Popular Post webfact Posted June 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2014 EDITORIALGrab this chance to reform educationThe NationIf it wants to leave Thailand in better shape, the junta must focus on our failing school systemBANGKOK: -- Cancelling the one-tablet-per-child scheme was a positive move by the junta, but it was just a tiny step if the ultimate goal is to overhaul the education system. Like other populist schemes, the free-tablet policy is merely a symptom of deeper problems that have been crippling the country for years. For genuine education reform, we need bolder efforts that uproot the whole system.The Bt4-billion budget earmarked for the tablets is now poised to go to new education projects considered more beneficial to students. But this bonus will be short-lived if the military government falls into the same trap as previous administrators. The public is hoping to see a change towards long-term education development. They need a concrete solution that lasts decades rather than a quick fix that only lead to more problems in the future.There has never been a better chance to revolutionise education. Sweeping changes are made much more easily under authoritarian rule. The past decades have seen a game of musical chairs played at the helm of the Education Ministry. Education has been held hostage to political expediency, with short-term thinking and regular policy upheavals leaving students the victims of substandard schooling.Having seized power and vowed to facilitate political reform, the junta must address education, a foundation stone for the country. Trying to move forward without education reform would be like counting "two" before "one". Without the bedrock of educated citizens, much-needed political and economic reform will collapse.The percentage of public funds that Thailand spends on education is said to be among the highest in the world, but we have little to show for it. The lack of correlation between the money spent and the results is a damning illustration of the country's direction-less development. Drastic measures are needed to get the education system back on track. There are flaws at every level, with the crisis centring on the longstanding problem of inadequate quality and quantity of teachers.Much-praised reforms launched in the 1960s by then-education minister ML Pin Malakul emphasised teacher training. Had Thailand followed that path, our school system would be in much better shape. Instead we are left with, among other things, a yawning gap in the quality of teaching that means students in rural areas continue to lose out.While training is one aspect we most focus on, teachers' income is also crucial. Underpaid for decades, many of those teaching in our schools have fallen into serious debt. We need to learn from the example of developed countries, where the teaching profession offers good pay and thus draws quality people to the education sector.Whoever is chosen to head the Education Ministry under the interim government should grab the chance to drastically change the curriculum. Thai education needs changes that address the new conditions of competition and integration we will face as part of the Asean Economic Community to be inaugurated next year. Successive elected governments have failed to improve education because their main focus was on getting re-elected or benefiting the politicians.The junta can learn plenty from studying the accumulated mistakes of its predecessors, paving the way for an interim government that places education reform at the top of the national agenda. It should grasp this chance to scrap short-term policies aimed at attracting votes or benefiting vested interests. Those in government have preached child-centred education development for decades; now is the time to back those words with actions. There are many downsides to authoritarian government, but one boon is the opportunity to reshape the country's future with positive changes in education.-- The Nation 2014-06-18 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Its one thing to be nationalistically proud when you conquered, beat, won, achieved or obtained something of world renown. Beyond that, its just paper and claps. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Oh No, not another repetitive article on education reform. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadmo63 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Oh No, not another repetitive article on education reform. Do you think it needs to be repeated until something concrete is done about it? The good General seems pretty switched on so hopefully he will at least start to tackle this momentous problem that prevents young Thai minds from reaching their potential and holds the whole nation back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hanuman2543 Posted June 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) It is not in the interest of the people who control this country that the education system change. That includes the military. They need people who are doing what they are told and not people who have the ability to think for themselves. That would endanger the status quo. Sent from my i-mobile IQ XA using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Edited June 18, 2014 by hanuman2543 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurnell Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I see military spending is up. No reforms there. Perhaps the military could show the way by diverting some of that money into education. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Oh No, not another repetitive article on education reform. Do you think it needs to be repeated until something concrete is done about it? The good General seems pretty switched on so hopefully he will at least start to tackle this momentous problem that prevents young Thai minds from reaching their potential and holds the whole nation back. Education reform has been spoken about since Christ was a Lance Corporal and nothing concrete ever happens. The good general can try to do something about it but will hit many roadblocks especially in school directors and teachers who will not / cannot change. Given all the NCPO has taken on and is being encouraged to take on the country better get used to military rule for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shadmo63 Posted June 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2014 I remember speculation he wouldn't step in as he was so close to retirement. I never ever thought I'd approve of a military government but I agree with the article that now is an opportunity to get some good things done before putting the children back in charge. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post siampolee Posted June 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) The biggest problems facing the education system here are an inbred fear of education by those in society who desire a docile uneducated unquestioning work force . Secondly an education system that is based upon '' Indoctrination as apposed to Education.'' Edited June 18, 2014 by siampolee 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doremifasol Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 "Those in government have preached child-centered education development for decades; now is the time to back those words with actions". I would REALLY love to see that happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampolee Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) doremifasol post # 10 "Those in government have preached child-centered education development for decades; now is the time to back those words with actions". I would REALLY love to see that happen "Those in government have preached child-centered education development for decades; It was called ''Parliament'' and hardly a qualified success full of squabbling kids all of the time. Edited June 18, 2014 by siampolee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Emptyset Posted June 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2014 I remember speculation he wouldn't step in as he was so close to retirement. I never ever thought I'd approve of a military government but I agree with the article that now is an opportunity to get some good things done before putting the children back in charge. Well, they're already reforming the education system to include more nationalistic content, more emphasis on respecting your elders & betters and that kind of thing: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/military-junta-revise-school-curricula-stimulate-greater-patriotism-love-establishment/# And these new text books will be produced within a month or two, apparently, so certainly the military is getting things done quickly. Also going to be more emphasis on songs: Oh Wong-Arthichart @oh_kub · Jun 15 min. of edu. prepare to give 35 nationalistic propaganda songs to play in every school during morning and lunch break. The lack of national pride these kids today have is shocking. They need to be taught how they defeated the evil Burmese all those years ago and were never colonized. That's what education should be all about. And I'm as confident as you are the good general is taking brave steps in the right direction. And let's not forget the valiant effort the Thai military made in resisting the Japanese. Those battles should never be forgotten. Thai kids should know their forefathers died protecting their country. Victory Monument stands as testament to their brave sacrifice. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post noitom Posted June 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2014 1. Law and order enforcement for every Thai regardless of status, wealth, title. 2. Corruption, bribery and graft culture broken use stings and bust them in public, hold rials, jail them if guilty. 3. Education - sweeping change that starts the process of individual thinking and reason, actual problem solving, and communication. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 If I see this again I am leaving Thailand ,(tomorrow) as this crops up about once a month , they have no intention of improving education and come to think of it, not much else will change either ,its Thailand ,therein lies the difference and the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 "Grab" would be the typical way that a Thai thinks. No strategy, no thought, no consideration, no conscience. Just grabbing. As in to "grab." It's part of Thainess. They are taught to grab, get and take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomyummer Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I see military spending is up. No reforms there. Perhaps the military could show the way by diverting some of that money into education. Or, where are the lottery proceeds? Surely this lottery crazy culture has the overflowing coffers to give a boost to education itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 The lottery is voluntary tax for the poor. Is there an accounting for this money anywhere in Thailand? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upena Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 What most don't understand is that the Thai Government, regardless of who is in power, does not want an educated population. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rethaier Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Oh No, not another repetitive article on education reform. Do you think it needs to be repeated until something concrete is done about it? The good General seems pretty switched on so hopefully he will at least start to tackle this momentous problem that prevents young Thai minds from reaching their potential and holds the whole nation back. It might be good to start by allowing student to question the all knowing teacher. My experience teaches me that in thai schools there are 2 rules. Rule 1. The teacher is always right. (Don't question the reason something is the way it is, just accept what I tell you) Rule 2. If the teacher is ever wrong, refer to rule 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I see military spending is up. No reforms there. Perhaps the military could show the way by diverting some of that money into education. Wonder if they can claw some of the CAPO budget spend back? There was a very large amount "spent" that seemed unaccounted for? In some countries laws exist so politicians / civil servants can be help responsible for misspending as well as embezzlement. Wonder how Thai law is on this? All the money recovered could be used on education improvements. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I remember speculation he wouldn't step in as he was so close to retirement. I never ever thought I'd approve of a military government but I agree with the article that now is an opportunity to get some good things done before putting the children back in charge. Well, they're already reforming the education system to include more nationalistic content, more emphasis on respecting your elders & betters and that kind of thing: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/military-junta-revise-school-curricula-stimulate-greater-patriotism-love-establishment/# And these new text books will be produced within a month or two, apparently, so certainly the military is getting things done quickly. Also going to be more emphasis on songs: Oh Wong-Arthichart @oh_kub · Jun 15 min. of edu. prepare to give 35 nationalistic propaganda songs to play in every school during morning and lunch break. The lack of national pride these kids today have is shocking. They need to be taught how they defeated the evil Burmese all those years ago and were never colonized. That's what education should be all about. And I'm as confident as you are the good general is taking brave steps in the right direction. And let's not forget the valiant effort the Thai military made in resisting the Japanese. Those battles should never be forgotten. Thai kids should know their forefathers died protecting their country. Victory Monument stands as testament to their brave sacrifice. I agree that education and teaching needs reform - but that's true in very many other countries. Thais seem particularly to lack knowledge about geography, history, and are not taught critical reasoning and dialogue. They seem to be taught to accept "facts" as presented rather than question, challenge and form their own ideas. Rote learning (which does have some uses), not wanting to loose face and show you don't know something by asking, fear of being wrong or putting someone else on the spot all contribute to this "uniqueness". That's a very broad brush generalization. My wife has a BA and MEd. Outside of Thailand she is like any other person with similar academic and empirical background. Once back in Thailand, she reverts to "Thainess"; has to conform. I noticed the same thing in several other countries. When Thais group, they revert back to Thainess. Going to take some changing. Thailand, like Japan, has been very negligent, through choice, about history surrounding WW2. But, many Thais did fight against the Japs, as resistance with allied hep, and many also perished as slave labor on projects like the death railway. Not all Thais cooperated with the Japanese. As usual, the powerful ones who did, would prefer that not to be studied, taught or remembered. Had Britain and France not been over rules by the USA and real war criminal trials been held in S E Asia and Japan things may have been different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seastallion Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Oh No, not another repetitive article on education reform. Have you noticed a pattern, that every time a subject on TVF/Thai news has many good opinions and a general consensus of the subject, an editorial from the nation follows, espousing much of what our TVF members have been saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulzed Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 It is sad and a shame that the education system in Thailand is this way, most Thais are not slow learners or stupid, but I can say for certain that whether deliberate or not the education system and the people that are providing the education are training young minds to be just that. How do you repair a nationwide culture of this, how do you tell the all revered AJARN, that what you are doing is wrong and has never been correct? And you now have to change what you have been doing for years and teach you pupils to be individuals, interact with the AJARN, question and debate what is being taught ?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seastallion Posted June 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Oh No, not another repetitive article on education reform. Do you think it needs to be repeated until something concrete is done about it? The good General seems pretty switched on so hopefully he will at least start to tackle this momentous problem that prevents young Thai minds from reaching their potential and holds the whole nation back. It might be good to start by allowing student to question the all knowing teacher. My experience teaches me that in thai schools there are 2 rules. Rule 1. The teacher is always right. (Don't question the reason something is the way it is, just accept what I tell you) Rule 2. If the teacher is ever wrong, refer to rule 1. I'm sure that's true and agree that it is a hindrance to good learning. However, in the private schools it's worse; Rules for Teachers 1. The student is the customer, he is always right. 2. The student is the customer. Make him happy, don't bore him with lessons. 3. The student is the customer. He paid for an education. To prove to the world that he received an education, he needs a certificate. Pass him and give him his certificate. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Oh No, not another repetitive article on education reform. Do you think it needs to be repeated until something concrete is done about it? The good General seems pretty switched on so hopefully he will at least start to tackle this momentous problem that prevents young Thai minds from reaching their potential and holds the whole nation back. It might be good to start by allowing student to question the all knowing teacher. My experience teaches me that in thai schools there are 2 rules. Rule 1. The teacher is always right. (Don't question the reason something is the way it is, just accept what I tell you) Rule 2. If the teacher is ever wrong, refer to rule 1. I'm sure that's true and agree that it is a hindrance to good learning. However, in the private schools it's worse; Rules for Teachers 1. The student is the customer, he is always right. 2. The student is the customer. Make him happy, don't bore him with lessons. 3. The student is the customer. He paid for an education. To prove to the world that he received an education, he needs a certificate. Pass him and give him his certificate. The last school I worked at before giving up on teaching, because of the headaches from banging my head against the wal, l was a technical one in a rural area. All the students were on a 100% govt grant so if they walked out for any reason the grant went with them. The school's discipline was a joy to behold as it was so crazy. Lateness, males with long hair and anything outside the school that might damage the ' image ' was jumped all over and often dealt withby corporal punishment but in class etc. the students could more or less do what they wanted and did. I threatened to throw a couple of boys out of an exam for continually talking and was later ' advised ' that was not the thing to do. I don't know how much the students picked up on the vibes that the school lived in fear of them going elsewhere and costing the owners govt money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> I remember speculation he wouldn't step in as he was so close to retirement. I never ever thought I'd approve of a military government but I agree with the article that now is an opportunity to get some good things done before putting the children back in charge. Well, they're already reforming the education system to include more nationalistic content, more emphasis on respecting your elders & betters and that kind of thing: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/military-junta-revise-school-curricula-stimulate-greater-patriotism-love-establishment/#And these new text books will be produced within a month or two, apparently, so certainly the military is getting things done quickly. Also going to be more emphasis on songs:Oh Wong-Arthichart @oh_kub · Jun 15 min. of edu. prepare to give 35 nationalistic propaganda songs to play in every school during morning and lunch break.The lack of national pride these kids today have is shocking. They need to be taught how they defeated the evil Burmese all those years ago and were never colonized. That's what education should be all about. And I'm as confident as you are the good general is taking brave steps in the right direction. And let's not forget the valiant effort the Thai military made in resisting the Japanese. Those battles should never be forgotten. Thai kids should know their forefathers died protecting their country. Victory Monument stands as testament to their brave sacrifice. I agree that education and teaching needs reform - but that's true in very many other countries. Thais seem particularly to lack knowledge about geography, history, and are not taught critical reasoning and dialogue. They seem to be taught to accept "facts" as presented rather than question, challenge and form their own ideas. Rote learning (which does have some uses), not wanting to loose face and show you don't know something by asking, fear of being wrong or putting someone else on the spot all contribute to this "uniqueness". That's a very broad brush generalization. My wife has a BA and MEd. Outside of Thailand she is like any other person with similar academic and empirical background. Once back in Thailand, she reverts to "Thainess"; has to conform. I noticed the same thing in several other countries. When Thais group, they revert back to Thainess. Going to take some changing. Thailand, like Japan, has been very negligent, through choice, about history surrounding WW2. But, many Thais did fight against the Japs, as resistance with allied hep, and many also perished as slave labor on projects like the death railway. Not all Thais cooperated with the Japanese. As usual, the powerful ones who did, would prefer that not to be studied, taught or remembered. Had Britain and France not been over rules by the USA and real war criminal trials been held in S E Asia and Japan things may have been different. Correct! As in Unit 731 for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadmo63 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 It is sad and a shame that the education system in Thailand is this way, most Thais are not slow learners or stupid, but I can say for certain that whether deliberate or not the education system and the people that are providing the education are training young minds to be just that. How do you repair a nationwide culture of this, how do you tell the all revered AJARN, that what you are doing is wrong and has never been correct? And you now have to change what you have been doing for years and teach you pupils to be individuals, interact with the AJARN, question and debate what is being taught ?? The only place to start is with teacher training, but it will take a generation. There's a move in western education from teacher centered to student centered philosophy, but that will take a generation to achieve. The old strict rigid disciplinarian teacher is considered out of touch nowadays; students have been proven to learn better in supportive nurturing flexible environments. Surely there are enough foreign educated Thai's who could influence the system. Many degree and higher qualified Thai's seem to lack any intellectual curiosity or critical thinking skills. What an absolute shame if one of the earlier links is correct and the NCPO's only plans for education are introducing patriotic songs and greater nationalism in the curriculum - absolutely no research performed or time and effort put into a plan for long term improvements - just further brainwashing brain numbing garbage propaganda. For a start decisions like that would take months and years in the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useronthenet Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Perhaps modeling an education system that meets the 21st century would be a better solution. Since the curriculum and the method to which it is taught is unquestionably inadequate. They could partly adopt a policy based on neighbouring countries like Singapore which have proven record of consistency, and high standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Education will remain in the "dark ages" where its supposed to be. Anyway,who wants a nation of literate, educated farmers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aripengu Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I think the education should focus on patriotism, highlight the benefits of feudalism and military rule, it should teach the children to obey orders from superior people and not to think independently. Like that Thailand would be a happy and proud nation who looks down on foreigners of all kinds. In universities rich students should get a degree even if they aren't qualified so that they can rule the country and build a competitive economy. I think unelected governements are the most qualified to undertake reforms that will affect the country for decades to come, change the constitution, the electoral system, put some neutral friends in the judiciary, so that future elected governements have not much power even if they win the elections. This could be a long lasting recipee for peace, justice harmony and happiness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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