Cakes For Diabetics, Celiacs, Also Low Fat Alternatives Now In Chiang Mai.

[theblether]

Apologies to the Mods, I know there is a related subject running just now re cakes however this is a specialist thread.

The cafe in the Smith Residence, Chiang Mai Gate is now baking cakes which are suitable for Diabetics and Celiacs, right now they are doing a Chocolate Mousse Cake, and a Passion Fruit Cheese Cake. They are slowly expanding the range depending upon demand and getting the recipe right. Photos to follow.

I don't think there are a lot of places in CM, if any, that are providing this service and for those who suffer from the ailments described they are a god send. For guys like me that are trying to lose weight they're a cracking bonus. They will make to order.

Just wander in and talk to the young ladies in the cafe, there English is excellent and they will be delighted to see you.

[Ulysses G.]

Does that mean that they are using artificial sweetners for the cakes? Whole grain flour? I know that they can use gluten free flour for people with celiac disease, but cakes for diabetics are a lot more involved.

[theblether]

Yup....artificial sweeteners and gluten free flower. I'll bring you one down UG.

* Not flower, flour!!

I'm flower on the head as I was served friend banana blossom with pickled pork last night, apparently a real Thai Northern dish. Amazing.

Edited June 16, 2013 by theblether

[sustento]

If they're high carb they're not diabetic-friendly.

[theblether]

If they're high carb they're not diabetic-friendly.

The guy that came introduced the recipe to the cafe is an experienced French chef, he's trained the ladies how to make the cakes. feel free to come along and discuss your dietary requirements with the ladies in the cafe, if they can't answer, then the culinary professional will.

[sustento]

He might be an experienced French chef. I'm an experienced diabetic. I say again - high carb food is not diabetic-friendly.

[hellodolly]

Well two things

1 I have never heard of a French Fhief specializing in any thing for diabetics so that does not impress me.

2 and I quote you "They are slowly expanding the range depending upon demand and getting the recipe right."

Maybe if they would get the recipe right first it would help.

So much for the French Chief.

Chiang Mai does not need a baker it needs a dietician preferably one who can speak English.

[Ulysses G.]

He might be an experienced French chef. I'm an experienced diabetic. I say again - high carb food is not diabetic-friendly.

It depends. Diabetics who are taking medication can eat a reasonable amount of carbohydrates. Diabetics who are managing it without medication are much more limited in what they can eat.

Apple, apricot, carrot cake (gluten-wheat-egg and sugar-free)

About this recipe: This gluten-wheat-diary-egg and sugar-free cake is a real tea-time treat. Packed with full of fruit flavours and enticingly moist. Lots of health-giving ingredients. Enjoy without guilt! I used gluten-wheat free self-raising flour but you can also use normal self-raising flour. And instead of light muscovado ... http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/12046/apple--apricot--carrot-cake--gluten-wheat-egg-and-sugar-free-.aspx

Edited June 16, 2013 by Ulysses G.

[chiang mai]

Perhaps check out on the web before totally poo-pooing the concept, there's already a fairly large industry out there that specialises in cakes and the likes for diabetics, diabetic cheese cake is quite common, it's all about substituting ingredients to bring down the carb count whilst still maintaining flavour and appeal. Case in point is diabetic shepherds pie which substitutes mashed cauliflower for mashed potato, the end product is remarkably good. And yes, I also am diabetic.

http://www.diabeticlivingonline.com/diabetic-recipes/dessert/cake-recipes/

http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipes/tag-5449/diabetic-cake-recipes.aspx

http://www.foodnetwork.co.uk/recipe/diabetic-cakes-keyword.html

Edited June 16, 2013 by chiang mai

[hellodolly]

Seems to me a lot of talk about carbs. What about sugar and fats. I looked up one for Peanut butter cup cakes that had a lot of peanut butter in it. That was in addition to some whole peanuts. I always thought that was not a good diabetic food.

I could be wrong.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes I went on line to see what was good and what was not good. I got a lot of conflicting reports One site actually said processed sugar was better for you than the sugar in fruit. One cite said watermelon was good another said no good. My doctor tells me chicken and pork are OK.

I didn't push it and ask if bacon was OK.

Finally just threw up my hands and cut back on the chocolate darn near entirely and made sure I ate an apple a day. My doctor tells me a green one is the best. Also papaya got to step up the veggies so far doing a good job with out the hamburgers and french fries.

[jbrain]

He might be an experienced French chef. I'm an experienced diabetic. I say again - high carb food is not diabetic-friendly.

It depends. Diabetics who are taking medication can eat a reasonable amount of carbohydrates. Diabetics who are managing it without medication are much more limited in what they can eat.

Apple, apricot, carrot cake (gluten-wheat-egg and sugar-free)

About this recipe: This gluten-wheat-diary-egg and sugar-free cake is a real tea-time treat. Packed with full of fruit flavours and enticingly moist. Lots of health-giving ingredients. Enjoy without guilt! I used gluten-wheat free self-raising flour but you can also use normal self-raising flour. And instead of light muscovado ... http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/12046/apple--apricot--carrot-cake--gluten-wheat-egg-and-sugar-free-.aspx

So the cakes should be promoted as, diabetic friendly but only those who take their meds on a regular base and want to push it a little ?

[chiang mai]

Seems to me a lot of talk about carbs. What about sugar and fats. I looked up one for Peanut butter cup cakes that had a lot of peanut butter in it. That was in addition to some whole peanuts. I always thought that was not a good diabetic food.

I could be wrong.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes I went on line to see what was good and what was not good. I got a lot of conflicting reports One site actually said processed sugar was better for you than the sugar in fruit. One cite said watermelon was good another said no good. My doctor tells me chicken and pork are OK.

I didn't push it and ask if bacon was OK.

Finally just threw up my hands and cut back on the chocolate darn near entirely and made sure I ate an apple a day. My doctor tells me a green one is the best. Also papaya got to step up the veggies so far doing a good job with out the hamburgers and french fries.

Peanut butter is OK for diabetics, a useful; source of calories from fats - also, small amounts of 80%+ cocoa is considered good.

[chiang mai]

After all the dispute about whether diabetic cakes are possible we forgot to thank the OP for the tip about the bakery. I for one will certainly go and sample their wares, I thought I'd never eat cheese cake again but it looks like it's true, you should never say never.

[Ulysses G.]

He might be an experienced French chef. I'm an experienced diabetic. I say again - high carb food is not diabetic-friendly.

It depends. Diabetics who are taking medication can eat a reasonable amount of carbohydrates. Diabetics who are managing it without medication are much more limited in what they can eat.

Apple, apricot, carrot cake (gluten-wheat-egg and sugar-free)

About this recipe: This gluten-wheat-diary-egg and sugar-free cake is a real tea-time treat. Packed with full of fruit flavours and enticingly moist. Lots of health-giving ingredients. Enjoy without guilt! I used gluten-wheat free self-raising flour but you can also use normal self-raising flour. And instead of light muscovado ... http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/12046/apple--apricot--carrot-cake--gluten-wheat-egg-and-sugar-free-.aspx

So the cakes should be promoted as, diabetic friendly but only those who take their meds on a regular base and want to push it a little ?

They don't have to push it a little. They have watch the size of portions and make sure that their carbohydrate count remains what it is supposed to be. They probably will have to cut back on another carbohydrate during the same meal.

[ignis]

Seems to me a lot of talk about carbs. What about sugar and fats. I looked up one for Peanut butter cup cakes that had a lot of peanut butter in it. That was in addition to some whole peanuts. I always thought that was not a good diabetic food.

I could be wrong.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes I went on line to see what was good and what was not good. I got a lot of conflicting reports One site actually said processed sugar was better for you than the sugar in fruit. One cite said watermelon was good another said no good. My doctor tells me chicken and pork are OK.

I didn't push it and ask if bacon was OK.

Finally just threw up my hands and cut back on the chocolate darn near entirely and made sure I ate an apple a day. My doctor tells me a green one is the best. Also papaya got to step up the veggies so far doing a good job with out the hamburgers and french fries.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes I got a lot of conflicting reports,,,,,,,, 15 years on is no different, not just on-line but from Doctors, Hospitals and other Diabetes professionals......

In UK a number of my friends were on the 'Atkins' diet, doing very well eating lots of bacon and cheese every day, meats with rich sauce, blood sugar way down. read mostly USA reports this diet is bad for diabetics. !!

again appears different is fruit, many say ALL fruit = good sugar, other give a list of what not to eat.. so which is right ?

[chiang mai]

Seems to me a lot of talk about carbs. What about sugar and fats. I looked up one for Peanut butter cup cakes that had a lot of peanut butter in it. That was in addition to some whole peanuts. I always thought that was not a good diabetic food.

I could be wrong.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes I went on line to see what was good and what was not good. I got a lot of conflicting reports One site actually said processed sugar was better for you than the sugar in fruit. One cite said watermelon was good another said no good. My doctor tells me chicken and pork are OK.

I didn't push it and ask if bacon was OK.

Finally just threw up my hands and cut back on the chocolate darn near entirely and made sure I ate an apple a day. My doctor tells me a green one is the best. Also papaya got to step up the veggies so far doing a good job with out the hamburgers and french fries.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes I got a lot of conflicting reports,,,,,,,, 15 years on is no different, not just on-line but from Doctors, Hospitals and other Diabetes professionals......

In UK a number of my friends were on the 'Atkins' diet, doing very well eating lots of bacon and cheese every day, meats with rich sauce, blood sugar way down. read mostly USA reports this diet is bad for diabetics. !!

again appears different is fruit, many say ALL fruit = good sugar, other give a list of what not to eat.. so which is right ?

It's likely to be different things for different people, I can eat a green apple but not a ripe banana.

[Ulysses G.]

many say ALL fruit = good sugar, other give a list of what not to eat.. so which is right ?

Do a search for glycemic load. A lot of the misinformation about fruits is caused by people relying on the glycemic index which does not take serving size into consideration. If a diabetic eats a few slices of watermelon, it will normally raise their blood sugar very little, but if they eat a whole watermelon, it will raise it a lot. Glycemic load takes that into consideration. It is a lot more accurate way to tell which foods will normally raise most people's blood sugar.

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/faq/f/faqgl.htm

Edited June 17, 2013 by Ulysses G.

[mesquite]

Seems to me a lot of talk about carbs. What about sugar and fats. I looked up one for Peanut butter cup cakes that had a lot of peanut butter in it. That was in addition to some whole peanuts. I always thought that was not a good diabetic food.

I could be wrong.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes I went on line to see what was good and what was not good. I got a lot of conflicting reports One site actually said processed sugar was better for you than the sugar in fruit. One cite said watermelon was good another said no good. My doctor tells me chicken and pork are OK.

I didn't push it and ask if bacon was OK.

Finally just threw up my hands and cut back on the chocolate darn near entirely and made sure I ate an apple a day. My doctor tells me a green one is the best. Also papaya got to step up the veggies so far doing a good job with out the hamburgers and french fries.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes I got a lot of conflicting reports,,,,,,,, 15 years on is no different, not just on-line but from Doctors, Hospitals and other Diabetes professionals......

In UK a number of my friends were on the 'Atkins' diet, doing very well eating lots of bacon and cheese every day, meats with rich sauce, blood sugar way down. read mostly USA reports this diet is bad for diabetics. !!

again appears different is fruit, many say ALL fruit = good sugar, other give a list of what not to eat.. so which is right ?

Lots of controversy regarding the American Diabetes Association. They like high carb and an A1C of 7 which many feel is way, way too high.

I recommend googling "Richard K Bernstein", an American doctor who is diabetic. He recommends low carb and an A1C of 4.7 or so. He says diabetics are entitled to normal blood sugars (and thus no complications like stroke, amputations, etc) and has treatment plan for that.

We have been led to believe a breakfast of eggs, bacon, ham and cheese is unhealthy while one of granola, fruit, yogurt, and orange juice is healthy. For diabetics, the reverse it true.

[ignis]

Here the main problem is price, something for diabetics = much more expensive,,,

​Few Villages away a guy and his wife opened a shop, there home made sugar free ice-cream was wonderful, always had 4 different flavours, but 1 x scoop was 40 baht, chocolate cake position 35 baht and so on, many items they made sweets, and cakes with no or much less sugar............... problem many people on motorbike sell home made ice-cream same amount cost 10 baht... same size chocolate cake portion from Lady that makes the cakes at home to sell on the market are 8 baht..

Of course the Shop closed down about 18 months ago, Maybe was a good idea just in the wrong place, Village folk and farmer even if they have diabetics would not have the money for that sort of eating..

​the odd supermarket that has diet stuff, eg have jam in most is very very expensive....... pots of strawberry jam next to each other same size 1x 49 baht, the other @ 228 baht with a label with diet on........ so take out 1 ingredient or use only 1/2 the amount then charge 4x more for it.

[mesquite]

Here the main problem is price, something for diabetics = much more expensive,,,

Not really. Pork, chicken and beef are the same price for diabetics and non-diabetics.

[chiang mai]

Here the main problem is price, something for diabetics = much more expensive,,,

Not really. Pork, chicken and beef are the same price for diabetics and non-diabetics.

[Ulysses G.]

We have been led to believe a breakfast of eggs, bacon, ham and cheese is unhealthy while one of granola, fruit, yogurt, and orange juice is healthy. For diabetics, the reverse it true.

That is pretty controversial too. Diabetes makes other diseases a lot more damaging and many doctors believe that heart disease is made much worse by most saturated fats. Two out of three diabetics actually die from cardiovascular disease.

The American Diabetes Association and the Mayo Clinic think that is is better to eat more carbs that are low on the glycemic load/index - mostly a lot of non-starchy vegetables and most fruits - than getting most of one's calories from fatty meats and dairy products.

There is a LOT of controversy over which type of diet for diabetes is the most effective for staying healthy for a longer period of time.

Edited June 17, 2013 by Ulysses G.

[chiang mai]

I think the sausage and eggs breakfast is a safe and quick option for most newly diagnosed diabetics, it's a stop gap measure that allows time to experiement with other perhaps safer items, that was certainly true for me at least. Now seven months on and I'm managed to find some more healthy meal options although I still revert to sausage and eggs too often I suspect. Having said that, I just got my blood tests done on Sunday and they were the best I have ever seen so I must be doing something right (even if I do eat sausage and egg McMuffins oonce a month).

[Ulysses G.]

I think the sausage and eggs breakfast is a safe and quick option for most newly diagnosed diabetics

It certainly sounds a lot tastier than cabbage soup and tofu.

[hellodolly]

Seems to me a lot of talk about carbs. What about sugar and fats. I looked up one for Peanut butter cup cakes that had a lot of peanut butter in it. That was in addition to some whole peanuts. I always thought that was not a good diabetic food.

I could be wrong.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes I went on line to see what was good and what was not good. I got a lot of conflicting reports One site actually said processed sugar was better for you than the sugar in fruit. One cite said watermelon was good another said no good. My doctor tells me chicken and pork are OK.

I didn't push it and ask if bacon was OK.

Finally just threw up my hands and cut back on the chocolate darn near entirely and made sure I ate an apple a day. My doctor tells me a green one is the best. Also papaya got to step up the veggies so far doing a good job with out the hamburgers and french fries.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes I got a lot of conflicting reports,,,,,,,, 15 years on is no different, not just on-line but from Doctors, Hospitals and other Diabetes professionals......

In UK a number of my friends were on the 'Atkins' diet, doing very well eating lots of bacon and cheese every day, meats with rich sauce, blood sugar way down. read mostly USA reports this diet is bad for diabetics. !!

again appears different is fruit, many say ALL fruit = good sugar, other give a list of what not to eat.. so which is right ?

It's likely to be different things for different people, I can eat a green apple but not a ripe banana.

I think that is the point where checking your sugar level regularly comes into play. My doctor says that my level is not that bad that I need constant monitoring. I eat three small bananas a day. If I had the testing equipment I could follow things like that more closely. I am fortunate that I was diagnosed with it early the only part that is affecting me is the nerves in the feet. I get a Vitamin B shot once a month for that plus I have some pills if it gets to bad or I can but don't go in for another shot as is once a month is bearable.

Not sure if diet would make a difference for that part of the disease. Going to check the glycemic load Ulyssis g mentioned. Had seen it before but it was just another confusing factor.

[hellodolly]

I think the sausage and eggs breakfast is a safe and quick option for most newly diagnosed diabetics, it's a stop gap measure that allows time to experiement with other perhaps safer items, that was certainly true for me at least. Now seven months on and I'm managed to find some more healthy meal options although I still revert to sausage and eggs too often I suspect. Having said that, I just got my blood tests done on Sunday and they were the best I have ever seen so I must be doing something right (even if I do eat sausage and egg McMuffins oonce a month).

Egg McMuffins the best item on offer at MacDonald s have to be OK please say so.

[ignis]

Here the main problem is price, something for diabetics = much more expensive,,,

Not really. Pork, chicken and beef are the same price for diabetics and non-diabetics.

??? Err

How are these item related to the topic CAKES for Diabetics ?

Never seen Pork, chicken and beef cheesecake what do they taste like ?

Edited June 17, 2013 by ignis

[Ulysses G.]

I just tried the cheesecake from Smith Residence. IMO, it is good for someone who is dieting or has diabetes and fits it into their diet. It is not really "no sugar' and they do not use artificial sweeteners. They use small amounts of low GI sweetener - the girl mentioned palm sugar. It is a very light desert, but the portions are decent.

[chiang mai]

I think the sausage and eggs breakfast is a safe and quick option for most newly diagnosed diabetics, it's a stop gap measure that allows time to experiement with other perhaps safer items, that was certainly true for me at least. Now seven months on and I'm managed to find some more healthy meal options although I still revert to sausage and eggs too often I suspect. Having said that, I just got my blood tests done on Sunday and they were the best I have ever seen so I must be doing something right (even if I do eat sausage and egg McMuffins oonce a month).

Egg McMuffins the best item on offer at MacDonald s have to be OK please say so.

My measure of whether I can or cannot eat a particular dish or item is whether or not it breaks the 135/140 barrier after 90 minutes, if it does it's banned for good, thus far I can tolerate 2 x EMM about twice a month, it's one of those riskier items that I've labelled as a special treat (how bad can things possibly get).

[theblether]

I just tried the cheesecake from Smith Residence. IMO, it is good for someone who is dieting or has diabetes and fits it into their diet. It is not really "no sugar' and they do not use artificial sweeteners. They use small amounts of low GI sweetener - the girl mentioned palm sugar. It is a very light desert, but the portions are decent.

I'll speak to the chef UG and get the content clarified from him.