Re-enact crimes is necessary: Thai police

[unanimosity]

If anyone ever asked for a good reason for colonialism in the 21st century, Thailand would be a great example.

Already colonized by "ineptitude"

Heard it said once that Thailand was colonialized by proxy by the Chinese.

[unanimosity]

Is it not obvious that the infeasibility of parading suspects....they are only suspects until a trial even with a confession...lends itself to creative license on the part of the perp to fathom up a scenario that will pass muster. What is the guarantee that the reenactment is accurate? Or, is parading a means whereby some authority has agreed to "authenticate" a parade version as "official" for whatever consideration?

[thhMan]

My kids do that too, at school. It promotes my children to think logical.

So when they are older, they dont need to play games to figure out basic things like hygiene, police work and where does the sun go when it hits the water

[StefanBBK]

Ok, this is lame, but...

There was a shooting in xxxx. 5 people were killed.

How many died?

10, it was re-enacted....

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[ginjag]

These photo shots are in general an obsession, most government/loal and bib- are always too ready to get photo's taken, It seems very important to them to be noticed-along with another obsession--the microphone.

At every event a mike and big speakers are at hand, no matter how many persons are present. House blessings-home marriages-funerals- To me most of it is over the top -just not normal, but that's their style. Just saying.

[johnlandy]

These photo shots are in general an obsession, most government/loal and bib- are always too ready to get photo's taken, It seems very important to them to be noticed-along with another obsession--the microphone.

At every event a mike and big speakers are at hand, no matter how many persons are present. House blessings-home marriages-funerals- To me most of it is over the top -just not normal, but that's their style. Just saying.

And what you are saying is right on the mark "they love noise to the point of worshipping noise" but please don't get me started

[kannot]

Boll**ks............ as usual.

[Pi Sek]

Acting out crimes is necessary (for entrapment): police

As others have mentioned, the trial should be where judgement is passed by a judge; not by some policeman, who don't exactly have the best track record of non-involvement in crime, after they have beaten a confession out of some poor fall guy. As we all know: in Thailand, real top criminals are supported by authorities, not arrested.

[rbrooks]

How about a fair trial where the outcome is not based on status and your bankroll? Is that not more necessary than allowing to showboat the police in front of their latest catch of a bad guy in action? It seems that Thailand has their priorities ass backwards. Why not leave Police with the perp reenacting their crimes in front of the camera to Hollywood movies and Thai soap operas to portray it as it really is, Fantasy? Just my opinion I am obviously wrong always in Thailand.

Edited July 4, 2013 by rbrooks

[Sunisalom]

Major point missed is that if a re-enactment takes place, and the perpretrator gets off scott-free, then they have just demonstrated how to do the crime.

However, there are some good policemen : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0dQ1BaK2Zg

But they are not in Thailand. This shows where the real criminals are.

Sunisa.

[Baerboxer]

I guess there are strange customs and practises everywhere. Such as the funny wigs in British courts...

Thailand is the hub of pointing of suspects and crime enactation.

How right you are about funny wigs, they prance about like transvestites in the British courtrooms. The country just cannot come into the 21st century, and what about the fancy titles, the Sirs and Lords.

What nonsense Paddy! The robes and wigs retain an air of authority in a similar way to other uniforms. The laws and justice system of the British countries have evolved over centuries and are regarded as some of the best in the world. Countries whose legal system is based on common law rather than civil have usually based this on the British system. The judges, lawyers and court officers in many countries wear some form of gown, wig, hat, sash or robe to identify their office.

I've never seen any court officials "prance about": and don't have you intimate knowledge on "transvestites" so can't comment on that. I wonder if you think those guys who prance around in orange skirts trying to play bagpipes are transvestites too?

This topic is about police making suspects re-enact crimes they are acused of and have 'admitted" during interogation; but I guess you see it as an opportunity to have a dig at a country you don't like or understand.

Being a Scot, I have never seen any guys in an orange skirt, I take it you mean a tartan skirt.

You've got the wrong flag in your avatar then. As Billy Conolly used to say "talking short bread tins".

[Baerboxer]

Did they do a re-enactment of the politician who shot his ex-wife whilst cleaning his Uzi over dinner in the restaurant.

Accidents happen - and I'd like to make sure I learned how to avoid this from studying the re-enactment.

[Thai at Heart]

Thai police reenactments are nothing more than a showcase spectacle for police to curry media attention onto themselves.

The walkthrough of some incidents are helpful for clearing up some points however the suspect is not compelled to partake. "Not obliged to "SAY" or "DO" anything. Basic legal rights. In a normal court any evidence/admissions obtained under duress is "NOT" admissible in court. physical assaults while interrogating suspects whom police strongly believe to be guilty is obtaining admissions under duress. A dumb witted stumbling lawyer would even get this evidence thrown out. The same dumb witted lawyer would advise his client not to partake as if the police had sufficient evidence to charge him then there would be no need for a re-enactment. The onus is entirely on the police to gather evidence and for the prosecution to prove a case beyond all reasonable doubt. The suspect has absolutely no obligation to assist the prosecution in gaining a conviction.

It is like asking the opposing team to kick goals for you in a football match because you don't have the talent to do it yourself.

"Police say they are doing what is best for Thai justice and the practice will continue."

How is physically assaulting someone during an interview or forcing them to incriminate themselves in a re-enactment Justice? If this is Thai Justice then it is definitely one sided justice. It is more like perverting the course of justice which it in itself is a crime.

Does it have to be performed in front of assembled crowd and media?

[chooka]

Thai police reenactments are nothing more than a showcase spectacle for police to curry media attention onto themselves.

The walkthrough of some incidents are helpful for clearing up some points however the suspect is not compelled to partake. "Not obliged to "SAY" or "DO" anything. Basic legal rights. In a normal court any evidence/admissions obtained under duress is "NOT" admissible in court. physical assaults while interrogating suspects whom police strongly believe to be guilty is obtaining admissions under duress. A dumb witted stumbling lawyer would even get this evidence thrown out. The same dumb witted lawyer would advise his client not to partake as if the police had sufficient evidence to charge him then there would be no need for a re-enactment. The onus is entirely on the police to gather evidence and for the prosecution to prove a case beyond all reasonable doubt. The suspect has absolutely no obligation to assist the prosecution in gaining a conviction.

It is like asking the opposing team to kick goals for you in a football match because you don't have the talent to do it yourself.

"Police say they are doing what is best for Thai justice and the practice will continue."

How is physically assaulting someone during an interview or forcing them to incriminate themselves in a re-enactment Justice? If this is Thai Justice then it is definitely one sided justice. It is more like perverting the course of justice which it in itself is a crime.

Does it have to be performed in front of assembled crowd and media?

Well in Australia if they go back to the crime scene to do a walkthrough it is done only with the expressed permission of the suspect and this permission is recorded electronically as well as a signed consent. He/she is also informed of his rights. There is no audience or media present as this has the possibility of jeopardising a fair trial if certain things are released to the public, there is also the suspects basic human rights to consider. Walkthroughs are rare in Australia.

[Thai at Heart]

Thai police reenactments are nothing more than a showcase spectacle for police to curry media attention onto themselves.

The walkthrough of some incidents are helpful for clearing up some points however the suspect is not compelled to partake. "Not obliged to "SAY" or "DO" anything. Basic legal rights. In a normal court any evidence/admissions obtained under duress is "NOT" admissible in court. physical assaults while interrogating suspects whom police strongly believe to be guilty is obtaining admissions under duress. A dumb witted stumbling lawyer would even get this evidence thrown out. The same dumb witted lawyer would advise his client not to partake as if the police had sufficient evidence to charge him then there would be no need for a re-enactment. The onus is entirely on the police to gather evidence and for the prosecution to prove a case beyond all reasonable doubt. The suspect has absolutely no obligation to assist the prosecution in gaining a conviction.

It is like asking the opposing team to kick goals for you in a football match because you don't have the talent to do it yourself.

"Police say they are doing what is best for Thai justice and the practice will continue."

How is physically assaulting someone during an interview or forcing them to incriminate themselves in a re-enactment Justice? If this is Thai Justice then it is definitely one sided justice. It is more like perverting the course of justice which it in itself is a crime.

Does it have to be performed in front of assembled crowd and media?

Well in Australia if they go back to the crime scene to do a walkthrough it is done only with the expressed permission of the suspect and this permission is recorded electronically as well as a signed consent. He/she is also informed of his rights. There is no audience or media present as this has the possibility of jeopardising a fair trial if certain things are released to the public, there is also the suspects basic human rights to consider. Walkthroughs are rare in Australia.

Even rarer when the guy has confessed.....

[ableguy]

The common practice of parading criminal suspects in front of the media to re-enact their alleged crimes

The two main things, they are only suspects of an alleged crime. The police brand them convicted criminals prior to attending court and display them as if they have just won the world cup.

What is this stupid comment "People who watch it will also not fall prey to such crime." How on earth does parading a suspect (not a proven offender) protect people from becoming victims of others? Does this sort of thing have the same mystical powers of amulets?

What happens if a suspect is then eliminated or found innocent in court, can he sue the police for publically humiliating him and branding him a criminal. Do defamation laws cover these people?

How often does someone who admits and re enacts a crime get found not guilty ?????????

[chooka]

The common practice of parading criminal suspects in front of the media to re-enact their alleged crimes

The two main things, they are only suspects of an alleged crime. The police brand them convicted criminals prior to attending court and display them as if they have just won the world cup.

What is this stupid comment "People who watch it will also not fall prey to such crime." How on earth does parading a suspect (not a proven offender) protect people from becoming victims of others? Does this sort of thing have the same mystical powers of amulets?

What happens if a suspect is then eliminated or found innocent in court, can he sue the police for publically humiliating him and branding him a criminal. Do defamation laws cover these people?

How often does someone who admits and re enacts a crime get found not guilty ?????????

Using the Thai methods as admitted to by the spokesman I would say there is a very good chance that all would get thrown out in any court outside of Thailand. Obtaining admissions and doing re-enactments under force or duress is just not acceptable in court. Now an admission over a nice cup of tea that is different.