Amnesty Shouldn't Cover My Father's Assassin, Seh Daeng's Daughter Says

[jayboy]

Nice try to deflect to all the others. Not easy to stick to the topic is it?

The renegade general Seh Daeng came back from a meeting with k. Thaksin and said the boss had decided to appoint him, Kwanchai and one or two other hardliners to replace all the UDD leaders who had gone soft and (gasp) even started talking with the government.

BTW you forgot to insert "unelected elite" somewhere in your post

Isn't the topic Seh Daeng?

I don't know about the evidence about the meeting with Thaksin but the sentiment of Seh Daeng you report simply confirms my supposition.

As a polite suggestion even though you might want to "get even" it always makes sense to think before posting.

[rubl]

Nice try to deflect to all the others. Not easy to stick to the topic is it?

The renegade general Seh Daeng came back from a meeting with k. Thaksin and said the boss had decided to appoint him, Kwanchai and one or two other hardliners to replace all the UDD leaders who had gone soft and (gasp) even started talking with the government.

BTW you forgot to insert "unelected elite" somewhere in your post

Isn't the topic Seh Daeng?

I don't know about the evidence about the meeting with Thaksin but the sentiment of Seh Daeng you report simply confirms my supposition.

As a polite suggestion even though you might want to "get even" it always makes sense to think before posting.

You were trying to distance the renegade general Seh Daeng from the UDD / red-shirts. You tried to make him seem just like another slightly mad Thai general, or other person in power.

As for "don't know about evidence", in your case I'm more than willing to accept that as plausible denyability. Don't look, don't hear, don't read. A.o. theNation reported on 2010-05-10

"No new team of red shirts leaders : Nuttawut

BANGKOK: -- A red shirt leader on Monday dismissed as groundless a claim by an outspoken general that ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra appointed new team of red shirts leaders.

Nuttawut Saikua said Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdipol maybe misinformed or misunderstood that Thaksin was not happy with the existing red shirt leaders who Kattiya said were changing their position to a compromising one in their talks with Abhisit government.

"Seh Daeng's report is not correct. Maybe he is misinformed," Nuttawut said.

Kattiya claimed Monday that he talked to Thaksin on a phone on Sunday. "Thaksin said he would appoint of new team of the red shirts leaders."

The new team would exclude Veera Musikapong, Jatuporn Prompan, Dr weng Tohjirakarn and Nuttawut Saikua as they appeared to agree with Abhisit's roadmap and prefer to end the rally.

The group had several secret meeting with Abhisit's team, Kattiya said.

Nuttawut told reporters that even Thaksin has no authority to change the leaders' team.

Each of the new team claimed by Seh Daeng has not yet been contacted about the matter, Nuttawut said.

Kattiya quoted Thaksin as saying that those who did not want to fight on should go home.

The new team comprises Arisamun Pongruengrong, Suporn Attawong, Kwanchai Praipana, Waipot Apornrat.

-- The Nation 2010-05-10

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[thaicbr]

Nice try to deflect to all the others. Not easy to stick to the topic is it?

The renegade general Seh Daeng came back from a meeting with k. Thaksin and said the boss had decided to appoint him, Kwanchai and one or two other hardliners to replace all the UDD leaders who had gone soft and (gasp) even started talking with the government.

BTW you forgot to insert "unelected elite" somewhere in your post

Isn't the topic Seh Daeng?

I don't know about the evidence about the meeting with Thaksin but the sentiment of Seh Daeng you report simply confirms my supposition.

As a polite suggestion even though you might want to "get even" it always makes sense to think before posting.

You were trying to distance the renegade general Seh Daeng from the UDD / red-shirts. You tried to make him seem just like another slightly mad Thai general, or other person in power.

As for "don't know about evidence", in your case I'm more than willing to accept that as plausible denyability. Don't look, don't hear, don't read. A.o. theNation reported on 2010-05-10

"No new team of red shirts leaders : Nuttawut

BANGKOK: -- A red shirt leader on Monday dismissed as groundless a claim by an outspoken general that ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra appointed new team of red shirts leaders.

Nuttawut Saikua said Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdipol maybe misinformed or misunderstood that Thaksin was not happy with the existing red shirt leaders who Kattiya said were changing their position to a compromising one in their talks with Abhisit government.

"Seh Daeng's report is not correct. Maybe he is misinformed," Nuttawut said.

Kattiya claimed Monday that he talked to Thaksin on a phone on Sunday. "Thaksin said he would appoint of new team of the red shirts leaders."

The new team would exclude Veera Musikapong, Jatuporn Prompan, Dr weng Tohjirakarn and Nuttawut Saikua as they appeared to agree with Abhisit's roadmap and prefer to end the rally.

The group had several secret meeting with Abhisit's team, Kattiya said.

Nuttawut told reporters that even Thaksin has no authority to change the leaders' team.

Each of the new team claimed by Seh Daeng has not yet been contacted about the matter, Nuttawut said.

Kattiya quoted Thaksin as saying that those who did not want to fight on should go home.

The new team comprises Arisamun Pongruengrong, Suporn Attawong, Kwanchai Praipana, Waipot Apornrat.

-- The Nation 2010-05-10

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And am I right in saying that those named are hard core reactionary types. That still get in the press reference the call for action. Action that most deem to be thuggish at best.

[jayboy]

I don't know about the evidence about the meeting with Thaksin but the sentiment of Seh Daeng you report simply confirms my supposition.

As a polite suggestion even though you might want to "get even" it always makes sense to think before posting.

You were trying to distance the renegade general Seh Daeng from the UDD / red-shirts. You tried to make him seem just like another slightly mad Thai general, or other person in power.

Er, no.Once again you seem not to have grasped the point, another reason to reflect carefully before rushing to post.Seh Daeng was certainy very eccentric (though many will reflect how many actors on all sides of the 2010 drama were/are not exactly well adjusted human beings) but more importantly he represented the radical element playing as they believed a zero sum game, and yes this did distinguish him from from many of his redshirt colleagues.This distinction is reflected in what you yourself posted very recently:

"The renegade general Seh Daeng came back from a meeting with k. Thaksin and said the boss had decided to appoint him, Kwanchai and one or two other hardliners to replace all the UDD leaders who had gone soft and (gasp) even started talking with the government."

So you don't seem to know what you believe contradicting yourself in the space of a few minutes.It always helps if you have a reasonable grasp of the events and their context.

[rubl]

I don't know about the evidence about the meeting with Thaksin but the sentiment of Seh Daeng you report simply confirms my supposition.

As a polite suggestion even though you might want to "get even" it always makes sense to think before posting.

You were trying to distance the renegade general Seh Daeng from the UDD / red-shirts. You tried to make him seem just like another slightly mad Thai general, or other person in power.

Er, no.Once again you seem not to have grasped the point, another reason to reflect carefully before rushing to post.Seh Daeng was certainy very eccentric (though many will reflect how many actors on all sides of the 2010 drama were/are not exactly well adjusted human beings) but more importantly he represented the radical element playing as they believed a zero sum game, and yes this did distinguish him from from many of his redshirt colleagues.This distinction is reflected in what you yourself posted very recently:

"The renegade general Seh Daeng came back from a meeting with k. Thaksin and said the boss had decided to appoint him, Kwanchai and one or two other hardliners to replace all the UDD leaders who had gone soft and (gasp) even started talking with the government."

So you don't seem to know what you believe contradicting yourself in the space of a few minutes.It always helps if you have a reasonable grasp of the events and their context.

The 'meeting' was from memory which may not always serve me well. Therefor I looked around a bit and found theNation article which seems a more reliable quote.

Of course your somewhat personal attack deflects from your previous statements where you say there not to be a shred of evidence about SD, Thaksin and being taken out by fellow UDD leaders followed by just stating "He was shot by army snipers". Mind you that was yesterday even more than 24 hours ago by now, maybe your memory also doesn't serve you well sometimes

Oh, BTW in the context here whether a meeting, a telephone conference or just a friendly call between 'friends in crime' doesn't matter at all. But then, I think you knew that

EDIT: added 'whether' in last paragraph. One of these days I'll take time to learn proper English, promise

Edited February 14, 2013 by rubl

[jayboy]

The 'meeting' was from memory which may not always serve me well. Therefor I looked around a bit and found theNation article which seems a more reliable quote.

Of course your somewhat personal attack deflects from your previous statements where you say there not to be a shred of evidence about SD, Thaksin and being taken out by fellow UDD leaders followed by just stating "He was shot by army snipers". Mind you that was yesterday even more than 24 hours ago by now, maybe your memory also doesn't serve you well sometimes

Oh, BTW in the context here a meeting, a telephone conference or just a friendly call between 'friends in crime' doesn't matter at all. But then, I think you knew that

There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest redshirt interests were in any way involved in Seh Daeng's murder.And frankly your inconsistent and contradictory comments add nothing to the subject.If you wish to have a long discussion with other conspiracy enthusiasts by all means do so ( perhaps the same people who not so long ago claimed the army was blameless and the redshirts murdered themselves.)

[thaicbr]

The 'meeting' was from memory which may not always serve me well. Therefor I looked around a bit and found theNation article which seems a more reliable quote.

Of course your somewhat personal attack deflects from your previous statements where you say there not to be a shred of evidence about SD, Thaksin and being taken out by fellow UDD leaders followed by just stating "He was shot by army snipers". Mind you that was yesterday even more than 24 hours ago by now, maybe your memory also doesn't serve you well sometimes

Oh, BTW in the context here a meeting, a telephone conference or just a friendly call between 'friends in crime' doesn't matter at all. But then, I think you knew that

There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest redshirt interests were in any way involved in Seh Daeng's murder.And frankly your inconsistent and contradictory comments add nothing to the subject.If you wish to have a long discussion with other conspiracy enthusiasts by all means do so ( perhaps the same people who not so long ago claimed the army was blameless and the redshirts murdered themselves.)

As far as I'm aware there is not a shred of evidence to implicate anyone for shooting him.

[rubl]

The 'meeting' was from memory which may not always serve me well. Therefor I looked around a bit and found theNation article which seems a more reliable quote.

Of course your somewhat personal attack deflects from your previous statements where you say there not to be a shred of evidence about SD, Thaksin and being taken out by fellow UDD leaders followed by just stating "He was shot by army snipers". Mind you that was yesterday even more than 24 hours ago by now, maybe your memory also doesn't serve you well sometimes

Oh, BTW in the context here a meeting, a telephone conference or just a friendly call between 'friends in crime' doesn't matter at all. But then, I think you knew that

There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest redshirt interests were in any way involved in Seh Daeng's murder.And frankly your inconsistent and contradictory comments add nothing to the subject.If you wish to have a long discussion with other conspiracy enthusiasts by all means do so ( perhaps the same people who not so long ago claimed the army was blameless and the redshirts murdered themselves.)

"long discussion with other conspiracy enthusiasts"? I thought I was having such discussion here.

You still continue the 'no shred of evidence' but did you retract your 'statement' "Army snipers shot him"? You're still deflecting with remarks on what other's said or suggested, but ignore the wise words of Pheu Thai party list MP and UDD leader Nattawut himself, or those of the renegade general 'no one saw me' Seh Daeng.

[rubl]

As far as I'm aware there is not a shred of evidence to implicate anyone for shooting him.

Don't worry, after a few more statements of learned gentlemen here I'm sure we'll be able to get DSI Chief Tarit to indict k. Abhisit/Suthep for yet another murder case

[maidu]

As at the time of his death he was telling the world that he had talked to Thaksin who had said he could no longer trust the red leaders and therefore had put him, Seh Daeng, in charge of the red shirts there is an extremely strong possibility that he was shot on the orders of the red shirt leaders. If that is in fact the case then she is right it would be murder.

Not a shred of evidence to support this lie.He was shot by army snipers (in my opinion a regrettable but probably necessary step).

No one denies he was the loosest of cannons. The demonstration was winding down. Sae Daeng would prove to be a massive liability for Reds if he was forced to testify. Most likely: he was killed by Reds (probably on T's order).

[Tatsujin]

The 'meeting' was from memory which may not always serve me well. Therefor I looked around a bit and found theNation article which seems a more reliable quote.

Of course your somewhat personal attack deflects from your previous statements where you say there not to be a shred of evidence about SD, Thaksin and being taken out by fellow UDD leaders followed by just stating "He was shot by army snipers". Mind you that was yesterday even more than 24 hours ago by now, maybe your memory also doesn't serve you well sometimes

Oh, BTW in the context here a meeting, a telephone conference or just a friendly call between 'friends in crime' doesn't matter at all. But then, I think you knew that

There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest redshirt interests were in any way involved in Seh Daeng's murder.And frankly your inconsistent and contradictory comments add nothing to the subject.If you wish to have a long discussion with other conspiracy enthusiasts by all means do so ( perhaps the same people who not so long ago claimed the army was blameless and the redshirts murdered themselves.)

So who did shoot him then oh learned one?

You claimed earlier on page 1 I think that it was the Army, but I am yet to see your "evidence" of this.

Given the circumstances and available information, it could just as easily have been someone within the Red camp or more likely someone within the RT Police. But we'll never know the real truth.

[Pi Sek]

In my honest opinion, there are equal amounts of evidence "shreds" to suggest:

1) Seh Daeng orchestrated the 10 April 2010 bloodshed at Thaksin's command

2) The UDD leadership ordered a hit on Seh Daeng

3) The army ordered a hit on Seh Daeng

4) The police ordered a hit on Seh Daeng

In other words, there is no evidence of any of the above, just coincidences. Personally I'd go with 1 & 3.

Does anyone here think Abhisit/Suthep ordered a hit on Seh Daeng?

[coma]

I agree. Thaksin shouldn't be given amnesty.

[bigbamboo]

I suppose we'll never know the truth behind the death of Seh Daeng any more than the muslim lawyer Somchai but can only speculate who would benefit and why.

[tominbkk]

As at the time of his death he was telling the world that he had talked to Thaksin who had said he could no longer trust the red leaders and therefore had put him, Seh Daeng, in charge of the red shirts there is an extremely strong possibility that he was shot on the orders of the red shirt leaders.

If that is in fact the case then she is right it would be murder.

Not a shred of evidence to support this lie.He was shot by army snipers (in my opinion a regrettable but probably necessary step).

Is there actually any evidence he was shot by the army? What is it?

[rubl]

If I understand correctly the reasoning for indicting (aka charging) k. Abhisit and k. Suthep for the murder of four people during the March - May 2010 riots, it implies that if the person who shot the renegade general Seh Daeng was an Army member only following orders, he will not be held responsable and therefor does not require an amnesty. IMHO

[MAJIC]

• Amnesty shouldn't cover my father's assassin
  

And neither should it cover the One who gave the order, and those that slaughtered 2500 to 3000 alledged Drug Dealers in 2003,most of which,according to Amnesty International were completely innocent!

[maidu]

Since Thaksin was at least bankrolling the Bkk riots in 2010 (he's never tried denying it), Thaksin had the most to lose by letting Sae Dang continue to shoot his guns and his mouth off ("I'm closer to Thaksin than anyone else here" "I'm the leader of the Men in Black" "You want to see my aerobics video where I'm showing off all my military weapons?")

Thaksin had a lot more reasons to want him snuffed out than any uniformed forces did. Indeed, If SD had been apprehended after the riots, he would likely have spilled the beans on T and a whole lot of other Reds. That was his style - full throttle flamboyant - always in your face, raucus.

[MAJIC]

Since Thaksin was at least bankrolling the Bkk riots in 2010 (he's never tried denying it), Thaksin had the most to lose by letting Sae Dang continue to shoot his guns and his mouth off ("I'm closer to Thaksin than anyone else here" "I'm the leader of the Men in Black" "You want to see my aerobics video where I'm showing off all my military weapons?")

Thaksin had a lot more reasons to want him snuffed out than any uniformed forces did. Indeed, If SD had been apprehended after the riots, he would likely have spilled the beans on T and a whole lot of other Reds. That was his style - full throttle flamboyant - always in your face, raucus.

IMO Spot on! Seh Daeng was a lose cannon,and far too dangerous for his own good! no doubt giving media interviews was not part of the deal,and had to be stopped.

Edited February 14, 2013 by MAJIC

[Robby nz]

Seems all the theories have been trumped by Chalerm (and we cant doubt him) who tells us that he knows for sure that it was a police general who shot SD and this it seems is backed up by SD's now MP sister who if I remember rightly didnt seem that close to him when he was alive.

That still leaves the question of whether it was the generals own idea or did he get orders from anyone?

If he did get orders it certainly wouldnt have been from the Govt for the police at that stage werent taking orders from the Govt.