Body found in Jerusalem after Palestinian youth forced into vehicle

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Body found in Jerusalem after Palestinian youth forced into vehicle
JERUSALEM

(Reuters) - Israeli police found the body of a teenager in the Jerusalem area on Wednesday and were investigating a possible connection to the reported kidnapping of a Palestinian youth in East Jerusalem earlier the same morning, a police spokesman said.

The incident occurred the day after Israel buried three teenagers who had been kidnapped near a Jewish settlement on June 12 and whose bodies were found in the West Bank on Monday.

Palestinian residents told a Reuters photographer that they saw a teenager forced into a vehicle outside a supermarket in the Shoafat section of Jerusalem on Wednesday.

Full story: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/02/us-israel-palestinians-idUSKBN0F70AD20140702

-- REUTERS 2014-07-02

[Morch]

That's how the eye for an eye mentality works....

Following the funerals of the three Israelis kidnapped there were violent demonstrations in Jerusalem,

with right wing and religious protestors clashing with police and attempting to attack Arabs in the vicinity.

Extreme rightists attack Palestinians in Jerusalem as teens laid to rest

Several hundred right-wing extremists in Jerusalem started demonstrating, some of them attacking Arab passers-by, as the families of the three murdered teenagers were burying their sons in Modi'in.

Five Palestinians were attacked, and two of them needed medical treatment. The extremists were engaged in violent confrontations with police in the capital's center for several hours.

The police arrested 50 people suspected of involvement in the incidents. Public transportation in the center of town was disrupted for hours, and hundreds of youths ran through the downtown city streets yelling racist slogans and calling for revenge against Arabs.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.602523

Edited July 2, 2014 by Morch

[ClutchClark]

That's how the eye for an eye mentality works....

Following the funerals of the three Israelis kidnapped there were violent demonstrations in Jerusalem,

with right wing and religious protestors clashing with police and attempting to attack Arabs in the vicinity.

Extreme rightists attack Palestinians in Jerusalem as teens laid to rest

Several hundred right-wing extremists in Jerusalem started demonstrating, some of them attacking Arab passers-by, as the families of the three murdered teenagers were burying their sons in Modi'in.

Five Palestinians were attacked, and two of them needed medical treatment. The extremists were engaged in violent confrontations with police in the capital's center for several hours.

The police arrested 50 people suspected of involvement in the incidents. Public transportation in the center of town was disrupted for hours, and hundreds of youths ran through the downtown city streets yelling racist slogans and calling for revenge against Arabs.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.602523

No need to read history books or the Bible to get an understanding of blood-lust & barbaric times before the age of reason...just watch current events in the Mid-East.

[Morch]

That's how the eye for an eye mentality works....

Following the funerals of the three Israelis kidnapped there were violent demonstrations in Jerusalem,

with right wing and religious protestors clashing with police and attempting to attack Arabs in the vicinity.

Extreme rightists attack Palestinians in Jerusalem as teens laid to rest

Several hundred right-wing extremists in Jerusalem started demonstrating, some of them attacking Arab passers-by, as the families of the three murdered teenagers were burying their sons in Modi'in.

Five Palestinians were attacked, and two of them needed medical treatment. The extremists were engaged in violent confrontations with police in the capital's center for several hours.

The police arrested 50 people suspected of involvement in the incidents. Public transportation in the center of town was disrupted for hours, and hundreds of youths ran through the downtown city streets yelling racist slogans and calling for revenge against Arabs.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.602523

No need to read history books or the Bible to get an understanding of blood-lust & barbaric times before the age of reason...just watch current events in the Mid-East.

Going slightly OT....similar things all over the world, recently also in LoS.

[losworld]

Israel is no better than those they seek to punish. It is one thing to to criticize another for doing harm and it is quite another to actively seek retribution. And let's not forget occupying a foreign land and building prison type walls to circle its inhabitants.

[96tehtarp]

Here we go again... The sky is the limit how far this might escalate.

RIP to the three innocent girls, and the boy, and the rest that will soon surely follow.

They are at it again.

[snarky66]

They're dropping like flies over there.

[Morch]

Israel is no better than those they seek to punish. It is one thing to to criticize another for doing harm and it is quite another to actively seek retribution. And let's not forget occupying a foreign land and building prison type walls to circle its inhabitants.

Are you seriously suggesting that this is something done by Israeli authorities?

For one thing, details are still unclear, and second - police already on the scene.

The so called wall, is in many parts a fence, and does not encircle the West Bank.

Palestinian access to Israel is limited, yes, but that goes way before the barrier.

The barrier itself does not imprison, so much as keeps Israeli and Palestinians apart.

[abrahamzvi]

I consider ALL acts of terror against innocent civilians as criminal acts. I criticise and sharply condemn the kidnapping and murdering of the three Israeli teenagers. However, shouldn't the Israeli authorities also be criticised and condemned for shooting innocent Palestinian youth? Further, I am wondering if the Israeli PM will condemn in the same sharp form this kidnapping and murder of a teenager, a Palestinian one, as President Abbas did in the case of the Israeli kidnapped teenagers?? Will the world show such indignation???

That's how the eye for an eye mentality works....

Following the funerals of the three Israelis kidnapped there were violent demonstrations in Jerusalem,

with right wing and religious protestors clashing with police and attempting to attack Arabs in the vicinity.

Extreme rightists attack Palestinians in Jerusalem as teens laid to rest

Several hundred right-wing extremists in Jerusalem started demonstrating, some of them attacking Arab passers-by, as the families of the three murdered teenagers were burying their sons in Modi'in.

Five Palestinians were attacked, and two of them needed medical treatment. The extremists were engaged in violent confrontations with police in the capital's center for several hours.

The police arrested 50 people suspected of involvement in the incidents. Public transportation in the center of town was disrupted for hours, and hundreds of youths ran through the downtown city streets yelling racist slogans and calling for revenge against Arabs.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.602523

[abrahamzvi]

Israel is no better than those they seek to punish. It is one thing to to criticize another for doing harm and it is quite another to actively seek retribution. And let's not forget occupying a foreign land and building prison type walls to circle its inhabitants.

Are you seriously suggesting that this is something done by Israeli authorities?

For one thing, details are still unclear, and second - police already on the scene.

The so called wall, is in many parts a fence, and does not encircle the West Bank.

Palestinian access to Israel is limited, yes, but that goes way before the barrier.

The barrier itself does not imprison, so much as keeps Israeli and Palestinians apart.

JES, I do hope that losword means every word. What you are saying is simply incorrect. Even the Israeli PM and other ministers are openly saying they will revenge the death of the three boys, which ALL of us do criticise and sharply condemn. As far as the so called separation wall is concerned, may I refer you to the recent Pope's visit to Israel/Palestine. I really do Not condone any acts of terror, but allow me to say that the way the Israelis treat the Palestinians, they are providing very fertile ground for terrorists!

Edited July 2, 2014 by SeaVisionBurma
fixed messed up quotes

[Morch]

I consider ALL acts of terror against innocent civilians as criminal acts. I criticise and sharply condemn the kidnapping and murdering of the three Israeli teenagers. However, shouldn't the Israeli authorities also be criticised and condemned for shooting innocent Palestinian youth? Further, I am wondering if the Israeli PM will condemn in the same sharp form this kidnapping and murder of a teenager, a Palestinian one, as President Abbas did in the case of the Israeli kidnapped teenagers?? Will the world show such indignation???

That's how the eye for an eye mentality works....

Following the funerals of the three Israelis kidnapped there were violent demonstrations in Jerusalem,

with right wing and religious protestors clashing with police and attempting to attack Arabs in the vicinity.

Extreme rightists attack Palestinians in Jerusalem as teens laid to rest

Several hundred right-wing extremists in Jerusalem started demonstrating, some of them attacking Arab passers-by, as the families of the three murdered teenagers were burying their sons in Modi'in.

Five Palestinians were attacked, and two of them needed medical treatment. The extremists were engaged in violent confrontations with police in the capital's center for several hours.

The police arrested 50 people suspected of involvement in the incidents. Public transportation in the center of town was disrupted for hours, and hundreds of youths ran through the downtown city streets yelling racist slogans and calling for revenge against Arabs.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.602523

Hope that if indeed these are the facts (police investigations ongoing), the Israeli PM will find it in him to denounce this act.

That said, note that while Abbas did condemn the kidnapping of the Israelis, Hamas leadership celebrated and commended

the kidnappers. The PA and the Hamas do not always sing from the same hymnbook.

[Pralaad]

Israel is no better than those they seek to punish. It is one thing to to criticize another for doing harm and it is quite another to actively seek retribution. And let's not forget occupying a foreign land and building prison type walls to circle its inhabitants.

Rubbish , Israel does not name streets after killed terrorists and those responsible for killing Palestinian kid will be arrested and jailed , where is in Palestine those responsible for killing 3 Jewish kids will be rewarded

[Morch]

Israel is no better than those they seek to punish. It is one thing to to criticize another for doing harm and it is quite another to actively seek retribution. And let's not forget occupying a foreign land and building prison type walls to circle its inhabitants.

Rubbish , Israel does not name streets after killed terrorists and those responsible for killing Palestinian kid will be arrested and jailed , where is in Palestine those responsible for killing 3 Jewish kids will be rewarded

Israel parliament had a law passed in 1999 which prohibits monuments (the definition is quite wider) to perpetrators of terrorist

acts. This was brought about after the Hebron massacre of 1994.

That said, there are streets and even a town in Israel named after Avraham Stern, who ,at least in some view, is considered a

terrorist.

In general, though, you are correct. While there are some in Israel that would these action, this is nowhere near the level killers

get embraced by the Palestinian public when their action are deemed as anti-Israeli.

[pumpuy]

That's how the eye for an eye mentality works....

Following the funerals of the three Israelis kidnapped there were violent demonstrations in Jerusalem,

with right wing and religious protestors clashing with police and attempting to attack Arabs in the vicinity.

Extreme rightists attack Palestinians in Jerusalem as teens laid to rest

Several hundred right-wing extremists in Jerusalem started demonstrating, some of them attacking Arab passers-by, as the families of the three murdered teenagers were burying their sons in Modi'in.

Five Palestinians were attacked, and two of them needed medical treatment. The extremists were engaged in violent confrontations with police in the capital's center for several hours.

The police arrested 50 people suspected of involvement in the incidents. Public transportation in the center of town was disrupted for hours, and hundreds of youths ran through the downtown city streets yelling racist slogans and calling for revenge against Arabs.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.602523

[Frank James]

Israel is no better than those they seek to punish. It is one thing to to criticize another for doing harm and it is quite another to actively seek retribution. And let's not forget occupying a foreign land and building prison type walls to circle its inhabitants.

Are you seriously suggesting that this is something done by Israeli authorities?

For one thing, details are still unclear, and second - police already on the scene.

The so called wall, is in many parts a fence, and does not encircle the West Bank.

Palestinian access to Israel is limited, yes, but that goes way before the barrier.

The barrier itself does not imprison, so much as keeps Israeli and Palestinians apart.

This concept is sometimes called APARTHEID.

[pumpuy]

Mahatma Ghandi said that with the "an eye for an eye" mentality the whole world will turn blind ...

[Jingthing]

Mahatma Ghandi said that with the "an eye for an eye" mentality the whole world will turn blind ...

Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.

Golda Meir

A founder of Israel and 4th Prime Minister

[Jingthing]

Israel is no better than those they seek to punish. It is one thing to to criticize another for doing harm and it is quite another to actively seek retribution. And let's not forget occupying a foreign land and building prison type walls to circle its inhabitants.

Are you seriously suggesting that this is something done by Israeli authorities?

For one thing, details are still unclear, and second - police already on the scene.

The so called wall, is in many parts a fence, and does not encircle the West Bank.

Palestinian access to Israel is limited, yes, but that goes way before the barrier.

The barrier itself does not imprison, so much as keeps Israeli and Palestinians apart.

This concept is sometimes called APARTHEID.

The word apartheid is often used as a LOADED WORD to fuel demonization of the legitimate state of Israel.

[Ulysses G.]

This concept is sometimes called APARTHEID.

Not by anyone who knows what Apartheid is. You can't have 20% of the population being Arab with the same rights as everyone else and make a legitimate case for that - not even close.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Asiantravel]

This concept is sometimes called APARTHEID.

Not by anyone who knows what Apartheid is. You can't have 20% of the population being Arab with the same rights as everyone else and make a legitimate case for that - not even close.

I was also quite surprised to learn on a BBC documentary that the arch enemy Iran is also home to a Jewish community of about 10,000

[Morch]

Israel is no better than those they seek to punish. It is one thing to to criticize another for doing harm and it is quite another to actively seek retribution. And let's not forget occupying a foreign land and building prison type walls to circle its inhabitants.

Are you seriously suggesting that this is something done by Israeli authorities?

For one thing, details are still unclear, and second - police already on the scene.

The so called wall, is in many parts a fence, and does not encircle the West Bank.

Palestinian access to Israel is limited, yes, but that goes way before the barrier.

The barrier itself does not imprison, so much as keeps Israeli and Palestinians apart.

JES, I do hope that losword means every word. What you are saying is simply incorrect. Even the Israeli PM and other ministers are openly saying they will revenge the death of the three boys, which ALL of us do criticise and sharply condemn. As far as the so called separation wall is concerned, may I refer you to the recent Pope's visit to Israel/Palestine. I really do Not condone any acts of terror, but allow me to say that the way the Israelis treat the Palestinians, they are providing very fertile ground for terrorists!

Israel's current government is made out of a few parties. Some right wing, some more moderate.

Ministers spew statements according to whatever panders to their voters attitudes. Agree that these

statements advocating revenge and retaliation do nothing to promote calm, and indeed, do harm

in stoking up the fires.

That said, these statements do not necessarily represent an Israeli general sentiment or government

position, nor do they directly call for murder and kidnapping (it was pretty clear the meaning of most

politicians was to do with a possible military strike against the Hamas).

As for the OP, you'll find that statements made differ from what you claim:

The family of slain Israeli teenager Naftali Fraenkel said on Wednesday that it would be "horrifying and despicable" if the Arab youth was killed due to nationalistic motives to avenge the murders of their son and two other teens who were buried Tuesday. "There is no difference between blood and blood, murder is murder," read the statement from the bereaved family, who condemned murder in any form.

In a statement issued by the Jerusalem Municipality Wednesday morning, Mayor Nir Barkat condemned the "horrible and barbaric" murder.

"This is not our way and I am fully confident that our security forces will bring the perpetrators to justice. I call on everyone to exercise restraint," Barkat said.

Construction and Housing Minister Uri Ariel also came out harshly against the killing of the youth. "The murder of a young man and burning his body is a disgusting act. I hope police use all means to find the murderers as quickly as possibly and to bring them to justice," he said.

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Body-of-Arab-youth-found-in-Jerusalem-forest-361231

There were other, similar statements. I do not think a single Israeli minister or politician of note praised this murder.

I agree that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians does not promote the chances for achieving a peaceful resolution

of the conflict. At the same time, it is not exactly as if the Palestinian are angels. Both sides got their baggage of

bad actions, decisions and whatnot. As I said in another topic - bickering over who started it, who's more to blame,

who did what to whom...all very interesting, certainly very "alive" and painful to some people - but ain't going to get

this mess solved.

[Morch]

Israel is no better than those they seek to punish. It is one thing to to criticize another for doing harm and it is quite another to actively seek retribution. And let's not forget occupying a foreign land and building prison type walls to circle its inhabitants.

Are you seriously suggesting that this is something done by Israeli authorities?

For one thing, details are still unclear, and second - police already on the scene.

The so called wall, is in many parts a fence, and does not encircle the West Bank.

Palestinian access to Israel is limited, yes, but that goes way before the barrier.

The barrier itself does not imprison, so much as keeps Israeli and Palestinians apart.

This concept is sometimes called APARTHEID.

Oh dear....

The Palestinians, the Palestinian Authority, Gaza, the Hamas and areas obviously controlled by them are not currently

a part of Israel, and are not likely to be in most reasonable solutions. Most of the Israeli public tacitly accepts this one

way or the other.

The barrier, separation wall (whatever people want to call it) - does not divide between citizens of the same country.

Thinking about it as a temporary border is more accurate.

Apartheid would require Israel to surround about 20% of its own population (Israeli Arabs) and restrict their movement,

curtail their rights etc.

The fact that there are a few million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza living in limbo as far as their political and

national definition is concerned, is to be abhorred. Israel most certainly got a large part in the creation and continuation

of this sorry state of affairs.

Apartheid, however, is probably not the term which describes it.

[Jingthing]

This concept is sometimes called APARTHEID.

Not by anyone who knows what Apartheid is. You can't have 20% of the population being Arab with the same rights as everyone else and make a legitimate case for that - not even close.

I was also quite surprised to learn on a BBC documentary that the arch enemy Iran is also home to a Jewish community of about 10,000

So what? The vast majority of Iranian Jews have long ago LEFT Iran. So left in Iran you're talking about a tiny tiny minority, well under one percent of population, and largely elderly.

There is some good news out of Iran. Their current leader isn't nearly as bat sheit crazy as the last one, blabbing his hateful holocaust denial all the time.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Jingthing

[Ulysses G.]

Apartheid, however, is probably not the term which describes it.

It is DEFINITELY not the way to describe it, if one wants to be honest and accurate.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Pralaad]

This concept is sometimes called APARTHEID.

Not by anyone who knows what Apartheid is. You can't have 20% of the population being Arab with the same rights as everyone else and make a legitimate case for that - not even close.

I was also quite surprised to learn on a BBC documentary that the arch enemy Iran is also home to a Jewish community of about 10,000

Do not believe everything you hear . It is in the same Iran that executed a priest for preaching

[Jingthing]

No it is true there are some Jews left in Iran. There are also some very good Iranian restaurants in Israel. Do the math. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

[Pralaad]

No it is true there are some Jews left in Iran. There are also some very good Iranian restaurants in Israel. Do the math. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

These Jews?

Jews started to celebrate and be part of Muslim rituals. They used to fast during Ramadan alongside Muslims in Gilan Province or attend an event in Sufism commonly in Kurdistan.

[Jingthing]

Don't confuse the RELIGION of Judaism with PEOPLE who are Jews.

[tolsti]

Here we go again... The sky is the limit how far this might escalate.

RIP to the three innocent girls, and the boy, and the rest that will soon surely follow.

They are at it again.

I would have thought and hoped that you might be even semi- literate enough to understand that all of the alleged victims are male?

[Asiantravel]

This concept is sometimes called APARTHEID.

Not by anyone who knows what Apartheid is. You can't have 20% of the population being Arab with the same rights as everyone else and make a legitimate case for that - not even close.

I was also quite surprised to learn on a BBC documentary that the arch enemy Iran is also home to a Jewish community of about 10,000

So what? The vast majority of Iranian Jews have long ago LEFT Iran. So left in Iran you're talking about a tiny tiny minority, well under one percent of population, and largely elderly.

There is some good news out of Iran. Their current leader isn't nearly as bat sheit crazy as the last one, blabbing his hateful holocaust denial all the time.

You ask so what

well I for one find it significant that Iran has a history of treating its Jewish minority fairly well.

The Jewish community in Iran is believed to number around 25,000, after two major waves of emigration following Israel's founding in 1948 and the Islamic Revolution in 1979, which is not an insignificant number.