Redshirts offer Chiang Mai as alternative capital for Yingluck govt

[ianf]

It's look like sedition !!!!!!!!!

Why DSI not investigate ??????

Even the threat of a separate northern Thai state is treason.

[binjalin]

Poor deluded fools, splitting the country between those who love the Shinawatras and those who love Thailand.

Hint to the fools in question, the second group is much, much larger than the first.

Hint to you - the majority voted PTP (for the last 20 years)

Reality check for you: Those who love the Shinawatra's to the point of wanting to secede are a very (pathetic) minority.

reality check for you: this has nothing to do with the Shins (who I don't particularly like) and everything to do with the Thai majority who VOTE for PTP time after time

[ratcatcher]

Poor deluded fools, splitting the country between those who love the Shinawatras and those who love Thailand.

Hint to the fools in question, the second group is much, much larger than the first.

Hint to you - the majority voted PTP (for the last 20 years)

Hint to you bj. PTP_ and the Shin influence haven't been around 20 years yet.

As for Chiang Mai becoming the capital of North Thailand, perhaps Khon Kaen is more appropriate as it's in Isaan and YL is the darling of Isaan.

As for where the border would imaginatively run, that's another problem Phitsanulok, Phichit and the western provinces are not solid red.

Anyway, this is all academic as she'll be gone soon. And as a last comment, the majority of Thais didn't vote PTP even as recently as 2011. North Thailand would be the economic equivalent of N.Korea.

Have a great evening watching Chalerm squirm.

[Chicog]

People seem to forget that this has already been mooted as Bangkok sinks inexorably into the briny.

Think of the traffic though!.....

[kittosoft]

Don't think it will happen. Maybe history will repeat itself again. Back to 2008

[whybother]

Poor deluded fools, splitting the country between those who love the Shinawatras and those who love Thailand.

Hint to the fools in question, the second group is much, much larger than the first.

Hint to you - the majority voted PTP (for the last 20 years)

Hint to you - read up on Thailand election results. TRT got a majority of the vote in one election. And PTP/PPP/TRT haven't even existed for 20 years.

[Ricardo]

She would be welcomed here

it will never happen but why not fantasize for a moment? ammart control South and PTP controlled North

I know where I'd rather be

anyway idle dreaming over... arm the Police, arrest the fascists and problem over! the majority of Thais would cheer! and vote AGAIN for PTP

"She would be welcomed here"

Not by everybody, I suspect, in fact in the recent election :-

http://asiancorrespondent.com/119339/ec-figures-show-turn-out-at-47-72/

Voters in the Northern region 8,526,095

of whom only 4,776,287 bothered to go out to vote

and 766,790 spoiled their voting-papers

while 1,011,857 voted 'No'

so only 2,997,639 cast their vote for a party, probably mainly PTP, but certainly not all.

These figures show that a maximum of 35.2% of northern-voters supported PTP, and probably fewer than that, if some were voting for other parties.

If only a third, or less, of local voters support PTP, can it really be true to say "she would be welcomed here", I suggest not.

[jollyman]

GOOD LUCK YINGLUCK

Here is the Wimp causibg all the trouble, looking a little Hot Mr Sethup???

Edited February 19, 2014 by jollyman

[binjalin]

She would be welcomed here

it will never happen but why not fantasize for a moment? ammart control South and PTP controlled North

I know where I'd rather be

anyway idle dreaming over... arm the Police, arrest the fascists and problem over! the majority of Thais would cheer! and vote AGAIN for PTP

Based on the protester deaths yesterday, the police are already armed.

we don't know but the 'ordinary' Police have posted a "statement" begging to be armed as they are being fired upon - unfortunately it is in the 'other' paper we are not allowed to quote

[trogers]

We could deploy 5,000 to 6,000 guards to provide security for the cabinet members," he said.

And I wonder why Thaksin has not return to his home up North to set up his dynasty with such numerous red guards and security...

[djjamie]

So parliament would be in CM?

I can really see all ministers moving to CM and if they ever oppose anything the regime says or does the RCM51 will be there to intimidate them or burn their houses down or even worse, kill them. They are known to murder opponents.

No protests will be allowed. They will be shut down immediately.

Sounds like a really swell idea. CM would be much easier to run the dictatorial regime from. Maybe they could smuggle the accused mass murder, accuses terrorist, convicted criminal fugitive leader back as well.

No more pesky TV statements or interviews. Think they are not transparent now. What until they move to CM

Wont happen.

[whybother]

She would be welcomed here

it will never happen but why not fantasize for a moment? ammart control South and PTP controlled North

I know where I'd rather be

anyway idle dreaming over... arm the Police, arrest the fascists and problem over! the majority of Thais would cheer! and vote AGAIN for PTP

Based on the protester deaths yesterday, the police are already armed.

we don't know but the 'ordinary' Police have posted a "statement" begging to be armed as they are being fired upon - unfortunately it is in the 'other' paper we are not allowed to quote

The CMPO have already said that there are armed police backing up the unarmed riot police. So, "we know".

[dwcrist]

I admit I lean a bit more red than I do yellow, but moving to Chiang Mai would be bad on so many levels.

1. Further divide the country.

2. Show of inability to manage the capital.

3. Show of fear and retreat.

4. Piss me off with more traffic here.

... just to name a few.

[binjalin]

She would be welcomed here

it will never happen but why not fantasize for a moment? ammart control South and PTP controlled North

I know where I'd rather be

anyway idle dreaming over... arm the Police, arrest the fascists and problem over! the majority of Thais would cheer! and vote AGAIN for PTP

"She would be welcomed here"

Not by everybody, I suspect, in fact in the recent election :-

http://asiancorrespondent.com/119339/ec-figures-show-turn-out-at-47-72/

Voters in the Northern region 8,526,095

of whom only 4,776,287 bothered to go out to vote

and 766,790 spoiled their voting-papers

while 1,011,857 voted 'No'

so only 2,997,639 cast their vote for a party, probably mainly PTP, but certainly not all.

These figures show that a maximum of 35.2% of northern-voters supported PTP, and probably fewer than that, if some were voting for other parties.

If only a third, or less, of local voters support PTP, can it really be true to say "she would be welcomed here", I suggest not.

3m out of 4.8 is pretty comprehensive in any election - certainly a majority

anyway we look nationally and we see, yet again, PTP win

don't believe it? HOLD an ELECTION

my point is that you might not like the result but "that's democracy folks"! I would have much rathered Dems participate

If an opposition party cannot defeat this lot then what on earth does it say for them???

[likewise]

Well Yingluck and her gang will be out soon, as good as certain.

Regarding thaksin, he can say do all he wants at the end he is not in his beloved motherland and seems like he won't be for a long time.

That must hurt him the most.

[dominique355]

These red shirts are blind and ignorant. I wish Thailand would split in to north and south. Let North Thailand be ruled by the Shinawatra dynasty and South Thailand by democracy. Then lets see after a couple of decades who is more advanced.

But please no tax money to the Shin province from other parts of the country. Let them become self-sufficient and let the local government buy all the rice at above-market prices and keep it until it's rotten.

and then ...

[Crushdepth]

I seem to recall that the Thaksin government fled to Chiang Mai shortly before they got chucked.

[citizen33]

People seem to forget that this has already been mooted as Bangkok sinks inexorably into the briny.

Think of the traffic though!.....

I don't suppose any future Northern Thailand will be keen to shut the sluice gates and hold the floods upstream - at least not for free. Maybe the new nation's balance of payments won't be quite as bad as North Korea's after all!

[Yunla]

This story is about Yingluck and the other slaves of Mister "The Ego Has Landed" himself, relocating for safety, it isn't about splitting the nation in half. Although I know that has been discussed a lot by various people before. Fact is that most Thais are extremely patriotic and proud to be Thai, meaning proud to be a part of the entire nation. Most Thais deeply love a certain important person, and the history and hugely distinguished and noble nature of that lineage. Most people in Bangkok have friends or relatives in the North too. All my Bangkok friends speak fondly of the North. I'm sure you will find Northerners who speak fondly of Bangkok too.

The north/south division is a media fabrication, although based on the very real prejudice and venom of small extremist minorities, who sadly speak the loudest and get listened to the most. But the majority would be completely against north/south division. Thailand's whole problem is a small minority of self-interested, divisive and extremist politicians. The solution to this problem is less factionalism, less division. We need leaders here who emphasise consensus and bold nexus-point solutions, and who really mean it and act on it - then the divisiveness will return where it belongs - on the extreme radical fringes.

On the actual topic of Yingluck moving her people and herself up there for security, it isn't really the topic of relevance. The real topic is that she has subverted the honourable position of PM by a string of failures, shady deals and scams, scams which although highly dishonourable were not a massive problem until the amnesty and rice issues, which were so completely grotesque that she may now have to "run for the hills." Cue guitars.

Edited February 19, 2014 by Yunla

[focus27]

The Kingdom of Lanna was followed by the Kingdom of Chiangmai, which although paid tribute to Thailand was not fully assimilated until... 1939.

The BS that passes off as Thainess has little to do with foreigners but a way of forcing the disparate tribes of Thailand to show obedience to Bangkok by following its customs, at the expense of their own local traditions. Not accidentally, this too started in 1939 when Thailand joined the Axis powers. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_cultural_mandates )

Just to add some historical context that some of the feelings expressed may well go back further than the Shin era.

[Thaddeus]

She would be welcomed here

it will never happen but why not fantasize for a moment? ammart control South and PTP controlled North

I know where I'd rather be

anyway idle dreaming over... arm the Police, arrest the fascists and problem over! the majority of Thais would cheer! and vote AGAIN for PTP

"She would be welcomed here"

Not by everybody, I suspect, in fact in the recent election :-

http://asiancorrespondent.com/119339/ec-figures-show-turn-out-at-47-72/

Voters in the Northern region 8,526,095

of whom only 4,776,287 bothered to go out to vote

and 766,790 spoiled their voting-papers

while 1,011,857 voted 'No'

so only 2,997,639 cast their vote for a party, probably mainly PTP, but certainly not all.

These figures show that a maximum of 35.2% of northern-voters supported PTP, and probably fewer than that, if some were voting for other parties.

If only a third, or less, of local voters support PTP, can it really be true to say "she would be welcomed here", I suggest not.

3m out of 4.8 is pretty comprehensive in any election - certainly a majority

How many times do we have to do this?

3m of 8.5m, is not a majority, not even close.

Anyway, this is a great idea, Separate Chang Mai from Thailand, make it an independent state, send all PTP MPs there and teach them the lyrics of "Didn't we almost have it all"

Offer relocation packages to anyone who wants to move out.

[asiamint]

These red shirts are blind and ignorant. I wish Thailand would split in to north and south. Let North Thailand be ruled by the Shinawatra dynasty and South Thailand by democracy. Then lets see after a couple of decades who is more advanced.

Thailand would be ruled by a democracyif the fascists in BKK would allow elections. It is small parts of the south that are being denied democracy.

The fascists in the south are following Suthep who does not want elections.

It would be a terrible thing if this great country were to be split.

How you can say there fascists just shows your complete ignorance to what the word really means and the history associated with the word.

I know plenty of people in the South, Central area's of the country that do not fit that description you gave them

Why don't you just lump everyone under the same banner, that's your logic

.

[Prbkk]

It makes sense to contemplate a permanent move to CM. It is far more suitable than Bangkok and a move could free the govt of all the hangers on living high on the hog in BKK, at taxpayers expense

[AleG]

"She would be welcomed here"

Not by everybody, I suspect, in fact in the recent election :-

http://asiancorrespondent.com/119339/ec-figures-show-turn-out-at-47-72/

Voters in the Northern region 8,526,095

of whom only 4,776,287 bothered to go out to vote

and 766,790 spoiled their voting-papers

while 1,011,857 voted 'No'

so only 2,997,639 cast their vote for a party, probably mainly PTP, but certainly not all.

These figures show that a maximum of 35.2% of northern-voters supported PTP, and probably fewer than that, if some were voting for other parties.

If only a third, or less, of local voters support PTP, can it really be true to say "she would be welcomed here", I suggest not.

3m out of 4.8 is pretty comprehensive in any election - certainly a majority

anyway we look nationally and we see, yet again, PTP win

don't believe it? HOLD an ELECTION

my point is that you might not like the result but "that's democracy folks"! I would have much rathered Dems participate

If an opposition party cannot defeat this lot then what on earth does it say for them???

3 million voted for A party. They didn't all vote for PTP.

And sure as heck not all of them would want to secede from Thailand.

[Lingba]

This is the beginning of the making of a new divided country...North Korea/South Korea.....North Thailand/South Thailand...and instead of the 38th parallel...it will be the 13th parallel

[Luk Mhee]

“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”

[Crushdepth]

It makes sense to contemplate a permanent move to CM. It is far more suitable than Bangkok and a move could free the govt of all the hangers on living high on the hog in BKK, at taxpayers expense

Well the climate is certainly better and its definitely less polluted. I'd be off in a second if work would be so kind to relocate, although I would prefer Phuket.

[RogueExpat]

New map.

[Just1Voice]

I agree that it's mostly media hype and not realistically going to happen, despite the comments and talk I've heard about it over the past 6 years of living in Chiang Mai. The thing that comes to my mind is that if there were a split, North/South, I have a feeling that the next monsoon season after, the people of the north and central would be laughing at BKK and telling them - "Gee, how's it feel to be flooded?"

[Suriya4]

Splitting the country could be an option not to be discounted.