Ukraine may soon become NATO military partner

[Publicus]

 

 

"The US may grant..."......What about NATO deciding?

High-handed and crass stupidity from across the pond yet again.

 
The United States has the sovereign right to declare the Ukraine a "non-Nato military ally."
 
At the request of Prez Obama the Congress on Saturday, July 19th passed the Russian Aggression Prevention Act (RAPA), which granted Ukraine together with Moldova, and Georgia major non-NATO ally status.
 
The new law authorizes the transfer of military assistance to Ukraine, including Ukraine requested anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons, small arms and the sharing of intelligence between Washington and Ukraine.

The new law further increases US military interaction and joint US-Nato security assistance to Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova, and the post-Yugoslavia republics Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia and Serbia.
 
Washington had already deployed two AWACS command and communications aircraft to the areas along with relocating Air Force fighter units to Poland from Germany..
 
The U.S. has already made new troop deployments and conducted military exercises along Russia’s western borders in Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania. The deployments include a Nato Ukraine-Polish special forces unit and a Combat Team of the U.S.173rd Airborne Brigade from its base in Italy,   ..
 
Military maneuvers  "Saber Guardian" in Bulgaria earlier this year included troops from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Bulgaria, Georgia, Moldova, Poland, Romania, Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine and the United States, as well as representatives from NATO.
 
Georgia will be admitted to Nato, perhaps in September but likely this year. It was the summary and arbitrary Russian declaration of the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia proper that sparked a brief war between it and Georgia that will never happen again without severe direct consequences to Russia.
 
General Martin Dempsey's statements Thursday clearly indicate that the post-USSR Kremlin has to face the realities of a new world order in which Putin's Russia is as contained as is China, predictable German and French squeamishness notwithstanding..
 
 
U.S. General Dempsey: Putin May 'Light a Fire' He Can't Stop in Ukraine
 
The U.S. military’s top commander, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey, warned Thursday night that with the Russian military’s artillery assault on Ukrainian forces this week, President Vladimir Putin “may actually light a fire” he cannot control.
 
Instead of de-escalating the violence, Dempsey said, Putin has “actually taken a decision to escalate.”


 
In an appearance before the Aspen Institute, Dempsey said Putin’s decision to launch artillery strikes across the border into Ukraine has changed the entire equation and relationship between Russia and the United States and Europe.
 
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/u-s-general-dempsey-putin-may-light-fire-he-cant-n164586

why do the ukrainians need anti-aircraft weapons when they are fighting with rebbels who dont have plains.

Or to shoot down another civilian airliner in order to get the west to fight russia.

 

 

 

Those looking for conspiracies will find them, or invent them, or whatever.

[rebeli]

 

 

"The US may grant..."......What about NATO deciding?

High-handed and crass stupidity from across the pond yet again.

 
The United States has the sovereign right to declare the Ukraine a "non-Nato military ally."
 
At the request of Prez Obama the Congress on Saturday, July 19th passed the Russian Aggression Prevention Act (RAPA), which granted Ukraine together with Moldova, and Georgia major non-NATO ally status.
 
The new law authorizes the transfer of military assistance to Ukraine, including Ukraine requested anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons, small arms and the sharing of intelligence between Washington and Ukraine.

The new law further increases US military interaction and joint US-Nato security assistance to Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova, and the post-Yugoslavia republics Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia and Serbia.
 
Washington had already deployed two AWACS command and communications aircraft to the areas along with relocating Air Force fighter units to Poland from Germany..
 
The U.S. has already made new troop deployments and conducted military exercises along Russia’s western borders in Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania. The deployments include a Nato Ukraine-Polish special forces unit and a Combat Team of the U.S.173rd Airborne Brigade from its base in Italy,   ..
 
Military maneuvers  "Saber Guardian" in Bulgaria earlier this year included troops from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Bulgaria, Georgia, Moldova, Poland, Romania, Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine and the United States, as well as representatives from NATO.
 
Georgia will be admitted to Nato, perhaps in September but likely this year. It was the summary and arbitrary Russian declaration of the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia proper that sparked a brief war between it and Georgia that will never happen again without severe direct consequences to Russia.
 
General Martin Dempsey's statements Thursday clearly indicate that the post-USSR Kremlin has to face the realities of a new world order in which Putin's Russia is as contained as is China, predictable German and French squeamishness notwithstanding..
 
 
U.S. General Dempsey: Putin May 'Light a Fire' He Can't Stop in Ukraine
 
The U.S. military’s top commander, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey, warned Thursday night that with the Russian military’s artillery assault on Ukrainian forces this week, President Vladimir Putin “may actually light a fire” he cannot control.
 
Instead of de-escalating the violence, Dempsey said, Putin has “actually taken a decision to escalate.”


 
In an appearance before the Aspen Institute, Dempsey said Putin’s decision to launch artillery strikes across the border into Ukraine has changed the entire equation and relationship between Russia and the United States and Europe.
 
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/u-s-general-dempsey-putin-may-light-fire-he-cant-n164586

why do the ukrainians need anti-aircraft weapons when they are fighting with rebbels who dont have plains.

Or to shoot down another civilian airliner in order to get the west to fight russia.
 

 
 
Those looking for conspiracies will find them, or invent them, or whatever.

and those who start about conspiracies are the ones to blame and look carefull what they are doing.

because they have something to hide and to acuse others of conspiracy

[StasD]

there is civil war in ukraine. everyday civilians are killed by ukrainian army. uno told that 130 000 ukranian refugees are  in russia now. in real maybe about 300 000. this is tragegy in centre of europe. neo-nazi from 'praviy sector' can kill anyone in ukraine without any problem. i do not know how it would connect with nato 

[Publicus]

 

"The US may grant..."......What about NATO deciding?

High-handed and crass stupidity from across the pond yet again.

NATO prompted by the US started the whole Ukraine situation anyway.
Yes, I can dig out links if really needed.

Ukraine as a member of NATO is ludicrous.

It's OK for the US to overthrow one elected government but complain about the very different actions of General P.

 

 

 

No one is talking about Ukraine as a member of Nato.

 

The discussion is of Washington conferring on the Ukraine the status of "major non-Nato military ally." 

 

Non-Nato ally.

 

I've posted about some of the mutual benefit each country would gain from such a designation, which one suspects may be coming soon.

[Publicus]

 

 

 

why do the ukrainians need anti-aircraft weapons when they are fighting with rebbels who dont have plains.

Or to shoot down another civilian airliner in order to get the west to fight russia.
 

 
 
Those looking for conspiracies will find them, or invent them, or whatever.

and those who start about conspiracies are the ones to blame and look carefull what they are doing.

because they have something to hide and to acuse others of conspiracy

 

 

Ok, got it.

 

[soalbundy]

 

In Washington they are not always on the same page as in Berlin and Paris :  Germany and France refused to approve the Security Council presentation made by Colin Powell to justify a war and a regime change in Iraq.

I cannot believe the Germans will accept Ukraine as a NATO member : there may be fools in the USA but not in Germany after 1945.

 

Ha ?  Plenty of fools and US-boot lickers in (my) German Government.  They are Obama's most subserviant boot lickers.
 

 

not the most subservient, that would be the UK. 

[Asiantravel]

Is this what NATO wants to protect?

 

Ukrainian army helps installing shale gas production equipment near Slavyansk.

 
 

 

© ITAR-TASS Archive/Mihail Pochuev

 

DONETSK, July 25. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukrainian troopers help installing shale gas production equipment near the east Ukrainian town of Slavyansk, which they bombed and shelled for the three preceding months, the Novorossiya news agency reports on its website citing local residents.Burisma, Ukraine’s oil and gas production holdings, also has the right to develop the shale gas fields in the Dnieper-Donetsk basin of Eastern Ukraine.

 

 

And look who will be part of all the decision-making.

 

A son of U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden has recently become a member of Burisma’s board of directors.

 

 

 

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742366

Edited July 26, 2014 by Asiantravel

[GentlemanJim]

Is this what NATO wants to protect?

 

Ukrainian army helps installing shale gas production equipment near Slavyansk.

 
 

 

© ITAR-TASS Archive/Mihail Pochuev

 

DONETSK, July 25. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukrainian troopers help installing shale gas production equipment near the east Ukrainian town of Slavyansk, which they bombed and shelled for the three preceding months, the Novorossiya news agency reports on its website citing local residents.Burisma, Ukraine’s oil and gas production holdings, also has the right to develop the shale gas fields in the Dnieper-Donetsk basin of Eastern Ukraine.

 

 

And look who will be part of all the decision-making.

 

A son of U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden has recently become a member of Burisma’s board of directors.

 

 

 

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742366

 

In the grand jigsaw puzzle of things concerning the Ukraine at this time, this is very disturbing news. 

[Asiantravel]

 

Is this what NATO wants to protect?

 

Ukrainian army helps installing shale gas production equipment near Slavyansk.

 
 

 

© ITAR-TASS Archive/Mihail Pochuev

 

DONETSK, July 25. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukrainian troopers help installing shale gas production equipment near the east Ukrainian town of Slavyansk, which they bombed and shelled for the three preceding months, the Novorossiya news agency reports on its website citing local residents.Burisma, Ukraine’s oil and gas production holdings, also has the right to develop the shale gas fields in the Dnieper-Donetsk basin of Eastern Ukraine.

 

 

And look who will be part of all the decision-making.

 

A son of U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden has recently become a member of Burisma’s board of directors.

 

 

 

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742366

 

In the grand jigsaw puzzle of things concerning the Ukraine at this time, this is very disturbing news. 

 

 

we will see in due course that the proxy Ukraine war is just like that in Syria preceding - it's all about energy.

 

Edited July 26, 2014 by Asiantravel

[MJP]

I dunno, the World seems desperate to go to war with itself at the moment. May I remind everyone that countries do not actually exist and borders are imaginary and that people are just people regardless of "where" they come from.

[soalbundy]

I dunno, the World seems desperate to go to war with itself at the moment. May I remind everyone that countries do not actually exist and borders are imaginary and that people are just people regardless of "where" they come from.

That would be a good line for all the visa runners,just cant see the immigration agreeing somehow

[MJP]

 

I dunno, the World seems desperate to go to war with itself at the moment. May I remind everyone that countries do not actually exist and borders are imaginary and that people are just people regardless of "where" they come from.

That would be a good line for all the visa runners,just cant see the immigration agreeing somehow

 

 

Once you challenge your own conditioning the World can be a much more interesting place, the possibilities for peace are endless.

 

Otherwise put, when you're cynical, everything becomes clear.

[soalbundy]

 

 

I dunno, the World seems desperate to go to war with itself at the moment. May I remind everyone that countries do not actually exist and borders are imaginary and that people are just people regardless of "where" they come from.

That would be a good line for all the visa runners,just cant see the immigration agreeing somehow

 

 

Once you challenge your own conditioning the World can be a much more interesting place, the possibilities for peace are endless.

 

Otherwise put, when you're cynical, everything becomes clear.

 

Agree with that but to exist in this world one needs cynical realism,that maybe vulgar from a philosophical point of view but nothing quite beats a warm bed and three meals a day,yes sir,no sir is a small price to pay when one considers the alternatives.

[Asiantravel]

The Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk upon his resignation  also expressed disappointment with Ukrainian parliament’s decision to reject a bill that allows the government to hand over up to 49 percent of the country’s gas transport system to investors from the European Union and the United States.
 

[MJP]

 

 

 

I dunno, the World seems desperate to go to war with itself at the moment. May I remind everyone that countries do not actually exist and borders are imaginary and that people are just people regardless of "where" they come from.

That would be a good line for all the visa runners,just cant see the immigration agreeing somehow

 

 

Once you challenge your own conditioning the World can be a much more interesting place, the possibilities for peace are endless.

 

Otherwise put, when you're cynical, everything becomes clear.

 

Agree with that but to exist in this world one needs cynical realism,that maybe vulgar from a philosophical point of view but nothing quite beats a warm bed and three meals a day,yes sir,no sir is a small price to pay when one considers the alternatives.

 

 

mmmm . . . sadly.

 

But unless all the normal ordinary boring old folk like us actually challenge evil nothing will change.

[soalbundy]

As the great bard said, '' for there is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so''

[F430murci]

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And that came from "Local
terror - Jew World Order" website or "Stopwarssaveeart"
Website? Fascinating.

https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Ukrainian+Prime+Minister+Arseniy+Yatseniuk+upon+his+resignation++also+expressed+disappointment+with+Ukrainian+parliaments+decision+to+reject+a+bill+that+allows+the+government+to+hand+over+up+to+49+percent+of+the+countrys+gas+transport+system+to+investors+from+the+European+Union+and+the+United+States.&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

[Asiantravel]

 

The Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk upon his resignation  also expressed disappointment with Ukrainian parliaments decision to reject a bill that allows the government to hand over up to 49 percent of the countrys gas transport system to investors from the European Union and the United States.
 

And that came from "Local
terror - Jew World Order" website or "Stopwarssaveeart"
Website? Fascinating.

https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Ukrainian+Prime+Minister+Arseniy+Yatseniuk+upon+his+resignation++also+expressed+disappointment+with+Ukrainian+parliaments+decision+to+reject+a+bill+that+allows+the+government+to+hand+over+up+to+49+percent+of+the+countrys+gas+transport+system+to+investors+from+the+European+Union+and+the+United+States.&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

 

 

 

 Actually, I got it from the global economic analysis website run by Mish Shedlock (see below) under the subheading  “ Biden's Son, Kerry Family Friend Join Ukrainian Gas Producer's Board “

if even features a very interesting video entitled Ukraine's 72nd brigade is now an additional battalion short."

 

Who's Winning the War in Ukraine? Answer May Shock You!

 

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jse-dtd33Aw
 

Edited July 26, 2014 by Asiantravel

[craigt3365]

A few off topic posts have been removed from view.

[soalbundy]

It's just like an election really,let them get on with it and congratulate the winner afterwards. There is so much violence in the world today that one becomes immune to it. If peace were to break out in the world that would be shocking.

[snarky66]

We should have admitted Ukraine & Georgia years ago. Might have stopped Mad Vlad from invading & annexing his neighbors. I am in favor of admitting Baltic countries & any former Soviet bloc countries who would like to join. Too bad Barry won't implement the missile shield..

[snarky66]

 

This should calm things down.

 

Calm things down ?   The very reverse !

 

Sarcasm is lost on some people.

 

Use 500 smileys so the dolts get the message. 

[StasD]

 Do not know about N ATO and Ukraine but  american general Кее Randy Alan is already in Kiev to control Ukrain forces. I wish him to go home safety

[Asiantravel]

Land for gas: Merkel and Putin discussed secret deal could end Ukraine crisis
 

 

 

Germany and Russia have been working on a secret plan to broker a peaceful solution to end international tensions over the Ukraine.the Ukrainian President would agree not to apply to join Nato

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/land-for-gas-secret-german-deal-could-end-ukraine-crisis-9638764.html