Thai-born British citizen accused of lese majeste by her own parents

[farang000999]

So she was willing to sacrifice being able to come to Thailand and eat all the delicious foods just so she could speak her mind about the monarchy? Does not seem like a fair trade off.

[somjitr]

So she was willing to sacrifice being able to come to Thailand and eat all the delicious foods just so she could speak her mind about the monarchy? Does not seem like a fair trade off.

I would value freedom of speech over food any day. Besides, Thai food is everywhere these days.

[louse1953]

It appears that a lot of Posters here (Farang) haven't got the slightest clue about this subject.

Let me assure you that what this silly girl is doing, from a 'safe distance' from Thailand, is wreaking havoc on her family's lives. Not only that, but the lives of her family members are in real danger.

Now; one can agree or disagree with the laws of Thailand; that's anyone's prerogative; however, a little respect for the Thai culture and it's inherent reverence for the Royal Family IS a very solid part of that culture.

People should not castigate the family-members, who are living in Thailand, - because THEY did not cause this drama: their silly daughter, living in the UK did.

Do not be too surprised to open the paper one morning soon, to learn that this silly daughter has met with a terrible and fatal incident . . . . . Thai's in the UK are also fierce supporters & admirers of our King - and may just take the law into their own hands, to the detriment of this girl's health.

'Thais in the UK' will no doubt appreciate they live in a FREE country where FREE speech is encouraged and they will appreciate that the British Royal Family are not protected but such a law and are still LOVED and SECURE

'if' they do as you suggest they will experience the full force of the British Law which will not be bought

Good Luck to this young lady for using her RIGHTS as a human being - that of free speech - we may not agree with her but we should defend her RIGHT to say what she thinks but that's a democracy that many Thais have not had the privilege of experiencing

If the monachy in any country is so good,it will stand up for itself.If not good over a period of time the people will bring it down.These people know the privilidges they have and wont be letting that go in a hurry.As far as the British royals are concerned i think latest polls show majority want them out,but not in a hurry,waiting for Lizzy to drop.Meanwhile the grandson and family tour Aust.at the taxpayers expense,what a life.Do these people ever dip into their own pocket?

[darren84310]

Funny how the headline tries to imply she is British rather than Thai, even my Thai friends were watching this clip the other day believing she is half English-half Thai, and I'm sure they were thinking that's the result of not being 100% Thai.

Any small opportunity to shift blame in anyway is seized upon time and time again.

[Thai at Heart]

It appears that a lot of Posters here (Farang) haven't got the slightest clue about this subject.

Let me assure you that what this silly girl is doing, from a 'safe distance' from Thailand, is wreaking havoc on her family's lives. Not only that, but the lives of her family members are in real danger.

Now; one can agree or disagree with the laws of Thailand; that's anyone's prerogative; however, a little respect for the Thai culture and it's inherent reverence for the Royal Family IS a very solid part of that culture.

People should not castigate the family-members, who are living in Thailand, - because THEY did not cause this drama: their silly daughter, living in the UK did.

Do not be too surprised to open the paper one morning soon, to learn that this silly daughter has met with a terrible and fatal incident . . . . . Thai's in the UK are also fierce supporters & admirers of our King - and may just take the law into their own hands, to the detriment of this girl's health.

'Thais in the UK' will no doubt appreciate they live in a FREE country where FREE speech is encouraged and they will appreciate that the British Royal Family are not protected but such a law and are still LOVED and SECURE

'if' they do as you suggest they will experience the full force of the British Law which will not be bought

Good Luck to this young lady for using her RIGHTS as a human being - that of free speech - we may not agree with her but we should defend her RIGHT to say what she thinks but that's a democracy that many Thais have not had the privilege of experiencing

If the monachy in any country is so good,it will stand up for itself.If not good over a period of time the people will bring it down.These people know the privilidges they have and wont be letting that go in a hurry.As far as the British royals are concerned i think latest polls show majority want them out,but not in a hurry,waiting for Lizzy to drop.Meanwhile the grandson and family tour Aust.at the taxpayers expense,what a life.Do these people ever dip into their own pocket?

Would like to see these stats stating the MAJORITY want the royals out. Just explain that would mean having a President, and the result would change to 99.9%,support.

[nontabury]

Most Thailand expats seem to be disenfranchised with their usually more civilised home nations. Many don't have a good word to say about home. Cheap young pussy really does appear to impair memory function and the faculty of fair critical comparison.

Well I'm certainly not here for any of that. So by your argument that means my critical thinking is unaffected.

And it isn't really about being disenfranchised, it is about weighing up and assessing the pros and cons of all nations. In England my various flats or houses were burgled over a dozen times, I was repeatedly mugged in the street (and I'm a disabled lady), I saw a lot of behaviour that was not the "civilisation" you speak of. In Bangkok I have been neither burgled nor mugged in many years visiting here.

On-topic though, I have great respect for the UK, and the Queen of England. I am not a critic of her, she has served her country every day, and if you read about her life you will understand that especially in her youth, the role she was born into was a very demanding and exhausting one.

I have, if anything, greater admiration and respect for the most illustrious and magnificent HMTK in my adopted nation. I always judge a person by their actions, and I have the utmost respect for this person because of those actions. I can not compare those many benevolent and unifying actions, to the actions of a hairdresser who seeks to be an internet sensation by insulting people in a remote and verminous manner.

Agree with your first part, the British royal family is open to investigation and criticism, some of it unwarranted, but at least the people know what they are in support of. Here in Thailand they are completely unaware of the actions of the royal family and what they represent.The King himself criticised this law a few years ago, stating that he should be open to critism.

[louse1953]

This is a parallel universe. Nine pages of yellow-shirted TV members defending the reddest red-shirt rant ever seen on ThaiVisa. What a strange experience.

Are any of you men (of course) rethinking the whole yellow-shirt thing to throw in with Rose's dear friends.?

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You are the one in a parrallel universe.This has nothing to do with the colour of ones shirt,it is defending freedom of speech?

[JO1973]

She's a British citizen residing in London.

She can say what she wishes.

Exactly.

There's something a little off with the idea that a person can be punished for something they did outside of a country where that action is prohibited. I think the law is outdated and needs to be scrapped, but if a person said something about the monarchy while outside of Thailand in a country that allows free speech, I don't believe they can be charged with anything.

[louse1953]

If found guilty for disrespect, I hope she go to jail to the limit of the punishment. 5 years for every disrespect. That will be good for her. Thailand do not have such disrespectful people. We all love the king more than our parents. Don't believe me, just ask anything Thai you know.

You are a fine example of the problem with this country.

I thought he was Indian, but maybe I was wrong.

Born in the USA.

[nontabury]

It appears that a lot of Posters here (Farang) haven't got the slightest clue about this subject.

Let me assure you that what this silly girl is doing, from a 'safe distance' from Thailand, is wreaking havoc on her family's lives. Not only that, but the lives of her family members are in real danger.

Now; one can agree or disagree with the laws of Thailand; that's anyone's prerogative; however, a little respect for the Thai culture and it's inherent reverence for the Royal Family IS a very solid part of that culture.

People should not castigate the family-members, who are living in Thailand, - because THEY did not cause this drama: their silly daughter, living in the UK did.

Do not be too surprised to open the paper one morning soon, to learn that this silly daughter has met with a terrible and fatal incident . . . . . Thai's in the UK are also fierce supporters & admirers of our King - and may just take the law into their own hands, to the detriment of this girl's health.

'Thais in the UK' will no doubt appreciate they live in a FREE country where FREE speech is encouraged and they will appreciate that the British Royal Family are not protected but such a law and are still LOVED and SECURE

'if' they do as you suggest they will experience the full force of the British Law which will not be bought

Good Luck to this young lady for using her RIGHTS as a human being - that of free speech - we may not agree with her but we should defend her RIGHT to say what she thinks but that's a democracy that many Thais have not had the privilege of experiencing

If the monachy in any country is so good,it will stand up for itself.If not good over a period of time the people will bring it down.These people know the privilidges they have and wont be letting that go in a hurry.As far as the British royals are concerned i think latest polls show majority want them out,but not in a hurry,waiting for Lizzy to drop.Meanwhile the grandson and family tour Aust.at the taxpayers expense,what a life.Do these people ever dip into their own pocket?

RUBBISH, where were these latest opinion polls carried out, and when were they carried out, pleaser provide proof.

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[louse1953]

"According to Mr. Surapong, Ms. Chatvadee has not been in contact with her parents for some time."

I'm not surprised, if I had parents like them I wouldn't like ever to see them.

Dont be so harsh. They could be protecting themselves against vigilantes, after all the aged couple have to live the rest of their lives in thailand.

It just shows the mentality of the people around them,"kicking dogs".

[soalbundy]

i really hope one day she will face a fair trial and prison sentence if proven guilty. treason can't be tolerated in any culture!

why ? feeling bored ? 'Treason can't be tolerated in any culture' where did you 'grow up' N. Korea ?

[louse1953]

Maybe there is a method to this madness. Maybe she will be out of the UK soon, as her visa is up and it didn't work out with Trevor. So she has engineered a situation whereby she will be arrested on a antiquated draconian law on arrival, thereby validating her asylum application.

Does this sound plausible? Is she as smart as me?

Alot smarter,i'd say.If you read correctly it said she is a British citizen.

[wandasloan]

You are the one in a parrallel universe.This has nothing to do with the colour of ones shirt,it is defending freedom of speech?

I take it you are not one of the hypocrites "defending freedom of speech" in this thread while calling for... nay, demanding in other threads the renewed imprisonment of red shirts like Jatuporn and Nattawut, for speaking. Well good on you then.

But you seem to think this post is about you. Have a read of ThaiVisa when you get the chance, and see them by the scores or probably hundreds. You and I are not among them but they exist anyway, and prominent first of all by their distressing numbers. They believe strongly that only some people should enjoy freedom and make no bones about their hypocrisy and double standards about it - and their own inerrant ability to tell us which are qualified to be granted freedom of speech and freedom-period, and which denied.

There's something a little off with the idea that a person can be punished for something they did outside of a country where that action is prohibited. I think the law is outdated and needs to be scrapped, but if a person said something about the monarchy while outside of Thailand in a country that allows free speech, I don't believe they can be charged with anything.

Your belief is completely wrong.

In 2011, US citizen Joe Gordon was arrested, tried and convicted of lese majeste and imprisoned for translating part of a book while in the USA.

In 2009, Australian writer Harry Nicolaides was arrested, tried and convicted by Thai courts and imprisoned on the charge of lese majeste for the content of a paragraph in a book he wrote and sold in Australia.

And so on.

When anyone comes to Thailand, Thai law rules, 100%. Your beliefs are not considered by any part of the Thai security, legal and justice systems.

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Edited April 19, 2014 by wandasloan

[BadBouy]

Most Thailand expats seem to be disenfranchised with their usually more civilised home nations. Many don't have a good word to say about home. Cheap young pussy really does appear to impair memory function and the faculty of fair critical comparison.

Well I'm certainly not here for any of that. So by your argument that means my critical thinking is unaffected.

And it isn't really about being disenfranchised, it is about weighing up and assessing the pros and cons of all nations. In England my various flats or houses were burgled over a dozen times, I was repeatedly mugged in the street (and I'm a disabled lady), I saw a lot of behaviour that was not the "civilisation" you speak of. In Bangkok I have been neither burgled nor mugged in many years visiting here.

On-topic though, I have great respect for the UK, and the Queen of England. I am not a critic of her, she has served her country every day, and if you read about her life you will understand that especially in her youth, the role she was born into was a very demanding and exhausting one.

I have, if anything, greater admiration and respect for the most illustrious and magnificent HMTK in my adopted nation. I always judge a person by their actions, and I have the utmost respect for this person because of those actions. I can not compare those many benevolent and unifying actions, to the actions of a hairdresser who seeks to be an internet sensation by insulting people in a remote and verminous manner.

[hawthorne]

I have no Iidea what this lady said but I support her right to say it. Shame on her parents for living in a world of backward thought and allowing others to make them feel ashamed for thoughts not of their own. Maybe they can not openly support their child's right of Free speech but condemning their own daughter is a parents betrayal of love.

[louse1953]

She's a British citizen residing in London.

She can say what she wishes.

Not according to Thai law. In fact under Thai law, insulting any Royal globally can be punished.

she can give up her Thai passport for the uk one an problem solved. As for her parents they should be put in prison

What exactly is the crime committed by the parents that they should be put in prison?

Lagging in your own kids for face is a crime against humanity.

[newatthis]

I have no Iidea what this lady said but I support her right to say it. Shame on her parents for living in a world of backward thought and allowing others to make them feel ashamed for thoughts not of their own. Maybe they can not openly support their child's right of Free speech but condemning their own daughter is a parents betrayal of love.

Agree. Unfortunately, saving face is easier than growing a backbone. Face before family, hey? And as for those Thai's who antagonized the parents, why didn't they lodge a complaint instead of harrassing the elderly parents? No backbone again!

Edited April 19, 2014 by newatthis

[farang000999]

So she was willing to sacrifice being able to come to Thailand and eat all the delicious foods just so she could speak her mind about the monarchy? Does not seem like a fair trade off.

I would value freedom of speech over food any day. Besides, Thai food is everywhere these days.

What did she gain from speaking freely and what did she lose?

Does not seem worth it.

[stickylies]

So she was willing to sacrifice being able to come to Thailand and eat all the delicious foods just so she could speak her mind about the monarchy? Does not seem like a fair trade off.

I would value freedom of speech over food any day. Besides, Thai food is everywhere these days.

What did she gain from speaking freely and what did she lose?

Does not seem worth it.

she gets attention, on FB, in the press, on TV, etc... that's all these ego-masturbators need. 3 minutes of www fame.

[thaiguzzi]

Ironic. Don't like the monarchy, but hiding in UK which is run by a Queen. Ironic. LM law originated in the UK isn't it?

The UK isn't run by The Queen. What persona are you today? Thai, Indian, Scottish or Troll?

+1. Also i believe we now have no LM laws. Got rid of them a few decades ago.

[HeavyDrinker]

You are the one in a parrallel universe.This has nothing to do with the colour of ones shirt,it is defending freedom of speech?

I take it you are not one of the hypocrites "defending freedom of speech" in this thread while calling for... nay, demanding in other threads the renewed imprisonment of red shirts like Jatuporn and Nattawut, for speaking. Well good on you then.

But you seem to think this post is about you. Have a read of ThaiVisa when you get the chance, and see them by the scores or probably hundreds. You and I are not among them but they exist anyway, and prominent first of all by their distressing numbers. They believe strongly that only some people should enjoy freedom and make no bones about their hypocrisy and double standards about it - and their own inerrant ability to tell us which are qualified to be granted freedom of speech and freedom-period, and which denied.

There's something a little off with the idea that a person can be punished for something they did outside of a country where that action is prohibited. I think the law is outdated and needs to be scrapped, but if a person said something about the monarchy while outside of Thailand in a country that allows free speech, I don't believe they can be charged with anything.

Your belief is completely wrong.

In 2011, US citizen Joe Gordon was arrested, tried and convicted of lese majeste and imprisoned for translating part of a book while in the USA.

In 2009, Australian writer Harry Nicolaides was arrested, tried and convicted by Thai courts and imprisoned on the charge of lese majeste for the content of a paragraph in a book he wrote and sold in Australia.

And so on.

When anyone comes to Thailand, Thai law rules, 100%. Your beliefs are not considered by any part of the Thai security, legal and justice systems.

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As an outsider, what do you make of the Planet Earth?

Thanks for my daily dose of "Nattawuts" and "Jatuporns" (if you could be so kind as to bung in a few "Plodsaprops" or "Sutheps" that would be magnificent) from the bar stool Thai Visa political debating society. I enjoy it of a Saturday Morning.

You seem to be in some little Red Shirt bubble of your own here, utterly oblivious to the entire point of the thread as a whole being made here insofar as there is zip any Thai legal process can do against this lass while she remains on British soil.

Your examples of foreigners arrested on these charges are not relevant as they were all arrested and charged on Thai soil so they do absolutely nothing to re-enforce your agenda addled posts.

[HeavyDrinker]

So she was willing to sacrifice being able to come to Thailand and eat all the delicious foods just so she could speak her mind about the monarchy? Does not seem like a fair trade off.

There's delicious food aplenty in the UK. I'm sure she'll enjoy it immensely while enjoying her civil freedoms and liberties while not being bound to a restrictive archaic social system and structure.

[mrtoad]

To be honest people should have the right to have a view point in something. There is nothing wrong with being pro or anti whatever, we see it here frequently when discussing other topics. However, hate speech such as incitement to kill, loot, burn, riot, rape, plunder etc has no place in any society and should be dealt with through legal means. However the LM law virtually stops anyone expressing a viewpoint that may be deemed critical or negative towards the monarchy, and that is wholly different. I certainly do not support her political views, but she has a right to have them.

This lady is in the UK where she will not be charged or arrested for her views, however if she returns to Thailand she will of course be charged and imprisoned. I really didn't understand the references to Joe Gordon and Harry Nicholadis as they were only arrested once they set foot in Thailand. There is a list on the web with numerous names of people who are facing this charge, a number including Boppe Amsterdam are not currently in the country.

[wandasloan]

This lady is in the UK where she will not be charged or arrested for her views, however if she returns to Thailand she will of course be charged and imprisoned. I really didn't understand the references to Joe Gordon and Harry Nicholadis as they were only arrested once they set foot in Thailand.

Reading comprehension and context. They are not just a theory, but a good idea.

A poster wrote, quote:

if a person said something about the monarchy while outside of Thailand in a country that allows free speech, I don't believe they can be charged with anything.

unquote

The poster is wrong. He is not wrong in theory, he is not wrong in his "belief". He is completely wrong. A person who says something about the monarchy outside of Thailand can be charged. No... sorry, not "can be" ... has been charged. Numerous times. Their physical place, their nationality... none of this has anything to do with charges. I picked two such people, reasonably well known, who were charged long before they entered this country. There are MANY other cases and Ms Rose will be another for certain.

Then, when said person(s) set foot in Thailand, they were arrested, and away they go.

In Nicolaides' case, for example (repeat "for example"), the charges were held in abeyance for many years, nine as I remember, just in case he returned to Thailand. Which he did. He even knew about the (old) charges but thought (if I may use the term loosely) they had been forgotten, forgiven or somesuch. He was charged for, in the words of the mistaken poster, "saying something about the monarchy while outside of Thailand in a country" where this is not an offence, YEARS before his detention, arrest and incarceration. Actually, really, charged, while outside Thailand.

The idea that Rose will not be charged is a fantasy. She will be. I'd be surprised if she hasn't already been charged but I don't care enough to find out since it is absolutely certain she will be.

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[Rorri]

Suriya4, on 18 Apr 2014 - 13:17, said:

If found guilty for disrespect, I hope she go to jail to the limit of the punishment. 5 years for every disrespect. That will be good for her. Thailand do not have such disrespectful people. We all love the king more than our parents. Don't believe me, just ask anything Thai you know.

Bullshit, the problem is Thais are to scared to speak their minds, due to repressive laws. Many Thais, in private, say things they would never say in public or even to their own family and friends, Suriya, you live in your own dream world...dream on while Thailand remains in the dark ages.

[mrtoad]

This lady is in the UK where she will not be charged or arrested for her views, however if she returns to Thailand she will of course be charged and imprisoned. I really didn't understand the references to Joe Gordon and Harry Nicholadis as they were only arrested once they set foot in Thailand.

Reading comprehension and context. They are not just a theory, but a good idea.

A poster wrote, quote:

if a person said something about the monarchy while outside of Thailand in a country that allows free speech, I don't believe they can be charged with anything.

unquote

The poster is wrong. He is not wrong in theory, he is not wrong in his "belief". He is completely wrong. A person who says something about the monarchy outside of Thailand can be charged. No... sorry, not "can be" ... has been charged. Numerous times. Their physical place, their nationality... none of this has anything to do with charges. I picked two such people, reasonably well known, who were charged long before they entered this country. There are MANY other cases and Ms Rose will be another for certain.

Then, when said person(s) set foot in Thailand, they were arrested, and away they go.

In Nicolaides' case, for example (repeat "for example"), the charges were held in abeyance for many years, nine as I remember, just in case he returned to Thailand. Which he did. He even knew about the (old) charges but thought (if I may use the term loosely) they had been forgotten, forgiven or somesuch. He was charged for, in the words of the mistaken poster, "saying something about the monarchy while outside of Thailand in a country" where this is not an offence, YEARS before his detention, arrest and incarceration. Actually, really, charged, while outside Thailand.

The idea that Rose will not be charged is a fantasy. She will be. I'd be surprised if she hasn't already been charged but I don't care enough to find out since it is absolutely certain she will be.

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Sorry, you clearly are not reading what was written.

Of course she is going to be charged.

[bigbamboo]

Most Thailand expats seem to be disenfranchised with their usually more civilised home nations. Many don't have a good word to say about home. Cheap young pussy really does appear to impair memory function and the faculty of fair critical comparison.

Well I'm certainly not here for any of that. So by your argument that means my critical thinking is unaffected.

And it isn't really about being disenfranchised, it is about weighing up and assessing the pros and cons of all nations. In England my various flats or houses were burgled over a dozen times, I was repeatedly mugged in the street (and I'm a disabled lady), I saw a lot of behaviour that was not the "civilisation" you speak of. In Bangkok I have been neither burgled nor mugged in many years visiting here.

On-topic though, I have great respect for the UK, and the Queen of England. I am not a critic of her, she has served her country every day, and if you read about her life you will understand that especially in her youth, the role she was born into was a very demanding and exhausting one.

I have, if anything, greater admiration and respect for the most illustrious and magnificent HMTK in my adopted nation. I always judge a person by their actions, and I have the utmost respect for this person because of those actions. I can not compare those many benevolent and unifying actions, to the actions of a hairdresser who seeks to be an internet sensation by insulting people in a remote and verminous manner.

Agree with your first part, the British royal family is open to investigation and criticism, some of it unwarranted, but at least the people know what they are in support of. Here in Thailand they are completely unaware of the actions of the royal family and what they represent.The King himself criticised this law a few years ago, stating that he should be open to critism.

Rulers being treated like dieties is never a good idea.

[EyesWideOpen]

Most Thailand expats seem to be disenfranchised with their usually more civilised home nations. Many don't have a good word to say about home. Cheap young pussy really does appear to impair memory function and the faculty of fair critical comparison.

Well I'm certainly not here for any of that. So by your argument that means my critical thinking is unaffected.

And it isn't really about being disenfranchised, it is about weighing up and assessing the pros and cons of all nations. In England my various flats or houses were burgled over a dozen times, I was repeatedly mugged in the street (and I'm a disabled lady), I saw a lot of behaviour that was not the "civilisation" you speak of. In Bangkok I have been neither burgled nor mugged in many years visiting here.

On-topic though, I have great respect for the UK, and the Queen of England. I am not a critic of her, she has served her country every day, and if you read about her life you will understand that especially in her youth, the role she was born into was a very demanding and exhausting one.

I have, if anything, greater admiration and respect for the most illustrious and magnificent HMTK in my adopted nation. I always judge a person by their actions, and I have the utmost respect for this person because of those actions. I can not compare those many benevolent and unifying actions, to the actions of a hairdresser who seeks to be an internet sensation by insulting people in a remote and verminous manner.

Agree with your first part, the British royal family is open to investigation and criticism, some of it unwarranted, but at least the people know what they are in support of. Here in Thailand they are completely unaware of the actions of the royal family and what they represent.The King himself criticised this law a few years ago, stating that he should be open to critism.

Rulers being treated like dieties is never a good idea.

Correct. It did not work out well for the Japanese with Hirohito ......

There is a fine line between loyalty and blind obedience.

[wandasloan]

Sorry, you clearly are not reading what was written.

Of course she is going to be charged.

You are not reading what I wrote. I didn't say she WILL BE charged or she "is going to be" charged. I wrote she will be arrested and so on IF she returns to Thailand. But being charged has nothing to do with that.

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