Amnesty Shouldn't Cover My Father's Assassin, Seh Daeng's Daughter Says

[mrtoad]

Red shirts always want their cake and eat it. Her father should have been locked up well before he was shot for treason.

[Pi Sek]

Red shirts always want their cake and eat it. Her father should have been locked up well before he was shot for treason.

I have to disagree that this has anything to do with Red Shirts. But I do agree that he should have been locked up for treason rather than just suspended for insubordination.

[Thai at Heart]

As at the time of his death he was telling the world that he had talked to Thaksin who had said he could no longer trust the red leaders and therefore had put him, Seh Daeng, in charge of the red shirts there is an extremely strong possibility that he was shot on the orders of the red shirt leaders.

If that is in fact the case then she is right it would be murder.

Not a shred of evidence to support this lie.He was shot by army snipers (in my opinion a regrettable but probably necessary step).

Also not a shred of evidence to support that Seh Daeng's killing wasn't ordered by the UDD leaders, neither that he was shot by army snipers (even if I suspect he was!).

Anyway, Chalerm and Seh Daeng's daughter both seem to think it was police, not army. I assume you are aware that the two historically haven't seen eye-to-eye on occasions.

The police have snipers capable of that shot?

[Pi Sek]

As at the time of his death he was telling the world that he had talked to Thaksin who had said he could no longer trust the red leaders and therefore had put him, Seh Daeng, in charge of the red shirts there is an extremely strong possibility that he was shot on the orders of the red shirt leaders.

If that is in fact the case then she is right it would be murder.

Not a shred of evidence to support this lie.He was shot by army snipers (in my opinion a regrettable but probably necessary step).

Also not a shred of evidence to support that Seh Daeng's killing wasn't ordered by the UDD leaders, neither that he was shot by army snipers (even if I suspect he was!).

Anyway, Chalerm and Seh Daeng's daughter both seem to think it was police, not army. I assume you are aware that the two historically haven't seen eye-to-eye on occasions.

The police have snipers capable of that shot?

I'd like to think so, but point well-taken!

[rbrooks]

Amnesty shouldn't cover my father's assassin but a few million baht would be fine.

[Arkady]

Her idea is fine because the truth will never come out about who killed her father and ordered it. It would be more meaningful to say no amnesty for the thugs who murdered people at his command while he was in open mutiny.

[backtonormal]

As at the time of his death he was telling the world that he had talked to Thaksin who had said he could no longer trust the red leaders and therefore had put him, Seh Daeng, in charge of the red shirts there is an extremely strong possibility that he was shot on the orders of the red shirt leaders.

If that is in fact the case then she is right it would be murder.

Not a shred of evidence to support this lie.He was shot by army snipers (in my opinion a regrettable but probably necessary step).

If the Red Shirts had the weapons to take out a man in the dark from potentially hundreds of metres away, why is it nobody but the 6 soldiers killed, by a grenade(tosed by another army regiment). With the infamous black shirts running around why not just sniper your enemy. More Bs

[Insight]

/edit -- Pi Sek beat me to it.

Edited February 13, 2013 by Insight

[Buchholz]

Didn't she used to support the yellow shirts??

She denied it.

Seh Daeng's Daughter: I Will Lead Dad's Political Party

Q : People see you as a yellow-shirt supporter, the group that opposes the red shirts. Many believe you might have been against your father.

A: Many probably thought we were enemies. But going to the yellow-shirt protest site did not mean I was its supporter. I just wanted to get information from every side.

http://www.thaivisa....y/#entry3687410

But then again, she denied other things, like the existence of her half-brother born of wedlock, Nakrob Sawasdipol AKA Little Daeng, who came to her and his Dad's funeral.

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Edited February 13, 2013 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Red shirts always want their cake and eat it. Her father should have been locked up well before he was shot for treason.

I have to disagree that this has anything to do with Red Shirts. But I do agree that he should have been locked up for treason rather than just suspended for insubordination.

Given his proclivity for repeatedly unstable bizarreness, a third option might be a lifetime confinement in a mental institution where he could spend his days locked in a room with his favorite stuffed animals from home, his camouflaged uniform, and a plastic toy gun to replace his real automatic weapon with high-powered scope.

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[Buchholz]

The police have snipers capable of that shot?

Voice TV - December 12, 2554

Chalerm Yubamrung reiterated on Monday the sniper who killed Maj Gen Kattiya "Seh Dang" Sawadipon is a police general. The deputy premier did not name names but repeated "Seh Dang" was slain by the unidentified sniper who, he alleged, happened to be a police general still at large.

Chalerm said the sniper, who fatally shot the renegade army general from a hidden spot in Lumpini Park area, was among a group of high-ranking police officers who had disguised themselves as "men in black" during the height of last year's Red Shirt protests.

"The sniper who pulled the trigger to kill him is a police Lieutenant-General. He was among those police officers at superintendent level attached to the Esan (northeastern) region," said Chalerm. "One other man in black is a police Lieutenant-General based in Bangkok. They wore black to do their missions. Then, they came back in khaki uniform," said the deputy premier without further elaboration.

Continued:

http://news.voicetv.co.th/in-english/25421.html

Edited February 13, 2013 by Buchholz

[Robby nz]

As at the time of his death he was telling the world that he had talked to Thaksin who had said he could no longer trust the red leaders and therefore had put him, Seh Daeng, in charge of the red shirts there is an extremely strong possibility that he was shot on the orders of the red shirt leaders.

If that is in fact the case then she is right it would be murder.

Not a shred of evidence to support this lie.He was shot by army snipers (in my opinion a regrettable but probably necessary step).

You see JB when you dont have to support one side or the other then you can think clearly and reason things out rather than just making definite unproven statements like you have just done.

If you care to read what I wrote again (what you called a lie) you will see I only put it forward as a possibility and I gave a reason for that possibility.

I will give you farther insight into my reasoning:

The Govt and Army could at any time have taken out any of the red leaders as they were mouthing off on their stage but did not this suggests that they did not want to.

At the time Seh Daeng was shot he was acting as a destabilising influnance on the red leadership which was already in some dissaray as they had just accepted an offer of an early election then withdrawen that acceptence presumably on orders. Then one of the red leaders had walked out.

This must have been an advantage to the Govt and Army so it would seem to me unlikely that the Govt and Army would want to remove someone who was stirring up the other red leaders.

Now I have given another reason for the possibility that I state could you please give the reason for your assertion.

[otherstuff1957]

His old website is either gone or blocked by mict, but if you ever visited it back when it was available you would know that Sae dang weas a real nut-case.

While I believe that he was probably killed by the army in retaliation for the death of Col Romklao (who was almost certainly killed by Sae dang's men), his friends and allies must have been relieved when a dangerously unstable character was removed from the situation.

Additional violence was undoubtedly averted by his death.

[jaapfries]

Pheu Thai party list MP Kattiya Sawasdipol.... said yesterday

Pheu Thai, eh?

oh well, so much for avowed pledges and allegiances.....

Seh Daeng's Daughter: I Willl Lead Dad's Political Party

I'll go to the Khattiyatham Party founded by dad. He devoted himself to the party. I plan to work as a politician as I don't want this party to die after dad died.

Q : As many red shirts admired your father, are you worried people may think the Khattiyatham Party will compete for votes with Pheu Thai Party that is currently supported by red shirts?

A : It's up to them. They can choose any party they like. Dad wanted to work at the Party after his retirement, but he could not. So, I will do what he wanted for him. I would like Pheu Thai to understand me.

http://www.thaivisa....olitical-party/

Daughter Vows To Safeguard Thai General Khattiya's Legacies

For the rest of her life, she will take care of and nurture the three things her father left for her. The first is the copyright to his book series, "Kom She Daeng".

The second thing is the Khatiyatham Party, the political party he founded.

"He had reasons for launching this party. And I must continue what he intended to do," she said.

http://www.thaivisa....tiyas-legacies/

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Okay; I can't stand the anticipation any longer; WHAT WAS THE THIRD THING ? ? ? ?

[jayboy]

As at the time of his death he was telling the world that he had talked to Thaksin who had said he could no longer trust the red leaders and therefore had put him, Seh Daeng, in charge of the red shirts there is an extremely strong possibility that he was shot on the orders of the red shirt leaders.

If that is in fact the case then she is right it would be murder.

Not a shred of evidence to support this lie.He was shot by army snipers (in my opinion a regrettable but probably necessary step).

You see JB when you dont have to support one side or the other then you can think clearly and reason things out rather than just making definite unproven statements like you have just done.

If you care to read what I wrote again (what you called a lie) you will see I only put it forward as a possibility and I gave a reason for that possibility.

I will give you farther insight into my reasoning:

The Govt and Army could at any time have taken out any of the red leaders as they were mouthing off on their stage but did not this suggests that they did not want to.

At the time Seh Daeng was shot he was acting as a destabilising influnance on the red leadership which was already in some dissaray as they had just accepted an offer of an early election then withdrawen that acceptence presumably on orders. Then one of the red leaders had walked out.

This must have been an advantage to the Govt and Army so it would seem to me unlikely that the Govt and Army would want to remove someone who was stirring up the other red leaders.

Now I have given another reason for the possibility that I state could you please give the reason for your assertion.

I don't really engage with conspiracy theorists so I'll keep this short.Sorry to say (and based on your posting record) but it saves pointless discussion.In any event your wild assertion doesn't make logical sense - why would the army/government benefit from not ordering a hit if Seh Daeng was taking a different and more radiical view from the more conciliatory red leadership.The opposite would apply.

For the more rational, one point not yet made was that Seh Daeng was a marked man following his involvement in the death of Colonel Romklao.It's not acceptable for senior army officers to murder other senior officers.

[muttley]

Didn't she used to support the yellow shirts??

She denied it.

Seh Daeng's Daughter: I Will Lead Dad's Political Party

Q : People see you as a yellow-shirt supporter, the group that opposes the red shirts. Many believe you might have been against your father.

A: Many probably thought we were enemies. But going to the yellow-shirt protest site did not mean I was its supporter. I just wanted to get information from every side.

http://www.thaivisa....y/#entry3687410

But then again, she denied other things, like the existence of her half-brother born of wedlock, Nakrob Sawasdipol AKA Little Daeng, who came to her and his Dad's funeral.

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Born out of wedlock eh, my, that family's shameless, he must have deserved to be assassinated. Just what century were you born in?

[Buchholz]

His old website is either gone or blocked by mict, but if you ever visited it back when it was available you would know that Sae dang was a real nut-case.

His old website now reveals: (Google Translate of its Japanese text)

Sex shop and grab the hearts of the customers?

I want to have sex with a girl wearing a sailor suit

http://www.sae-dang.com/

Seems that his forever devoted Pheu Thai MP daughter,

Daughter Vows To Safeguard Thai General Khattiya's Legacies

failed to safeguard yet another of dear old Dad's legacies....

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[Buchholz]

Didn't she used to support the yellow shirts??

She denied it.

Seh Daeng's Daughter: I Will Lead Dad's Political Party

Q : People see you as a yellow-shirt supporter, the group that opposes the red shirts. Many believe you might have been against your father.

A: Many probably thought we were enemies. But going to the yellow-shirt protest site did not mean I was its supporter. I just wanted to get information from every side.

http://www.thaivisa....y/#entry3687410

But then again, she denied other things, like the existence of her half-brother born of wedlock, Nakrob Sawasdipol AKA Little Daeng, who came to her and his Dad's funeral.

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Born out of wedlock eh, my, that family's shameless, he must have deserved to be assassinated. Just what century were you born in?

It's not I that had a problem with Little Daeng's heritage... it was his sister, the Pheu Thai Party MP, that rejected him for that reason.

Thanks for highlighting her archaic beliefs.

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Edited February 14, 2013 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Daughter Vows To Safeguard Thai General Khattiya's Legacies

For the rest of her life, she will take care of and nurture the three things her father left for her. The first is the copyright to his book series, "Kom She Daeng".

The second thing is the Khatiyatham Party, the political party he founded.

"He had reasons for launching this party. And I must continue what he intended to do," she said.

http://www.thaivisa....tiyas-legacies/

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Okay; I can't stand the anticipation any longer; WHAT WAS THE THIRD THING ? ? ? ?

It is but a mouse click away.

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[muttley]

But then again, she denied other things, like the existence of her half-brother born of wedlock, Nakrob Sawasdipol AKA Little Daeng, who came to her and his Dad's funeral.

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Born out of wedlock eh, my, that family's shameless, he must have deserved to be assassinated. Just what century were you born in?

It's not I that had a problem with Little Daeng's heritage... it was his sister, the Pheu Thai Party MP, that rejected him for that reason.

Thanks for highlighting her archaic beliefs.

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No sorry I wasn't highlighting anything, I was employing rublspeak.

[Buchholz]

if Seh Daeng was taking a different and more radiical view from the more conciliatory red leadership.The opposite would apply.

Not too many people would refer to the likes of Jatuporn and Nuttawut as "conciliatory"....

but then that's true of almost all the Red Shirt Leadership involved.

A week after this startling revelation, Sae Daeng suffered a head shot.

No new team of red shirts leaders : Nuttawut

BANGKOK: -- A red shirt leader on Monday dismissed as groundless a claim by an outspoken general that ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra appointed new team of red shirts leaders.

Nuttawut Saikua said Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdipol maybe misinformed or misunderstood that Thaksin was not happy with the existing red shirt leaders who Kattiya said were changing their position to a compromising one in their talks with Abhisit government.

"Seh Daeng's report is not correct. Maybe he is misinformed," Nuttawut said.

Kattiya claimed Monday that he talked to Thaksin on a phone on Sunday. "Thaksin said he would appoint of new team of the red shirts leaders."

The new team would exclude Veera Musikapong, Jatuporn Prompan, Dr Weng Tohjirakarn and Nuttawut Saikua as they appeared to agree with Abhisit's roadmap and prefer to end the rally.

The group had several secret meeting with Abhisit's team, Kattiya said.

Nuttawut told reporters that even Thaksin has no authority to change the leaders' team.

Each of the new team claimed by Seh Daeng has not yet been contacted about the matter, Nuttawut said.

Kattiya quoted Thaksin as saying that those who did not want to fight on should go home.

The new team comprises Arisamun Pongruengrong, Suporn Attawong, Kwanchai Praipana, Waipot Apornrat.

-- The Nation 2010-05-10

[Buchholz]

But then again, she denied other things, like the existence of her half-brother born of wedlock, Nakrob Sawasdipol AKA Little Daeng, who came to her and his Dad's funeral.

Born out of wedlock eh, my, that family's shameless, he must have deserved to be assassinated. Just what century were you born in?

It's not I that had a problem with Little Daeng's heritage... it was his sister, the Pheu Thai Party MP, that rejected him for that reason.

Thanks for highlighting her archaic beliefs.

No sorry I wasn't highlighting anything

Sure you were. Anyone reading your post sees that.

You only backtrack now because your shot missed its intended target.

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[muttley]

Sure you were. (snip, I'm allowed to do that right?)

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The mere existence of a reply suggests a ricochet, but then you always like to have the last word.

[rubl]

Born out of wedlock eh, my, that family's shameless, he must have deserved to be assassinated. Just what century were you born in?

It's not I that had a problem with Little Daeng's heritage... it was his sister, the Pheu Thai Party MP, that rejected him for that reason.

Thanks for highlighting her archaic beliefs.

No sorry I wasn't highlighting anything

Sure you were. Anyone reading your post sees that.

You only backtrack now because your shot missed its intended target.

I apologize for interrupting this trule interesting discussion. I just want indicate that dear Mutt's question on 'what century' was only a bit off the mark. Only rumour has it that even in this century in certain countries people get stoned for certain offences. That is, if brothers or other family members haven't removed the blemish on the family honour first

Edited February 14, 2013 by rubl

[muttley]

I apologize for interrupting this trule interesting discussion. I just want indicate that dear Mutt's question on 'what century' was only a bit off the mark. Only rumour has it that even in this century in certain countries people get stoned for certain offences. That is, if brothers or other family members haven't removed the blemish on the family honour first

In my century ( and Country) people get stoned for recreational not religious reasons

Edited February 14, 2013 by muttley

[Dap]

Pheu Thai party list MP Kattiya Sawasdipol

Why is she a MP???

Without a lick of knowledge or experience concerning politics or its workings, she was recruited for her PR value.

Are you talking about Kattiya or Yingluck? They both meet the same criteria.

[thaicbr]

As at the time of his death he was telling the world that he had talked to Thaksin who had said he could no longer trust the red leaders and therefore had put him, Seh Daeng, in charge of the red shirts there is an extremely strong possibility that he was shot on the orders of the red shirt leaders.

If that is in fact the case then she is right it would be murder.

Not a shred of evidence to support this lie.He was shot by army snipers (in my opinion a regrettable but probably necessary step).

Also not a shred of evidence to support that Seh Daeng's killing wasn't ordered by the UDD leaders, neither that he was shot by army snipers (even if I suspect he was!).

Anyway, Chalerm and Seh Daeng's daughter both seem to think it was police, not army. I assume you are aware that the two historically haven't seen eye-to-eye on occasions.

The police have snipers capable of that shot?

A recreational hunter would be capable of that shot.

[rubl]

I apologize for interrupting this trule interesting discussion. I just want indicate that dear Mutt's question on 'what century' was only a bit off the mark. Only rumour has it that even in this century in certain countries people get stoned for certain offences. That is, if brothers or other family members haven't removed the blemish on the family honour first

In my century ( and Country) people get stoned for recreational not religious reasons

Being Dutch I have no idea what you're talking about now. Do you mean to imply that the penalty for having an illegitimate daughter is getting high on grass or whatever in your country? You might like Fantasy rather than my SF I guess

[jayboy]

Not too many people would refer to the likes of Jatuporn and Nuttawut as "conciliatory"....

but then that's true of almost all the Red Shirt Leadership involved.

Perhaps not (though perhaps more than you suggest), but there were other redshirt leaders who were looking for a compromise.There is plenty of evidence however that Seh Daeng was committed to a more radical even revolutionary line, and was highly resistant to Abhisit's overtures.His motivation is hard to decipher though my hunch would be that distinctive Thai nuttiness - aggressive action without thinking the consequences through - often found in the powerful here rather than any coherent ideological or political belief.Power seeking may have been part of it.

[rubl]

Not too many people would refer to the likes of Jatuporn and Nuttawut as "conciliatory"....

but then that's true of almost all the Red Shirt Leadership involved.

Perhaps not (though perhaps more than you suggest), but there were other redshirt leaders who were looking for a compromise.There is plenty of evidence however that Seh Daeng was committed to a more radical even revolutionary line, and was highly resistant to Abhisit's overtures.His motivation is hard to decipher though my hunch would be that distinctive Thai nuttiness - aggressive action without thinking the consequences through - often found in the powerful here rather than any coherent ideological or political belief.Power seeking may have been part of it.

Nice try to deflect to all the others. Not easy to stick to the topic is it?

The renegade general Seh Daeng came back from a meeting with k. Thaksin and said the boss had decided to appoint him, Kwanchai and one or two other hardliners to replace all the UDD leaders who had gone soft and (gasp) even started talking with the government.

BTW you forgot to insert "unelected elite" somewhere in your post