Suthep Will Ask HM King To Appoint Himself As Coup Leader

[Tatsujin]

Oh dear oh dear.

For all those people who said, Suthep doesn't want power himself, hmmmmmm.

Do people really want to give this bloke this absolute power to control anything. He needs to step away from the adulation of his own support.

I don't want him to have absolute power, no, and I'm very surprised to hear all these "statements" from him. If accurate, then I can't support the options he is proposing. It's Khaosod reporting though so I'll take a while and see what else is reported before jumping to conclusions.

Well let's see a little. But do you really think khaosod could really make this all up on their own?

Suthep is proving to be that little bit more dangerous and that little bit more nutty than we thought.

No need to wait and see, Khaisod have out and out lied and distorted the truth yet again.

They are not a news source, merely yet another lackey of Thaksin whose sole purpose is to spin the truth and spout forth the Thaksin propaganda to feed those gullible enough to believe it.

[wolfmanjack]

Can't see this one flying. Did he really say this stuff or did someone lift an article from the onion?

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I don't think that anyone believes that he said what khaosod propaganda outlet attributed to him. This is from The Nation. And the Bangkok Post runs similar story. Can you actually sue the media in Thailand for blatantly changing and distorting people's words for their own dark agendas?

PDRC chief ready to seek royal nod for new PM; Jatuporn warns red shirts won't allow unelected premier

Suthep Thaugsuban, leader of the anti-government movement, announced yesterday that if the movement gained "sovereign" status he would seek royal endorsement for a new prime minister.

His announcement came as thousands of pro-government red-shirt demonstrators gathered for a mass rally on Utthayan (Aksa) Road in Nakhon Pathom, just outside Bangkok.

The red-shirt rally is being held at a time when the caretaker government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is facing a number of legal problems that could lead to its demise.

Suthep yesterday said that as "the people's medium", he would nominate a new prime minister for royal endorsement.

He said following that a "people's assembly" would be set up to reform the country by amending the Constitution and relevant laws, before a new election would be organised.

He said that it was now the "final round" of battle against the caretaker government and that the "victory day" for the anti-government movement was drawing closer.

Suthep, secretary-general of the People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), expects the next battle to last about 15 days in a bid to "seize sovereignty back to the people".

He urged all groups of PDRC's supporters to be ready for declaration of "victory day".

"We will have to fight harder and this time it will be known if we will lose or win," he said before a gathering of PDRC supporters at Lumpini Park.

Suthep said the timing of "victory day" would depend on separate actions by the National Anti-Corruption Commission and the Constitutional Court against Yingluck.

The prime minister faces neglect-of-duty charges linked to the loss-making rice price-pledging scheme and allegations of abuse of power over the transfer of National Security Council secretary-general Thawil Pliensri.

Suthep said the PDRC would prevent the government and its supporters from denying the authority of the court.

"This time we will seize Thailand. The sovereignty belongs to the Thai people and the government has already committed suicide after dissolving the House of Representatives on December 9. We the people have the right to become the sovereign," he said.

Suthep said that yesterday's meeting of PDRC leaders from all over the country at Lumpini Park was attended by representatives from some 1,800 groups.

At the red-shirt rally, Jatuporn Promphan, leader of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), said he expected as many as 500,000 people to take part in the rally.

He said the red shirts would not allow an unelected prime minister to rule the country and that after 82 years the country had had enough of a "lack of democracy"...

"Suthep yesterday said that as "the people's medium", he would nominate a new prime minister for royal endorsement."

The rest of the article sounds more normal but I still think he has spent too much time in the sun if he is now saying he should be the one to appoint the next Pm. What happened to people nominating neutral people to be the interim Pm to be chosen by the senate or the king?

[fasteddie]

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Let's just game this out:

So what if Suthep is stupid enough to go through with this pan- and assuming no member of the Royal family engages with the request- then what?

Is a refusal tantamount to opposition? =\

This seems extra sketchy, even for mad dog Suthep.

Exactly.

Suthep is not so stupid... all you farang may think he is, but he is a wily old fox... Far from being stupid.

He knows he would never get a royal endorsement for a revolution. He would also never put his majesty in the position of having to make a decision like that.

He has not yet shown his hand regarding what actually the process is.

This has all been made up to stir up hatred for him, so that him and his movement will hopefully be attacked with unrelenting violence. That is all this stupid report is all about.......... incitement.

Suthep's an incredibly smart operator.

Never doubt that...... He has out-manouvered this government and all their so called legal experts constantly over the past 5 months and he will win this war for the people.

He also is well aware of the possible violence from the reds, I am sure he has plenty of plans laid out to thwart them.

The government lay out all their cards on the table on a daily basis about doing this next and that next... the smart poker player plays his cards close to his chest.... leaving people to guess and speculate.... he is laughing his tits off.

"he is laughing his tits off."

And we're laughing ours off at you!

[Tatsujin]

I think his behaviour should be seen as insult of the majesty the King. He want to overthrow the democracy and the constitution the King have authorised.

I think if you actually look beneath the surface of things or even look at past events and you'll find it's the Thaksin side who have always shown disrespect for the Monarchy.

In this case, he didn't say what was claimed by Khaosod. They lied.

[Prbkk]

It's all over. He will just have to retire gracefully ....and face the murder trial he has been avoiding for 5 months

[northernjohn]

Well that outburst meant he lost any credibility as far as I was concerned. At least one military leader has some moderation thankfully.

He hasen't lost any credibility with me yet. That is all talk. What he does in the future could change my opinion but at this point I think he is just mimicking Jatuprn and dribbeling nonsense.

It in no way takes away the good he has done rthe nation so far.

Furthermore, it is highly unlikely that millions of pro-government supporters in the north and northeast will quietly accept Mr. Suthep's effort to remove their elected government.

Have to agree with that.

In a separate mass rally in Nakorn Pathom province yesterday, Redshirts leader Jatupon Prompan insisted that the Redshirts are willing to fight for Ms. Yingluck, and ominously warned that a "civil war" could break out of Ms. Yingluck is removed by undemocratic ways.

Typical red shirt reaction threaten violence if they don't get their way. I wish he would complete the big baby scene and threaten to hold his breath until he get's his way.

Suthep had best back off up until the last few days he was being rational the Thai way. Now he is listening to Jatuporn and trying to equal his nonsense.

But I do admit he has done a great job up to this point. Time to let the system take over. If the red shirts stage an armed revolt the Army will crush them like a bug. They learned in 2010 what being nice to them get's them.

[xminator]

Is he collecting charges and missing a lese majeste ?

[Thaddeus]

Just got home after watching the football, turned on the television and all I can see is a Thai bloke shouting, that's all I've seen for the last few months, Thai blokes shouting.

The face on the screen at the moment I do not recognise, but I can pretty much guarantee that he shares the same attributes of all the others in the parade.

Never done a decent days work in his entire life.

[WoopyDoo]

It's all over. He will just have to retire gracefully ....and face the murder trial he has been avoiding for 5 months

Can't wait to see your box of fireworks pissed all over.

[JAG]

Well that outburst meant he lost any credibility as far as I was concerned. At least one military leader has some moderation thankfully.

He hasen't lost any credibility with me yet. That is all talk. What he does in the future could change my opinion but at this point I think he is just mimicking Jatuprn and dribbeling nonsense.

It in no way takes away the good he has done rthe nation so far.

Furthermore, it is highly unlikely that millions of pro-government supporters in the north and northeast will quietly accept Mr. Suthep's effort to remove their elected government.

Have to agree with that.

In a separate mass rally in Nakorn Pathom province yesterday, Redshirts leader Jatupon Prompan insisted that the Redshirts are willing to fight for Ms. Yingluck, and ominously warned that a "civil war" could break out of Ms. Yingluck is removed by undemocratic ways.

Typical red shirt reaction threaten violence if they don't get their way. I wish he would complete the big baby scene and threaten to hold his breath until he get's his way.

Suthep had best back off up until the last few days he was being rational the Thai way. Now he is listening to Jatuporn and trying to equal his nonsense.

But I do admit he has done a great job up to this point. Time to let the system take over. If the red shirts stage an armed revolt the Army will crush them like a bug. They learned in 2010 what being nice to them get's them.

Shooting 90 odd of them was being nice?

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[Choonpon]

When is it going to end??? Goodness gracious!

[dru2]

It's all over. He will just have to retire gracefully ....and face the murder trial he has been avoiding for 5 months

Yes indeed, if it's true. But it isn't, as time will tell - or a little reading of the Thai text - then what will you have to say?

[mrmicbkktxl]

Is he collecting charges and missing a lese majeste ?

Why should he worry charges for LM?

[Thai at Heart]

Yingluk is looking more sensible by the day. What a choice!

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Truly an amazing situation

The shinawatras are now the defenders of democracy more so than the so called Democrats or ex democrats.

T truly is T

[WoopyDoo]

Yingluk is looking more sensible by the day. What a choice!

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Truly an amazing situation

The shinawatras are now the defenders of democracy more so than the so called Democrats or ex democrats.

T truly is T

Only muppets swallow this crap story.

Only animals help to spread the dangerous lies to incite hatred.

Why don't you just sign up to the UDD... They will love you, they will feel superior around you.

[Thai at Heart]

Yingluk is looking more sensible by the day. What a choice!

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Truly an amazing situation

The shinawatras are now the defenders of democracy more so than the so called Democrats or ex democrats.

T truly is T

Only muppets swallow this crap story.

Only animals help to spread the dangerous lies to incite hatred.

Why don't you just sign up to the UDD... They will love you, they will feel superior around you.

Well please explain how the position that Suthep and his bunch is supporting democracy.

Animals? Sc***w you and your petty insults. You are continuing the horrendous class split that exists in this country. How on earth you as a probable farang can support Suthep and his nonsense I don't know.

You think the reds will feel superior around me? The one thing I know for sure is that your average yellow shirt definitely laughs at your support and definitely feels superior to you.

[WoopyDoo]

Yingluk is looking more sensible by the day. What a choice!

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Truly an amazing situation

The shinawatras are now the defenders of democracy more so than the so called Democrats or ex democrats.

T truly is T

Only muppets swallow this crap story.

Only animals help to spread the dangerous lies to incite hatred.

Why don't you just sign up to the UDD... They will love you, they will feel superior around you.

Well please explain how the position that Suthep and his bunch is supporting democracy.

Animals? Sc***w you and your petty insults. You are continuing the horrendous class split that exists in this country. How on earth you as a probable farang can support Suthep and his nonsense I don't know.

You think the reds will feel superior around me? The one thing I know for sure is that your average yellow shirt definitely laughs at your support and definitely feels superior to you.

Hehehe.

Pushed your buttons did I?

You support the child murderers all you want. Maybe your little terror friends will pop a few more off for you.

Personally I support reforms, you lot simply don't support reforms.

It is simple as that really.

Thai at heart...... OMG!!

More like People's Republic Of Lanna at heart.

Your stupid Idol has wrecked this country, and actually made the poor, even poorer..... You know it, but your wife won't let you admit it.

Enjoy your exodus when your red buffs turn on you...... lol

[AntiWinter]

Does the name "Hitler" ring a bell?

I agree that Thailand needs changes but the Shiniwatra's represent and help the Northern People which are mostly the Farmers, poor etc but held maybe 70+ of the votes. That is why Suthep doesn't want an election.

The "Suthepatist's" represent the Elite and ONLY the Elite which maybe would have 30% of the votes. Again, the reason Suthep does not want a fair election.

What would be nice (but will never happen) is if they had a PM that represented both the Elite and The Poor/Farmers etc and be united as one strong country. Thailand could become a first world nation if this was the case easily.

But asking the King (which both the Elite, farmers, poor etc) just LOVE emensley for permission to lead a coup and to be allowed to be a dictator is just plain crazy.

HM does not get involved in politics unless it is critical to the Kingdom which in this case it seems to be leaning that way but if there was a wall I could be a fly on, I know which wall that would be.

I really do hope things work out for ALL Thai people and the economics one way or another and pray that Civil War is NOT the result.

[BwindiBoy]

This man is deranged. He's completely lost the plot......which, coincidentally, rhymes with Pol Pot!!

[frankwhite]

This guy is just power hungry. He brings no resolution to any of the problems of Thailand

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[hgma]

I am wearing my own colours, but once in a while, when opportunity arises i try to understand this saga in Thailand.

I think this is a showcase of a collapsed democracy, turned into a deadly powerstruggle.

It is the final countdown of a system where the rich get richer and the poor poorer.

The rich calling on to their wealth, with their individual rights of wealth protection (by all means)

The poor are clinging on rethoric of popular leaders without realizing that they are being 'used' for higher purposes.

History has shown that both camps are loosers, a democracy can olny survive if people have a basic knowledge of democracy in the first place.

Something which is not present in Thailand.

[Publicus]

Yingluk is looking more sensible by the day. What a choice!

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Truly an amazing situation

The shinawatras are now the defenders of democracy more so than the so called Democrats or ex democrats.

T truly is T

Only muppets swallow this crap story.

Only animals help to spread the dangerous lies to incite hatred.

Why don't you just sign up to the UDD... They will love you, they will feel superior around you.

Several people said they thought they smelled a skunk.

[MAJIC]

He is all about himself.

So who is all Thaksin about? which seems like a life time?

[Emptyset]

Not sure how Khao Sod's reporting can be called 'propaganda' or fabricated in this instance. There doesn't seem to be much real difference between its version and other versions except that it's more detailed and explicit about what will be done. One signicant difference is that Khao Sod describes Suthep as speaking as "I" (as though he's unilaterally taking decisions) and other translations describe him as saying "we" - pronouns are often left out of Thai speech so perhaps it was open to interpretation. In any case, there's no practical difference. Suthep is saying he'll go to the King, have himself appointed coup leader (as all previous coup leaders have done) then will proceed to appoint a PM and People's Council on behalf of the "people", having assumed the sovereign power bestowed to him by those same "people".

Here's some other tweets which support this version of how Suthep intends to go about this:

Aim_The Nation ‏@Aim_NT Apr 5

Recap: The resolution of 1,800 PDRC network today: PDRC must take sovereignty back from "Miss Flower (PM Yingluck)": Suthep Via @madoodao

Aim_The Nation ‏@Aim_NT Apr 5

PDRC will announce its sovereignty, set up people's govt, ppl's legislative assembly, the reform Thailand: Suthep via @madoodao

Aim_The Nation ‏@Aim_NT Apr 5

Recap: All supporters must be prepared, the next whistle blowing (mass rally) might be 15-day+ long: Suthep via @madoodao

So I can't see what people are strongly objecting to in the Khao Sod report. As I say, the only clear difference seems to be that Khao Sod makes it sound as though Suthep is going to take unilateral action whereas other reports have it down as the PDRC taking action collectively (but with Suthep at its head and as its key actor)... and there isn't real a substantial difference between calling it a collective PDRC action and describing it as though Suthep is alone assuming sovereign power. For all practical purposes, the buck will stop with Suthep if he manages to get what he wants. Of course, he promises to step aside once he's appointed the Council and interim PM. That is something that Khao Sod perhaps didn't make clear, although they could perhaps argue that Suthep will hold the real power even if he steps into the background once the interim PM and council is appointed, given his ability to mobilize street protesters if they do something he doesn't like (this is debatable).

This seems contentious since no other agency reported it: "We will have something like Article 17 [of 1959 Administrative Charter] as the highest law," Mr. Suthep said, referring to the charter article which allowed Field Marshal Sarit to fight suspected Communist threats by all means, " will be able to order anyone to be executed by firing squad, but I will only freeze assets". Yet since it's a direct quote, I find it hard to believe it was completely fabricated. It's more likely others decided not to quote it because they'd have to go into details of Article 17 etc and perhaps it was just too much trouble. Khao Sod have apologized for making errors before but fabricating a whole quote is a different matter entirely and something which seems unlikely to me as it actually seems that they're trying hard to get things right in terms of translation and accurate quoting (although we've had past debates about some of the controversial translations they've made).

Anyway, as above, Article 17 was part of Sarit's interim constitution of 1959 and it's understood to have given him more or less arbitrary power. I believe this provision was still in place throughout the Sarit-Thanom period and Sarit did indeed have many alleged criminals shot on the spot without trial (and this sort of "decisive" leadership is still viewed positively by many Thais hence the popularity of the war on drugs). So I guess Suthep is pretty much saying, yes, he could do what he wants under a new Article 17, but since he's responsible, he'll only use it to seize assets. I take it he said this to reassure people that he's not the type who'd be completely crazed with power and won't suddenly start having people who he doesn't like shot.

[Emptyset]

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Let's just game this out:

So what if Suthep is stupid enough to go through with this pan- and assuming no member of the Royal family engages with the request- then what?

Is a refusal tantamount to opposition? =\

This seems extra sketchy, even for mad dog Suthep.

Exactly.

Suthep is not so stupid... all you farang may think he is, but he is a wily old fox... Far from being stupid.

He knows he would never get a royal endorsement for a revolution. He would also never put his majesty in the position of having to make a decision like that.

He has not yet shown his hand regarding what actually the process is.

This has all been made up to stir up hatred for him, so that him and his movement will hopefully be attacked with unrelenting violence. That is all this stupid report is all about.......... incitement.

Suthep's an incredibly smart operator.

Never doubt that...... He has out-manouvered this government and all their so called legal experts constantly over the past 5 months and he will win this war for the people.

He also is well aware of the possible violence from the reds, I am sure he has plenty of plans laid out to thwart them.

The government lay out all their cards on the table on a daily basis about doing this next and that next... the smart poker player plays his cards close to his chest.... leaving people to guess and speculate.... he is laughing his tits off.

"He knows he would never get a royal endorsement for a revolution. He would also never put his majesty in the position of having to make a decision like that."

You do know how coups work right? In the past all successful coup leaders have sought royal approval immediately after they've seized power. If Suthep's coup is to succeed, why - and how - could it be any different? After all, if things go as Suthep suggests they will, it will be a coup, albeit one not involving military force.

And how could it be otherwise? As we've previously discussed to exhausting degree, there are no extant legal provisions for otherthrowing the constitution and appointing a People's Council. A coup is required. And why should this coup be different to past coups if it's to be successful?

[Thai at Heart]

Keeping in mind that there is no possible way to speak on this subject without conflicting with ThaiVisa's rules of conduct

Let's just game this out:

So what if Suthep is stupid enough to go through with this pan- and assuming no member of the Royal family engages with the request- then what?

Is a refusal tantamount to opposition? =\

This seems extra sketchy, even for mad dog Suthep.

Exactly.

Suthep is not so stupid... all you farang may think he is, but he is a wily old fox... Far from being stupid.

He knows he would never get a royal endorsement for a revolution. He would also never put his majesty in the position of having to make a decision like that.

He has not yet shown his hand regarding what actually the process is.

This has all been made up to stir up hatred for him, so that him and his movement will hopefully be attacked with unrelenting violence. That is all this stupid report is all about.......... incitement.

Suthep's an incredibly smart operator.

Never doubt that...... He has out-manouvered this government and all their so called legal experts constantly over the past 5 months and he will win this war for the people.

He also is well aware of the possible violence from the reds, I am sure he has plenty of plans laid out to thwart them.

The government lay out all their cards on the table on a daily basis about doing this next and that next... the smart poker player plays his cards close to his chest.... leaving people to guess and speculate.... he is laughing his tits off.

"He knows he would never get a royal endorsement for a revolution. He would also never put his majesty in the position of having to make a decision like that."

You do know how coups work right? In the past all successful coup leaders have sought royal approval immediately after they've seized power. If Suthep's coup is to succeed, why - and how - could it be any different? After all, if things go as Suthep suggests they will, it will be a coup, albeit one not involving military force.

And how could it be otherwise? As we've previously discussed to exhausting degree, there are no extant legal provisions for otherthrowing the constitution and appointing a People's Council. A coup is required. And why should this coup be different to past coups if it's to be successful?

Don't ask him a sensible question like that.

It isn't enough that Suthep says it out of his own mouth that he would seek endorsement.

What he means is that Suthep is obviously such a genius of negotiation and persuasion that he would appoint himself coup leader without any such endorsement. Of course he's such a genius he wouldn't dare to think that he could seek such an endorsement, because only really stupid people would do such a thing right.

Ergo, he didn't say it. But he did, ergo, he's dumb.

[tezzainoz]

Oh dear oh dear.

For all those people who said, Suthep doesn't want power himself, hmmmmmm.

Do people really want to give this bloke this absolute power to control anything. He needs to step away from the adulation of his own support.

It seems there are so many TVF members who have been taken as fools

My Thai wife and her friends where there and she says

Suthep never said any such thing

even some one is bad translating Thai, or some one is making fools out of Farlang who jump the min they her the word Suthep

The are thousands of Thais protesting and that includes my wife and her friends, who would never allow Suthep to take over the rule of the country, he is just a leader they put up with to bring the people together

Instead of jumping the gun, when do you not have the common sense to wait and see what the real leader sof the Dem Party have to say

Watched it live yesterday. I've not taken sides in this debacle but I do know he said nothing of the sort. This article is either absolute nonsense spin or extremely badly translated.

A. He did not say he'd be appointing himself as leader of anything other than the PDRC.

B. He called on all able-bodied people to come out of their homes and celebrate once victory has been achieved ... which he expects to occur in about fifteen days time.

There are many Farlang who use TVF, who have been living in Thailand to long

They believe in any thing that the red shirts say, I only hope a Red shirt newspaper does not print that the world is flat

[Tokay]

Ah yes, the power to execute people. That's always a nice one.

However, I'm going to chalk that up as more hot air. Until they start rounding up the Jews red shirts and putting holes in their head, I'll keep living my life normally here.

But hey, next door had Pol Pot not too long ago, so anything is possible. They are all cut from the same cloth.

[IMA_FARANG]

Pure Red Shirt Bulls--t.

As you can easily tell from the "Coup against the elected government" bull-pucky.

And written by one of the paid agents of the Tax-sinner in the desert.

[tezzainoz]

It's all over. He will just have to retire gracefully ....and face the murder trial he has been avoiding for 5 months

Its really sad at this stage of the posting, that it has now been proved the whole thing is just a lie to get the red shirts mad, that some TVF members still think this is actually true, as another member has already said " it is you who is carted off to hospital........................ and fast! "