened in seven provinces already. They know how. Or are you trying to say they have finally figured it out that all will not be rosie if they deliver on their promise. What are your thoughts on the field hands getting 300 Baht a day do you think they will under the present Government? Edited April 22, 2012 by hellodolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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