Thai Army Chief denounces new UDD Chairman Jatuporn

[lomatopo]

For me, a man in charge of an army that would happily shoot its own citizens,

Yes, I think it is safe to say that the modern Thai Army has killed far more Thai citizens, defending the moneyed establishment than, any foreign enemies. They slaughtered many, many, many more citizens over the last 80 years than the famed "Thaksin Drug War".

Hopefully the aged and decrepit 60 - 80 year old Democratic Party "reformers" - funny how they only recently got the "reform" idea - will also seek to "reform" the Army, by stripping them of their unlimited centralized power and delving into the potential corruption at the heart of their nearly uncapped budget, as they have done more to disrupt the democracy and peace in the Kingdom over the past 80 years than any other entity.

My guess is that any reform will steer well clear of the Army.

[ianf]

Not surprising he did that. I mean Jatuporn! Really?!

As bad as Thida was, she was still considered a moderate red shirt, which isn't saying much. But Jatuporn is an extremist. He's only one step below Ko Tee. For the army chief to come out and directly denounce him shows how bad the situation is. Things are going to get bad.

At least Jatuporn is easy on the eyes..

Easy on the eyes, eh? Have you actually seen him. He struts like a thug and looks like the thug that he is. During the red meet at the Chiang Mai Convention Centre his ugly words were full of sedition and hate and brutality. Ugly outside. Ugly inside.

[dru2]

Wouldn't be a political thread if we didn't have a 1,2,3 post of BKKjames, Costas2008 and TVGerry with the yellow rhetoric. H90 only made it at 15 I expect better.

This is a Farang site but it's a fair reflection of Thai society where a small, often hypocritical, minority end up talking amongst themselves giving each other self congratulatory pats on the back.

Kind of like you, Binjalin and Gweiloman then?

[ianf]

"Gen. Prayuth gave a emphatic no. "He doesn't have enough honour for me to correspond with, and he never shows any honour for anyone".....Gen. Prayuth also expressed his "pity" for the Redshirts to have "an immoral man" as their leader."

So much for nuetrality of the military, back to 2010 in deciding who he will protect (PDRC) and not protect (PTP). A military commander is not required nor is it appropriate to publicly like any politician. For Prayuth to show clear hostility towards the PTP and its leadership in the absence of any hostilities is corruption of leadership and he should resign.

Absence of hostilities? Are you sure? What did Jaturporn and his cohorts scream about from the stage at the Chiang Mai Convention Centre on Saturday last? Hostility would be a mild word to use in this context. What about Jaturporn's speeches from the red stages in 2010? Hostile? You bet!

[ChrisY1]

The general is forced to make these comments as the caretaker defense minister doesn't do comments.

Jatuporn is on bail awaiting trial proceedings on terrorism. He will also appear before the courts soon for breaching the terms of his bail and openly makes his aggressive stance known.

Making him leader is Thaksin's way of saying - "don't try and remove his bail and watch out if court decisions go against my sister".

Doesn't really matter about what's right or wrong, legal or illegal. Thaksin still thinks he and all his mob are above and beyond the law.

He will also want a more ruthless minded person in command of the red shirts for when he tries to get the caretaker puppet YL regime to enact the Amnesty Whitewash bill into law. Someone who doesn't mind ordering others (no bottle himself) to commit violence.

The red militia is being recruited ready for the Amnesty Bill enactment backlash. That's why all the games to keep YL in the caretaker role. Once that's done. he'll be back to take over.

Peaceful protest will be crushed by the RTP and his militia who will claim defending democracy and the rule of law etc. The army will have no choice but to intervene and the puppet will cry coup, coup coup, and claim all charges against her and the gang are politically motivated.

This provocation clearly looks like the caddy has decided the stakes are so high they warrant risking all.

This appointment for Jutaporn could well make it quite difficult for the authorities to arrest him should the occasion arise.

Breaching his bail conditions and pending court cases......would he voluntarily go along to the court house??....

[sweatalot]

From the book "Examples of what an army chief in a civilized and democratic country should say nothing about"

And in a country that is neither civilized nor democratic?

[HonestQuietBob]

The general is forced to make these comments as the caretaker defense minister doesn't do comments.

Jatuporn is on bail awaiting trial proceedings on terrorism. He will also appear before the courts soon for breaching the terms of his bail and openly makes his aggressive stance known.

Making him leader is Thaksin's way of saying - "don't try and remove his bail and watch out if court decisions go against my sister".

Doesn't really matter about what's right or wrong, legal or illegal. Thaksin still thinks he and all his mob are above and beyond the law.

He will also want a more ruthless minded person in command of the red shirts for when he tries to get the caretaker puppet YL regime to enact the Amnesty Whitewash bill into law. Someone who doesn't mind ordering others (no bottle himself) to commit violence.

The red militia is being recruited ready for the Amnesty Bill enactment backlash. That's why all the games to keep YL in the caretaker role. Once that's done. he'll be back to take over.

Peaceful protest will be crushed by the RTP and his militia who will claim defending democracy and the rule of law etc. The army will have no choice but to intervene and the puppet will cry coup, coup coup, and claim all charges against her and the gang are politically motivated.

This provocation clearly looks like the caddy has decided the stakes are so high they warrant risking all.

This appointment for Jutaporn could well make it quite difficult for the authorities to arrest him should the occasion arise.

Breaching his bail conditions and pending court cases......would he voluntarily go along to the court house??....

I imagine he'll front up the minute after Suthep does.

[metisdead]

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[JAG]

The general is forced to make these comments as the caretaker defense minister doesn't do comments.

Jatuporn is on bail awaiting trial proceedings on terrorism. He will also appear before the courts soon for breaching the terms of his bail and openly makes his aggressive stance known.

Making him leader is Thaksin's way of saying - "don't try and remove his bail and watch out if court decisions go against my sister".

Doesn't really matter about what's right or wrong, legal or illegal. Thaksin still thinks he and all his mob are above and beyond the law.

He will also want a more ruthless minded person in command of the red shirts for when he tries to get the caretaker puppet YL regime to enact the Amnesty Whitewash bill into law. Someone who doesn't mind ordering others (no bottle himself) to commit violence.

The red militia is being recruited ready for the Amnesty Bill enactment backlash. That's why all the games to keep YL in the caretaker role. Once that's done. he'll be back to take over.

Peaceful protest will be crushed by the RTP and his militia who will claim defending democracy and the rule of law etc. The army will have no choice but to intervene and the puppet will cry coup, coup coup, and claim all charges against her and the gang are politically motivated.

This provocation clearly looks like the caddy has decided the stakes are so high they warrant risking all.

The mother of all conspiracy theories!

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[bigbamboo]

"Well-known Pheu Thai MP and longtime Redshirts activist, Mr. Jatupon Prompan, was appointed the new chairman of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) over the weekend, replacing Ms. Thida Thavornseth."

Where is the democracy in appointing someone? Aren't these the same bunch fighting against Suthep's idea of an appointed reform council? And exactly who appointed him, his pay master the man from Dubai. I don't believe the northerners and northeasters are stupid, but boy to continue to support the Redshirts they sure are gullible.

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Thaksin badly wants to keep the army on side and this appointment will not help.

Could this mean he's losing control of the redshirts as well as his sister?

[In Town]

"Well-known Pheu Thai MP and longtime Redshirts activist, Mr. Jatupon Prompan, was appointed the new chairman of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) over the weekend, replacing Ms. Thida Thavornseth."

Where is the democracy in appointing someone? Aren't these the same bunch fighting against Suthep's idea of an appointed reform council? And exactly who appointed him, his pay master the man from Dubai. I don't believe the northerners and northeasters are stupid, but boy to continue to support the Redshirts they sure are gullible.

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Thaksin badly wants to keep the army on side and this appointment will not help.

Could this mean he's losing control of the redshirts as well as his sister?

Did he ever have control of them? Are they merely his serfs? Do they not have any independent aspirations?

Thaksin is a straw man. If he and his sister and children were all gone do you think the military would then consent to popular rule?

[marcusd]

For me, a man in charge of an army that would happily shoot its own citizens,

Yes, I think it is safe to say that the modern Thai Army has killed far more Thai citizens, defending the moneyed establishment than, any foreign enemies. They slaughtered many, many, many more citizens over the last 80 years than the famed "Thaksin Drug War".

Hopefully the aged and decrepit 60 - 80 year old Democratic Party "reformers" - funny how they only recently got the "reform" idea - will also seek to "reform" the Army, by stripping them of their unlimited centralized power and delving into the potential corruption at the heart of their nearly uncapped budget, as they have done more to disrupt the democracy and peace in the Kingdom over the past 80 years than any other entity.

My guess is that any reform will steer well clear of the Army.

luckily it is only a guess for you. The general will win every time.

Marcusd. Via tapatalk

[kuthow]

"Gen. Prayuth gave a emphatic no. "He doesn't have enough honour for me to correspond with, and he never shows any honour for anyone".....Gen. Prayuth also expressed his "pity" for the Redshirts to have "an immoral man" as their leader."

So much for nuetrality of the military, back to 2010 in deciding who he will protect (PDRC) and not protect (PTP). A military commander is not required nor is it appropriate to publicly like any politician. For Prayuth to show clear hostility towards the PTP and its leadership in the absence of any hostilities is corruption of leadership and he should resign.

Jatuporn is not a member of PTP nor its leader nor a politician.

PDRC was not present in 2010.

[SICHONSTEVE]

They slaughtered many, many, many more citizens over the last 80 years than the famed "Thaksin Drug War".

The Drug War was three months, versus your 80 years, and killed 2,500.

Could you highlight some of the Army atrocities that justify your "many, many, many more" than 2,500.

Yes I'd like to know also - apart from those that died in 2010 from the army's self defence measures I don't remember any at all, certainly not in modern times anyway!!.

[kuthow]

The general is forced to make these comments as the caretaker defense minister doesn't do comments.

Jatuporn is on bail awaiting trial proceedings on terrorism. He will also appear before the courts soon for breaching the terms of his bail and openly makes his aggressive stance known.

Making him leader is Thaksin's way of saying - "don't try and remove his bail and watch out if court decisions go against my sister".

Doesn't really matter about what's right or wrong, legal or illegal. Thaksin still thinks he and all his mob are above and beyond the law.

He will also want a more ruthless minded person in command of the red shirts for when he tries to get the caretaker puppet YL regime to enact the Amnesty Whitewash bill into law. Someone who doesn't mind ordering others (no bottle himself) to commit violence.

The red militia is being recruited ready for the Amnesty Bill enactment backlash. That's why all the games to keep YL in the caretaker role. Once that's done. he'll be back to take over.

Peaceful protest will be crushed by the RTP and his militia who will claim defending democracy and the rule of law etc. The army will have no choice but to intervene and the puppet will cry coup, coup coup, and claim all charges against her and the gang are politically motivated.

This provocation clearly looks like the caddy has decided the stakes are so high they warrant risking all.

This appointment for Jutaporn could well make it quite difficult for the authorities to arrest him should the occasion arise.

Breaching his bail conditions and pending court cases......would he voluntarily go along to the court house??....

I imagine he'll front up the minute after Suthep does.

Why after?

Jatuporn has been repeatedly indicted for his street violence since July 2007 and thus should precede with his adjudication years before Suthep.

[tomacht8]

I do not know who and how the UDD appointed Jatuporn as the new leader, but I guess that was not by Thaksin,
coz this Jatuporn guy is sure not up to Thaksins standard.

His mental flexibility extends only to violence and hatred.

This is not enough to form a broad basis.

Many of the moderate forces are now turning away from the red shirt movement.

The UDD must be careful that they do not degenerate into a purely terrorist organization,
that only preaches violence, and has otherwise not any offer for other social solutions.

[MILT]

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The army chief also claimed he had no intention to take side in politics

Presumably a wink-wing, nudge-nudge accompanied this massive prevarication? Yes he speaks daily about political issues? Go figure.

So the new UDD leader is bandit, has committed unspecified illegal actions, has no honor.

I thought there were libel/slander laws here? But maybe those only apply to the "other side".

I am almost certain that factual satements do not fall under libel/slander.

[bigbamboo]

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Of course the Army Pooh Bah is impartial and above politics. alt=whistling.gif width=19 height=18>

The army chief also claimed he had no intention to take side in politics

Presumably a wink-wing, nudge-nudge accompanied this massive prevarication? Yes he speaks daily about political issues? Go figure.

So the new UDD leader is bandit, has committed unspecified illegal actions, has no honor.

I thought there were libel/slander laws here? But maybe those only apply to the "other side".

I am almost certain that factual satements do not fall under libel/slander.

There's an idea..... he could take the army chief to court. I'm surprised nobody's ever thought of that before.

[Halion]

Jutaporn has been duly warned as to the contempt that he and his ilk are held in by the Thai Military and he would be wise beyond his years to take this most seriously.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Jutaporn has been duly warned as to the contempt that he and his ilk are held in by the Thai Military and he would be wise beyond his years to take this most seriously.

You are not wrong about that - I believe that he knows where he stands (and it ain't on top of the pile, believe me)!!!

[Old Man River]

Not surprising he did that. I mean Jatuporn! Really?!

As bad as Thida was, she was still considered a moderate red shirt, which isn't saying much. But Jatuporn is an extremist. He's only one step below Ko Tee. For the army chief to come out and directly denounce him shows how bad the situation is. Things are going to get bad.

Jatuporn was so well thought of by YL and the PTP, that they refused to put him in their Cabinet. Given they found places for Chalerm and Nattawut, it says very little about this guy.

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[JamesDean3]

Gloves are coming off.

Its about time

[lemonjelly]

Wouldn't be a political thread if we didn't have a 1,2,3 post of BKKjames, Costas2008 and TVGerry with the yellow rhetoric. H90 only made it at 15 I expect better.

This is a Farang site but it's a fair reflection of Thai society where a small, often hypocritical, minority end up talking amongst themselves giving each other self congratulatory pats on the back.

Can one give someone else a self congratulatory pat on the back ?......... must be a West Country thing.

Edited March 17, 2014 by lemonjelly

[MikeOboe57]

I have to put a lid on some of the speculation. Jatuporn´s nomination was already in the pipeline in July 2013.

The Nation July 2, 2013 1:00 am

Thida Thavornseth plans to resign as chairwoman of the Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship (DAAD) to pave the way for Jatuporn Promphan to lead the red shirts, its leaders said yesterday.Thida's husband, Pheu Thai MP Weng Tojirakarn, said she expressed a wish to step down during a DAAD assembly on the weekend. Weng said Thida felt Jatuporn should be her successor as he had been left out of the latest Cabinet despite talk for months that he would be given a position.

According to Weng, Jatuporn agreed to accept the post but said he would need a few months to assess the political situation. He also has a health problem that needs to be cleared up. Weng said Thida would be there until her term comes to aned [sic!] in February next year.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Thida-to-let-Jatuporn-lead-red-shirts-next-year-30209490.html

[philw]

For me, a man in charge of an army that would happily shoot its own citizens,

Yes, I think it is safe to say that the modern Thai Army has killed far more Thai citizens, defending the moneyed establishment than, any foreign enemies. They slaughtered many, many, many more citizens over the last 80 years than the famed "Thaksin Drug War".

Hopefully the aged and decrepit 60 - 80 year old Democratic Party "reformers" - funny how they only recently got the "reform" idea - will also seek to "reform" the Army, by stripping them of their unlimited centralized power and delving into the potential corruption at the heart of their nearly uncapped budget, as they have done more to disrupt the democracy and peace in the Kingdom over the past 80 years than any other entity.

My guess is that any reform will steer well clear of the Army.

A good and sadly accurate post.

Some nutters on here, lauding various institutions should research their history a bit.

( Please note the necessary self censorship ).

Gt 2000 anyone ??

[phantomfiddler]

Great to see the army chief is in touch with reality "Dogmouth" the egomaniac has nothing positive to add here, and nice to know that he is to be treated with contempt

[Roadman]

Jutaporn has been duly warned as to the contempt that he and his ilk are held in by the Thai Military and he would be wise beyond his years to take this most seriously.

And well done to Khun General Prayuth Chan-Ocha for spelling it out to this piece of garbage.

I have a feeling that this time around if it needs to come to it (which sadly is looking more likely by the day and with this sort of continued UDD Khwai dueng level of intelligence) that Khun Prayuth and the Army has learnt from 2010 that instead of engaging with the the sacrificial front line pawns that they will go after those at the top.

Pleasing also to see the latest Army appointments with the senior ranks boasted by those who lost their comrade Colonel Romklao Thuwatham murdered by Thaksins treacherous lackies in 2010, and also that those Army appointments again strongly display loyalty to His Most Royal and Revered Highness, Thailand and the thai people above the garbage that pass for thai politicians. The puppet PM and her fugitive peoples court convicted criminal brother's diminishing hold on power is thankfully trumped by the Army appointments, and their inability to do anything about Army control and appointments. The sooner the courts deal to the Thaksin proxies the sooner that the real issue of Thailand's progression towards democracy can be investigated.

And for those that are frothing over The Army deaths over the last few years it is not the Army that is murdering people including children in the streets of Bangkok today it is the low life of both sides of the political scum that disgrace Thailand, and not the Army.

[Bangmod]

Of course the Army Pooh Bah is impartial and above politics.

The army chief also claimed he had no intention to take side in politics

Presumably a wink-wing, nudge-nudge accompanied this massive prevarication? Yes he speaks daily about political issues? Go figure.

So the new UDD leader is bandit, has committed unspecified illegal actions, has no honor.

I thought there were libel/slander laws here? But maybe those only apply to the "other side".

But telling the truth is no slander, and that pisshead Jatuporn is still on bail on terrorist charges.

Are you Robert Amsterdam????

[Bangmod]

Oo-er. Strong words. Countdown to coup?

More likely countdown to Jatuporn's funeral...

I drink on that, all drinks on me. (I know where Chalerm hit his stack of ear drops)

[BestBitterPhuket]

From the book "Examples of what an army chief in a civilized and democratic country should say nothing about"

This is Thailand, not a western "civilized and democratic country". Military has ruled the country as long as it's been called Thailand, including the current constitution. It's good that the ones in power speak up.

Prayuth seems to be the only one with brains in this circus act called "Thai democracy".

Yes, Thailand has been ruled by the military forever, and look what that "rule" has lead too. A backward, underdeveloped country with no proper rule of law, failed education system, poverty, huge political problems and massive corruption. "Great" rule, I must say. Edited March 17, 2014 by BestBitterPhuket