Did Thai Wife Dating Ruin Thailand?......

[theblether]

@ the poster that said that Scots are bigots. May well be right in some cases, but you only show your bigotry by writing off an entire nation.

I missed the sectarian bigotry in the 80's for a couple of reasons, so that part of life passed me by. The first time I experienced bigotry was when I went to army training in Surrey.

I got the overnight train to London, put my bags into Left Luggage at the station and the attendants gave me some abuse when they heard my accent. I could not believe it, there was about 10 seconds of stunned disbelief by me followed by 30 seconds of disbelief by them when I dragged the biggest mouth over the counter and rag dolled him. I couldn't kick his head in as I was on an army ticket and I didn't fancy cleaning out toilets with toothbrushes.

It got worse at the training camp, I won't go into detail.....I will say though that it was a very different blether that came out of that camp. I'd had a taste of "racism" and I'm actually thankful for it as it was an education for me.

Just sayin'

[krisb]

@krisb......do you mind? that's me in my avatar. I have never been so insulted.

Sniff.

Okay, truthful answer. I was only 18 and I was oblivious to people's attitudes. It was a bit of a shock to me when I heard some of the things being said.

My memory of the lady is that she was superstrict with her children, supercareful with money, and always appeared to be very professional. What I saw and what I heard didn't compute.

I happen to know that they are still happily married and have done well financially. Chalk that up to Big Success in my book.

I remember my mother saying that the guy had worked in Asia for a long time, so the chances are it wasn't a mail order bride, but it didn't stop the comments. More fool they that made them.

You know what really matters Blether...Who gives a flying crap what others think.

I couldnt be happier having a Thai wife, who has given me the most beautiful healthy daughter. My wifes taught me how to be a better man. Having anything else just wouldnt be the same. My family and close friends understand, love and accept my wife and my decisions, and as for strangers and the rest who wonder where he got her from, I couldnt give 2 flying turds. thats bottom line . I feel privileged to have a Thai wife, daughter, the culture that goes with it all, I wouldnt want anything else.

[chiangmaikelly]

Wasn't the thread about wives and mail order brides and such? How did it get to hookers? Or is the case being made that they are the same thing? Is a woman who marries a man from another country automatically a hooker?

[rene123]

Wasn't the thread about wives and mail order brides and such? How did it get to hookers? Or is the case being made that they are the same thing? Is a woman who marries a man from another country automatically a hooker?

There is not a lot of difference in many cases, Kelly. Women have been using their bodies to negotiate a better deal for themselves ever since Adam and Eve. Men have only been too happy to go along with the deals. Call it what you will. It's only that the hypocrites try to separate the arrangement in different wording to put themselves in a better light. Clean off the jargon and it's the same thing.

[stoneyboy]

I think this picture answers the OP regarding how people think in the UK,while it may be light hearted British banter it's offensive for others no doubts.

[arthurwait]

I'm thinking all the Thai hookers ruined the perception of Thailand forever.

Maybe true, but many more countries have many more hookers. America has numerous times the amount but doesn't have the reputation.

Numerous times per capita? I wonder. (If you mean total number then you might consider the vast difference in population size.)

What I know is that America doesn't have anywhere near the number of different types of commercial sex venues so openly available and such a massive part of the mainstream economy and culture.

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Ok how about India or Brazil ?

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[krisb]

I might agree that their was a time between mail order brides and internet dating when I would have agreed with you. But I think the world has moved beyond that now.

I don't like to take "snippits" out of someone's text because it often changes the original meaning, but this sentence holds true in most of North America and most certainly most of Canada. MrRealDeal's first reply was excellent.

The same could be said about gay bashing. 20 years ago in Canada, gay bashing was common, but not so much today. Most people have slowly opened their eyes to the real world. I've never noticed any ridicule of men with Asian wives or girl friends in Canada because I grew up in Vancouver where there is a huge mix of Asians and other ethnic groups. In fact, the term "Hongcouver" was used to describe the number of Chinese in Vancouver.

The internet today has completely changed the world and it has been a hard adjustment for some older people. My father still has friends who have never been on a computer and don't own cell phones.

I haven't spent too much time in Great Britain so I can't say what it's like as far as mixing of races. All I get is second hand information from my sister in London and we seldom talk about those things.

Hi Rene, its great to have a females pov on this mostly male general topic forum. Ive seen your posts ,so bit off topic, but Blether wont mind(much), tell us bout yourself, what are your interests in Thailand? and also these threads on TVF? Whats a females view on Thai girls and western men?

[krisb]

I think this picture answers the OP regarding how people think in the UK,while it may be light hearted British banter it's offensive for others no doubts.

So what your saying is in the UK, people judge books by their cover?...I see what your aim is, but these people are here rightly as you and I are and thus have the human rights you also do, including the basic rights of feeling love and being happy. Dont be mean, thats what your doing. Let them live their life without prejudice and judgement. Its not your job to do so.

[Scully]

I think this picture answers the OP regarding how people think in the UK,while it may be light hearted British banter it's offensive for others no doubts.

So what your saying is in the UK, people judge books by their cover?...I see what your aim is, but these people are here rightly as you and I are and thus have the human rights you also do, including the basic rights of feeling love and being happy. Dont be mean, thats what your doing. Let them live their life without prejudice and judgement. Its not your job to do so.

Also the whole joke is that the Thai lady in the picture stands up to pee, still un pc but hey.

[GarryP]

I think the bad perception started with the GI's and R&R breaks in Bangkok in the Vietnam war era. When I came to Thailand 30 years ago I had never heard of mail order brides from Thailand, and knew nothing of the reputation of certain red light areas. I did not even know they exisited. Only a couple of people in my circle had even heard of Thailand, but those two immediately started sniggering and mentioning the name Patpong, Soi Cowboy, etc. Places that owe their beginings to R&R.

[Scully]

The world has changed a lot over the last ten or twenty years, its a lot smaller now. Attitudes are slowly changing towards interracial relationships, walking through my home town you can't help seeing different nationalities.

It was only a matter of time before they started to mate with the locals.

[nickmanchester2]

I went home for xmas and had a family party in a pub in the UK.

First stereotypical view was "you getting a 'thai bride'?" - and the other bit of stick I got was ladyboy related... so I think you have to just accept this kind of stuff when you go home as that's still what people think about when I tell them I live in Thailand I am afraid.

[norrona]

for those in the UK with their Thai partners you can thank comedy shows like 'Little Britain' with Ting Tong from Tooting character and the stereotypical farang Mr Dudley and his combover hair...it's been mentioned in quite a few other comedy shows poking fun but that show was huge and brought more awareness throughout all the generations...

What people on here also need to remember is theres a lot of narrow minded people the world over who have hardly travelled never mind had the finances to do it so all they know is what they see on the tele....

I am 39 years old, my wife 26 years old but as per usual looks a lot younger being petite and a lot slimmer to the majority of farang women...when she first arrived here in UK 2 1/2 years ago we went down the local pub and I noticed some looks but nothing was ever said apart from a group of blokes who wolf whistled one night when we was leaving....I was quite proud in how I handled that scenario as I turned round and blew them a kiss to which the rest of the pub thought was hilarious and then turned their attention on the wolf whistlers....if I was 10 years younger I would have probably handled it with fists first and got a beating.

I have never been asked if I got my wife as a mail order bride but then majority of people who know me know I lived there for best part of 10 years.

[Humbugged]

I think this picture answers the OP regarding how people think in the UK,while it may be light hearted British banter it's offensive for others no doubts.

She is Thai ??

need a big box to send her over in.

[HardenedSoul]

A Thai girl I used to see for a few years back in London still gets snide remarks from people asking "Did you divorce your English husband" even though she's never been married.

It's weird because she looks Chinese and she only experiences this negativity towards her country of birth when she tells people she's Thai.

[MrRealDeal]

I would pont out that the tone and general direction of the thread would bolster my opinion that the whole Subject matter tends to generate whatever negetive pereptions people might have , more towards the individual and ther Bride than the entire country ...... Most of the comments people mention are centered around things like ...... did "you" buy your wife ? Not comments like ......... The entire country of Thailand or the Philipines sucks why didn't you get a wife from a better country ?

My point being that the general negetivity is usually directed at the person who used these services (since thats what the topic is ) ....... The negetivity is not really even directed so much towards the Thai lady or Thailand at all but directed at the man who is deemed to have some deficiency that required him to go overseas to get a date or a wife, The Lady or the country where they come from are really a sideline issue or a by product of their main bone of contention, as it were , and the Country they come from would make very little difference if it was Vietnam , Thailand , Romaina , Russia or any other country.

[Waterloo]

I haven't seen anyone mention the otherside of the coin yet.

Visiting freinds last weekend the wife was explaining to them how when we are in Thailand most Thai's will assume she is a Bar girl because she is with a Farang.

It will only be after they have spoken to her that they will realise there mistake.

The fact that she is prepared to put up with this makes me love her only more, this is not a oneway street.

[Humbugged]

I haven't seen anyone mention the otherside of the coin yet.

Visiting freinds last weekend the wife was explaining to them how when we are in Thailand most Thai's will assume she is a Bar girl because she is with a Farang.

It will only be after they have spoken to her that they will realise there mistake.

The fact that she is prepared to put up with this makes me love her only more, this is not a oneway street.

Same here...but that is the narrow minded thinking of a racist bunch of retarded people.....in general, not all..but a hell of a lot.

It is along the same intelligent thought level of all foreigners are rich because they are fat.....what about the fat thais in every village ??

[matt helm]

Any criticism of an older man looking for a younger women can only stem from a combination of prudery, snobbery, and envy. There are plenty of wealthy western men who hook up with younger western women and it's perfectly normal and acceptable, so why the double standard?

[kevvy]

I t all started (1980"s)in Australia with the PHILIPPINE girls coming and marring men 3 times their age and taking everything from them. This was frowned upon by all Australians. Then it started with Thailand and all the bar girls in their country, as this went all around the world to all the men . And even though prostitution is illegal in this country they still allow it . Take a walk in walking street and you get offered all the sex shows you want , and this goes all around the worlds as well.

Sure other countries have their sex industry but it is keep quite compared to Thailand . This industry invites all the perverts from every country to come here , What is Thailand really known for?

Even the capital's name BANGKOK has people laughing and saying "lets do it" maybe I am wrong . who knows

[chiangmaikelly]

I t all started (1980"s)in Australia with the PHILIPPINE girls coming and marring men 3 times their age and taking everything from them. This was frowned upon by all Australians. Then it started with Thailand and all the bar girls in their country, as this went all around the world to all the men . And even though prostitution is illegal in this country they still allow it . Take a walk in walking street and you get offered all the sex shows you want , and this goes all around the worlds as well.

Sure other countries have their sex industry but it is keep quite compared to Thailand . This industry invites all the perverts from every country to come here , What is Thailand really known for?

Even the capital's name BANGKOK has people laughing and saying "lets do it" maybe I am wrong . who knows

Talk about a blatant case of ethnocentrism. I have rarely seen a worse one.

[krisb]

I haven't seen anyone mention the otherside of the coin yet.

Visiting freinds last weekend the wife was explaining to them how when we are in Thailand most Thai's will assume she is a Bar girl because she is with a Farang.

It will only be after they have spoken to her that they will realise there mistake.

The fact that she is prepared to put up with this makes me love her only more, this is not a oneway street.

Like most falang will assume here in the west, she is a mail order.

Same same, not different.

Like I said, who gives a <deleted>. Not me and not you....so who?

[chiangmaikelly]

Any criticism of an older man looking for a younger women can only stem from a combination of prudery, snobbery, and envy. There are plenty of wealthy western men who hook up with younger western women and it's perfectly normal and acceptable, so why the double standard?

What is a young guy to do when his lady love leaves him for an older man? It can't be his fault or the ladies fault. It must be the devil.

[MrRealDeal]

Any criticism of an older man looking for a younger women can only stem from a combination of prudery, snobbery, and envy. There are plenty of wealthy western men who hook up with younger western women and it's perfectly normal and acceptable, so why the double standard?

It's not really a double standard because the "standard" those people are refereing to or complaining about is not just young girls and older rich men , the "standard" they are mocking is the going overseas part, because they can't get a young girl in their own country. Your notion of 18-25 year old hotties getting with 62 and older men in the west as being "normal" is another nonsense exaguration of reality and would not be normal at all. Edited January 11, 2013 by MrRealDeal

[krisb]

I t all started (1980"s)in Australia with the PHILIPPINE girls coming and marring men 3 times their age and taking everything from them. This was frowned upon by all Australians. Then it started with Thailand and all the bar girls in their country, as this went all around the world to all the men . And even though prostitution is illegal in this country they still allow it . Take a walk in walking street and you get offered all the sex shows you want , and this goes all around the worlds as well.

Sure other countries have their sex industry but it is keep quite compared to Thailand . This industry invites all the perverts from every country to come here , What is Thailand really known for?

Even the capital's name BANGKOK has people laughing and saying "lets do it" maybe I am wrong . who knows

Ever been to Europe?... Ive got a friend who owns a club in Ibiza called Patcha. He hates Thailand, cant stand the place. His Dad is my next door neighbour in the Thai village but his Dad has also lived in Pattaya for 25years. He hates visiting his dad, cant stand Pattaya and Ive asked him why?.... no reason, but he finds its just a filthy hole and he cant wait to leave. So the girls and cheap prices mean nothing to some.

BTW, if you or anyones still laughing at the name Bangkok, its beyond a joke, its just dumb. Really.

Edited January 11, 2013 by krisb

[MrRealDeal]

It may well be dumb but their is a certian amount of humerous irony in it.

[krisb]

Any criticism of an older man looking for a younger women can only stem from a combination of prudery, snobbery, and envy. There are plenty of wealthy western men who hook up with younger western women and it's perfectly normal and acceptable, so why the double standard?

What is a young guy to do when his lady love leaves him for an older man? It can't be his fault or the ladies fault. It must be the devil.

Stop, Im gonna have nightmares.

[chiangmaikelly]

Any criticism of an older man looking for a younger women can only stem from a combination of prudery, snobbery, and envy. There are plenty of wealthy western men who hook up with younger western women and it's perfectly normal and acceptable, so why the double standard?

It's not really a double standard because the "standard" those people are refereing to or complaining about is not just young girls and older rich men , the "standard" they are mocking is the going overseas part, because they can't get a young girl in their own country. Your notion of 18-25 year old hotties getting with 62 and older men in the west as being "normal" is another nonsense exaguration of reality and would not be normal at all.

For a rich guy in the West it is normal. Thailand has a lower standard of living so the guys who would not be rich in the West are rich in Thailand. In the West it is called a trophy wife. In Thailand it is called a normal wife. I know. Been there done that and got the tee shirt.

[BlackArtemis]

There is still a negative perception back home. I often find myself stating my GF's or Ex's profession etc etc soon after I state her nationality.

The reality is many untraveled people think that Thailand is just rice, beaches, longnecks, and whores.