RadKiter Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Thailand's record for respecting media freedom," said Brad Adams, ... - Mr. Adams is obviously unaware of the actual record regarding media freedom. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chainarong Posted April 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2014 Instead of launching knee jerking legal action , would it be more appropriate to hold an inquiry / investigation into these allegations with the international press council and then this will dispel any allegations of corruption within the Thai navy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 ....hooliganisms.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Instead of launching knee jerking legal action , would it be more appropriate to hold an inquiry / investigation into these allegations with the international press council and then this will dispel any allegations of corruption within the Thai navy. They probably know that the Navy would sink if they did that. They probably thought by taking these two fingerlings down they would scare the rest of the worlds media off. It has actually had the opposite effect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsv1238 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If those in control can treat these two journalists with such contempt, think how they must view the vast majority of their fellow citizens. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Just wondering, Yingluk was globetrotting around the world rubbing shoulders with diplomats and preaching on about Thailands Freedoms and freedom of speech. Now we have Yingluk who I also believe is not just the P.M but also the Defence Minister allowing her military officers to sue a couple of journo's of a local community paper. Why isn't she ordering them to drop this nonsense as she is the one looking like the idiot and hypocrite. Take control of your military woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Welcome to the 21st century then ..........Hope that story fizzles away as all those cases involving some local big wig kiddies - everything else could have a devastating impact on this country - again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsv1238 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Just wondering, Yingluk was globetrotting around the world rubbing shoulders with diplomats and preaching on about Thailands Freedoms and freedom of speech. Now we have Yingluk who I also believe is not just the P.M but also the Defence Minister allowing her military officers to sue a couple of journo's of a local community paper. Why isn't she ordering them to drop this nonsense as she is the one looking like the idiot and hypocrite. Take control of your military woman. I doubt this is in her hands. She is just a "care taker" PM now. And surely if she did say something, I'm certain the CC will try to use this as another excuse to remove her from power. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieinthailand Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The Australian government should be pulling out all stops to pressure the charges being dropped, Every Thai and Australian should be making their concerns be known, unfortunately if they use a computer to do that they then face the very same charges, this misuse of the law should also be under mass scrutiny. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Welcome to the 21st century then .......... Hope that story fizzles away as all those cases involving some local big wig kiddies - everything else could have a devastating impact on this country - again! I can see the next headlines Tourism Authority Sues Navy For Tarnishing Thailand's Reputation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardy1943 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 It is time to quit thinking like 250 years ago and join most of the rest of they world if that can ever be possible.We can hope. Right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLew Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Bad move for Thailand, they haven't thought of the consequences of such move. The foreign media will rip them apart. You are right they will get torn a new one ... but Thailand and Thais do not give a hoot what people say or think about them in this kind of case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Two journalists charged with defaming Thai navy Alan Morison and Chutima Sidasathien charged for using excerpts from Reuters' Pulitzer prize-winning reports on people trafficking theguardian.com, Thursday 17 April 2014 15.25 BST The Thai authorities have charged two journalists with defaming the country's navy in a news report about the trafficking of refugees from Burma, amid concerns about press freedom in the country. http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/apr/17/two-journalists-charged-defaming-thai-navy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 One again: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominique355 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Just wondering, Yingluk was globetrotting around the world rubbing shoulders with diplomats and preaching on about Thailands Freedoms and freedom of speech. Now we have Yingluk who I also believe is not just the P.M but also the Defence Minister allowing her military officers to sue a couple of journo's of a local community paper. Why isn't she ordering them to drop this nonsense as she is the one looking like the idiot and hypocrite. Take control of your military woman. She has already been charged with dereliction of duty. One more such crime make no difference to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampolee Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) They were released on bail of 100,000 baht ($3,100) each, while Morison was banned from leaving the country, he said, adding that they will return to court on May 26. Yet strange as it seems Ko-Tee can vanish without a trace and his comments border both treason and sedition. Convicted bail jumping felons live abroad in carefree paid for luxury with passport restored, yet that creature will not come back to Thailand yet others are barred from leaving Thailand. Surely not double standards involved here in this issue? Edited April 18, 2014 by siampolee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 One post linking to a personal blog site removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick44 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The article in question was not a Pulitzer-winning article and the only thing closely related is the writer lifted one paragraph from the Reuters article. Reuters response to this has been to say their article was fair and balanced (include responses from Thai Police, Navy and they have not been accused of libel. The Reuters Article (award winning) can be found at http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/17/us-myanmar-exodus-specialreport-idUSBRE96G02520130717 Important facts are missing form this story so far. I suppose the original article in Phuketwan has been unpublished. But you're saying that it included one paragraph from Reuters. Then the rest presumably was Phuketwan's own reporting. So, was it the Reuters paragraph or Phuketwan's own reporting that resulted in the law suit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondan Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Bad move for Thailand, they haven't thought of the consequences of such move. The foreign media will rip them apart. Which will just further entrench the inbuilt Thai inferiority complex and add another chip to the shoulder Sent from my GT-I9300T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I hope that the Thai system gets ridiculed completely and that whoever brought this stupid case gets demoted for ruining the reputation of the army. Anyone for a Facebook campaign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondan Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Of course, governments never try to muzzle the media in the West! Sent from my GT-I9300T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 There may be a bigger picture to this libel suit. Thailand faces an automatic downgrade to Tier 3, the lowest rank in the U.S. government's Trafficking In Persons (TIP) Report, unless it makes "significant efforts" to improve its record, according to the US State Department. A Tier 3 designation would put Thailand alongside North Korea and the Central African Republic as the world's worst centers of human trafficking, and would expose Thailand to U.S. sanctions - a major embarrassment to Thailand and to its military, ie., Navy. In March Thailand submitted a 78-page report on its trafficking record for 2013 to the US State Department. Thai officials provided a copy to Reuters. In the report, Thailand includes no Rohingya in its tally of trafficked persons. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that "We have not found that the Rohingya are not victims of human trafficking," but "In essence, the Rohingya question is an issue of human smuggling." Thailand's distinction between smuggling and trafficking is critical to Thailand from being downgraded to Tier 3. The sacrafice of a couple reporters' freedom to protect the Navy and Thailand's reputation from US recrimination might be a small price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard10365 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If this is true then shame on the Navy and they should be punished. If this turns out to be not true then shame on the reporters and they should be held accountable. If the wrong law was cited in defamation then toss out the case and file proper defamation charges. A press pass does not give an individual the right to write or reprint false statements about an individual or an organization. If they think they have a serious case it seems to me they should be reporting it to higher authorities and not writing about it. If they witness a murder, do they write about it first and hope the police read their paper or do they call the Police? How is this a different? Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) If this is true then shame on the Navy and they should be punished. If this turns out to be not true then shame on the reporters and they should be held accountable. If the wrong law was cited in defamation then toss out the case and file proper defamation charges. A press pass does not give an individual the right to write or reprint false statements about an individual or an organization. If they think they have a serious case it seems to me they should be reporting it to higher authorities and not writing about it. If they witness a murder, do they write about it first and hope the police read their paper or do they call the Police? How is this a different? Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app They didn't write it, they reproduced it.....Who would ever register and host an internet based newspaper in Thailand? Just stick it overseas. Edited April 18, 2014 by Thai at Heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard10365 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If this is true then shame on the Navy and they should be punished. If this turns out to be not true then shame on the reporters and they should be held accountable. If the wrong law was cited in defamation then toss out the case and file proper defamation charges. A press pass does not give an individual the right to write or reprint false statements about an individual or an organization. If they think they have a serious case it seems to me they should be reporting it to higher authorities and not writing about it. If they witness a murder, do they write about it first and hope the police read their paper or do they call the Police? How is this a different? Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app They didn't write it, they reproduced it.....Who would ever register and host an internet based newspaper in Thailand? Just stick it overseas. I did include "reprint" in my comments. Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If this is true then shame on the Navy and they should be punished. If this turns out to be not true then shame on the reporters and they should be held accountable. If the wrong law was cited in defamation then toss out the case and file proper defamation charges. A press pass does not give an individual the right to write or reprint false statements about an individual or an organization. If they think they have a serious case it seems to me they should be reporting it to higher authorities and not writing about it. If they witness a murder, do they write about it first and hope the police read their paper or do they call the Police? How is this a different? Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app They didn't write it, they reproduced it.....Who would ever register and host an internet based newspaper in Thailand? Just stick it overseas. I did include "reprint" in my comments.Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Did it even make it into print form? Or was only web based? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard10365 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I don't see much difference. Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I don't see much difference. Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Massive difference depending on jurisdiction. They are charged with computer crimes anyway. If they had registered the website outside Thailand, this would never have happened. But anyway, if I sit in Thailand and read it on someone else's website, why aren't they guilt also. Why isn't Reuters guilty? I hope the judge sees sense and tosses this case into the sea. If I put the link up on my Facebook am I guilty? Its all stupid legal nonsense to cover their backside instead of disproving the allegation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I don't see much difference. Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Massive difference depending on jurisdiction. They are charged with computer crimes anyway. If they had registered the website outside Thailand, this would never have happened. But anyway, if I sit in Thailand and read it on someone else's website, why aren't they guilt also. Why isn't Reuters guilty? I hope the judge sees sense and tosses this case into the sea. If I put the link up on my Facebook am I guilty? Its all stupid legal nonsense to cover their backside instead of disproving the allegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I don't see much difference. Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Massive difference depending on jurisdiction. They are charged with computer crimes anyway. If they had registered the website outside Thailand, this would never have happened. But anyway, if I sit in Thailand and read it on someone else's website, why aren't they guilt also. Why isn't Reuters guilty? I hope the judge sees sense and tosses this case into the sea. If I put the link up on my Facebook am I guilty? Its all stupid legal nonsense to cover their backside instead of disproving the allegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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