Prayuth elected as the 29th Thai PM

[Thanet]

You still don't seem to understand what I have against the current junta. They could be the best government in history, they would still not get my support, as I do not support dictatorships.

I would like Thailand to return to being a constitutional monarchy where the Thai electorate gets to decide who runs their country.

Quote. "they could be the best government in history, they still wouldn't get my support" then do not give it. if this if this is the case then let the Thai people enjoy it......................the last sentence I think everyone wants, it cannot be yet, don't you see that. if the army does as promised Thailand may well get your and my wish.

What right have you to tell Thais what they should and shouldn't enjoy?

I'm a Thai person, and I'm not enjoying it. They make me go and vote, then disregard the choices that I make.

[SureNDT]

sad, sad, and sad. A military coup, that appointed its own cabinet, and now "elects" the PM. So this situation and this PM is better than a legally elected PM such as Thaksin? Coup upoin coup upon coup. It really is amazing to see such a thing in these so-called modern times, especially with mass communication and information.

Amazing that many on here have been duped into supporting it. Some appearing to waken up now. More will when the tourists are gone, the fun is gone and the lunatic crack-downs start to affect a wider scope of the expat populus.

So many are clearly so obsessed with Thaksin that any rational discussion falls on deaf ears.

[airconsult]

the Democrats, who don't accept defeat and don't use the time between elections to make themselves more electable

Funny you mention that. The PTP who make themselves electable don't use that time to adhere too democracy, but abuse it between election results.

That is why reform is needed and the General is the man for the job.

Unless of course you preferred daily terrorist attacks by the PTP terrorist wing?

You could claim the general is laying golden eggs, but intelligent people won't believe it until you provide some evidence.

So you prefer the daily terrorist attacks.

Why am I not surprised….

I think he just prefers a democracy, where freedom of speech is allowed and the people's choices are respected, to a military dictatorship.

Let's face it, no government here can be accused of being clean, but at least we could kick them out at the ballot box.

That right has been taken away from us.

Hear! Hear!

Yes, there has been many bad governments that wasted money and were (possibly) corrupt in the UK, USA, NZ, Aus - but people followed the rules, brought them to court where possible (ie. actual evidence existed, not rumours), and voted them out at the next election.

The sad thing in TVF is many posters say it's better to break the law and depose a government by force rather than insist everyone follow the law and peacefully campaign for reform.

[heybruce]

the Democrats, who don't accept defeat and don't use the time between elections to make themselves more electable

Funny you mention that. The PTP who make themselves electable don't use that time to adhere too democracy, but abuse it between election results.

That is why reform is needed and the General is the man for the job.

Unless of course you preferred daily terrorist attacks by the PTP terrorist wing?

You could claim the general is laying golden eggs, but intelligent people won't believe it until you provide some evidence.

So you prefer the daily terrorist attacks.

Why am I not surprised….

I think he just prefers a democracy, where freedom of speech is allowed and the people's choices are respected, to a military dictatorship.

Let's face it, no government here can be accused of being clean, but at least we could kick them out at the ballot box.

That right has been taken away from us.

Correct, and well put.

My post was simply a jab at djjamie, who makes many inflammatory posts without proof, then gets offended when asked for proof.

[smotherb]

Shouldn't it be:

Prayuth "elected" as 29th PM.

I think 'chosen' is the better term, since the junta 'chose' the 197 members of the NLA.

[TVGerry]

So you prefer the daily terrorist attacks.

Why am I not surprised….

I think he just prefers a democracy, where freedom of speech is allowed and the people's choices are respected, to a military dictatorship.

Let's face it, no government here can be accused of being clean, but at least we could kick them out at the ballot box.

That right has been taken away from us.

Hear! Hear!

Yes, there has been many bad governments that wasted money and were (possibly) corrupt in the UK, USA, NZ, Aus - but people followed the rules, brought them to court where possible (ie. actual evidence existed, not rumours), and voted them out at the next election.

The sad thing in TVF is many posters say it's better to break the law and depose a government by force rather than insist everyone follow the law and peacefully campaign for reform.

Support by people here of a military dictatorship that assumed power illegally also baffles me.

How can people who were raised to value all the freedoms and right that democracy offered them back home, now support the opposite kind of system in a country where they are only living as guests?

I'd say that such people were perfidious by character.

If my country were run by a bunch of extremely corrupt and extremely ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons, I'd support a coup there too.

[Bulldozer Dawn]

Get your money out of Thai banks now. While you still can.

[ratcatcher]

Get your money out of Thai banks now. While you still can.

Care to elucidate or is that a throwaway comment?

[Schmackos]

I know that there was no other viable alternative, but is the man chosen as the new prime minister a good man, has a good heart?

Good for Thailand?

What does the West think of him?

[SureNDT]

If my country were run by a bunch of extremely corrupt and extremely ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons, I'd support a coup there too.

A coup to install more extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?

Do expats that post here really have absolutely no clue about Thai history and the corruption of previous military governments?

[ratcatcher]

I know that there was no other viable alternative, but is the man chosen as the new prime minister a good man, has a good heart?

Good for Thailand?

What does the West think of him?

What does General Prayuth think of "The West"?

[tbthailand]

If my country were run by a bunch of extremely corrupt and extremely ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons, I'd support a coup there too.

A coup to install more extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?

Do expats that post here really have absolutely no clue about Thai history and the corruption of previous military governments?

apparently not

[ratcatcher]

If my country were run by a bunch of extremely corrupt and extremely ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons, I'd support a coup there too.

A coup to install more extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?

Do expats that post here really have absolutely no clue about Thai history and the corruption of previous military governments?

"......extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?"

Would you say that to the General's face?

Of course, the first part of your statement, in blue,could more easily have applied to the last semblance of government Thailand had last year.

[ginjag]

If my country were run by a bunch of extremely corrupt and extremely ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons, I'd support a coup there too.

A coup to install more extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?

Do expats that post here really have absolutely no clue about Thai history and the corruption of previous military governments?

apparently not

So what does that prove ??? same again in your eyes--give a dog a bad name eh! but we had Thaksin regime a couple of history lessons there .

#253 + #255 learn a bit, save your bitterness.

[airconsult]

Support by people here of a military dictatorship that assumed power illegally also baffles me.

How can people who were raised to value all the freedoms and right that democracy offered them back home, now support the opposite kind of system in a country where they are only living as guests?

I'd say that such people were perfidious by character.

Interesting that you would support the Mugabe government.

A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument. ^[1] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Thanks for the demonstration!

[airconsult]

If my country were run by a bunch of extremely corrupt and extremely ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons, I'd support a coup there too.

A coup to install more extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?

Do expats that post here really have absolutely no clue about Thai history and the corruption of previous military governments?

"......extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?"

Would you say that to the General's face?

Of course, the first part of your statement, in blue,could more easily have applied to the last semblance of government Thailand had last year.

So, you're saying he should be afraid to speak his mind about the government. That it is beyond criticism (because it has said so), and therefore should never be questioned or watched for wrongdoing?

I seem to remember people being free to criticise the previous government, and the one before? (and many did)

[SPALAX]

sad, sad, and sad. A military coup, that appointed its own cabinet, and now "elects" the PM. So this situation and this PM is better than a legally elected PM such as Thaksin? Coup upoin coup upon coup. It really is amazing to see such a thing in these so-called modern times, especially with mass communication and information.

Amazing that many on here have been duped into supporting it. Some appearing to waken up now. More will when the tourists are gone, the fun is gone and the lunatic crack-downs start to affect a wider scope of the expat populus.

So many are clearly so obsessed with Thaksin that any rational discussion falls on deaf ears.

Yes, most of the farangs were and still are anti Shinawat. They were always in favour of all possible Thai parties or groups which were anti shinawat, not even trying to know or understand what they were telling, and namely about farangs. What were these farangs expecting?

Now, it seems that they have some problems (visas, property, aso).

Most of my friends and acquaintances are pro Shinawat. They are not "ferocious non educated farmers". However, they think that the army has avoided a civil war, that Yingluck did the right thing with her no confrontation policy and succeeded to control the different red groups. They think that the post coup government is trying to restore some order.

I am thinking like them. Thailand needs democracy and respect of all voting citizens, respect of the results whatever they are. But they also think that it is necessary to wait and see and follow the new PM for a certain time.

So let's see and try to understand more.

[ginjag]

If my country were run by a bunch of extremely corrupt and extremely ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons, I'd support a coup there too.

A coup to install more extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?

Do expats that post here really have absolutely no clue about Thai history and the corruption of previous military governments?

"......extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?"

Would you say that to the General's face?

Of course, the first part of your statement, in blue,could more easily have applied to the last semblance of government Thailand had last year.

So, you're saying he should be afraid to speak his mind about the government. That it is beyond criticism (because it has said so), and therefore should never be questioned or watched for wrongdoing?

I seem to remember people being free to criticise the previous government, and the one before? (and many did)

Your memory is a little distorted, the people criticized the PTP government as it was not governing as sworn in to do so.

Wasn't their name, it was based on the actual NON performance. The difference here is the actual name ARMY.is being criticized for being the army NOT on their performance.

[SureNDT]

If my country were run by a bunch of extremely corrupt and extremely ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons, I'd support a coup there too.

A coup to install more extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?

Do expats that post here really have absolutely no clue about Thai history and the corruption of previous military governments?

apparently not

So what does that prove ??? same again in your eyes--give a dog a bad name eh! but we had Thaksin regime a couple of history lessons there .

#253 + #255 learn a bit, save your bitterness.

So by that rationale you will accept a Thaksin led government in the future.

Water under the bridge after all.

[gk10002000]

What defines a PM? What definies who can elect a PM? Since the coup threw away the constitution, there is no legal definition of a PM nor of what an election is. The next general can just come along and maneuver himself into being the PM. Amazing that we keep seeing this happen in Thailand.

[ginjag]

So what does that prove ??? same again in your eyes--give a dog a bad name eh! but we had Thaksin regime a couple of history lessons there .

#253 + #255 learn a bit, save your bitterness.

People are allowed to be cautious and watchful - how about checking the 3rd and 4th paragraphs of this link to the last head of the army to be PM at the same time. Is it exactly the same now - of course not - but people are entitled to be concerned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarit#Sarit.27s_tenure

Spooky similarity isn't it?

Oh, and remember to read further and check the revelations over his wealth after he passed away. (remember it was 1963)

"He was discovered to have owned a trust company, a brewery, 51 cars and some 30 plots of land, most of which he gave to the dozens of mistresses he was found to have had. Thai language newspapers published the names of 100 women who claimed to have shared his bed, shocking the public when it was learnt how corrupt he had actually been.^[11]"

I am one of these so called cautious-watchful persons. the rest of your historical rant about some very personal slants is not needed--and I am not spending my time consulting Wiki--Facebook-Google of ancient history.

The present situation is what I am going along with not a past away ex army man.

[heybruce]

A coup to install more extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?

Do expats that post here really have absolutely no clue about Thai history and the corruption of previous military governments?

"......extremely corrupt and ineffectual bunch of nasty buffoons that are not accountable to anyone and have no mandate from the people they rule over?"

Would you say that to the General's face?

Of course, the first part of your statement, in blue,could more easily have applied to the last semblance of government Thailand had last year.

So, you're saying he should be afraid to speak his mind about the government. That it is beyond criticism (because it has said so), and therefore should never be questioned or watched for wrongdoing?

I seem to remember people being free to criticise the previous government, and the one before? (and many did)

Your memory is a little distorted, the people criticized the PTP government as it was not governing as sworn in to do so.

Wasn't their name, it was based on the actual NON performance. The difference here is the actual name ARMY.is being criticized for being the army NOT on their performance.

No, the difference is that it was legal to criticize the government before the coup, and it's illegal to criticize it now.

[heybruce]

Support by people here of a military dictatorship that assumed power illegally also baffles me.

How can people who were raised to value all the freedoms and right that democracy offered them back home, now support the opposite kind of system in a country where they are only living as guests?

I'd say that such people were perfidious by character.

Interesting that you would support the Mugabe government.

A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument. ^[1] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Thanks for the demonstration!

Things aren't so black and white are they. Sometimes non-democratic governments are better than "democratic" ones.

I was raised to value the right to freedoms and democracy, which is why I don't and haven't supported the various Thaksin proxy governments since 2005.

"Sometimes non-democratic governments are better than "democratic" ones."

Examples?

[whybother]

"Sometimes non-democratic governments are better than "democratic" ones."

Examples?

Thailand !!

[Thanet]

Support by people here of a military dictatorship that assumed power illegally also baffles me.

How can people who were raised to value all the freedoms and right that democracy offered them back home, now support the opposite kind of system in a country where they are only living as guests?

I'd say that such people were perfidious by character.

Interesting that you would support the Mugabe government.

A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument. ^[1] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Thanks for the demonstration!

I was also askance at the irrelevancy of whybother's above statement to the current discussion, and how he said the opposite of what my post clearly meant to say.

[Thanet]

So, you're saying he should be afraid to speak his mind about the government. That it is beyond criticism (because it has said so), and therefore should never be questioned or watched for wrongdoing?

I seem to remember people being free to criticise the previous government, and the one before? (and many did)

Your memory is a little distorted, the people criticized the PTP government as it was not governing as sworn in to do so.

Wasn't their name, it was based on the actual NON performance. The difference here is the actual name ARMY.is being criticized for being the army NOT on their performance.

You are barking mad. Any and every argument with you leads to Thaksin and the PTP.

The function of the army is for fighting foreign wars.The army has no business to kick out a civilian government by threat of lethal force.

All The majority of Thai people want is a return to democracy. According to the constitution, only the citizenry can do that, and probably would have sooner or later by democratic means.

[Thanet]

Sarit is Prayuth's role model, and in army circles Prayuth has been referred to as "Little Sarit".

Ginjag takes pride in his ignorance of history, and flatly refuses to study it.

Oh sorry teacher Thanet, is that my school report to one of your friends ??? give me 100 lines to repeat your suggestion. Fool.

There you go again with your inverted snobbery, holding out your ignorance and refusal to study basic history as if they were some kind of cherished virtues of yours.

Edited August 22, 2014 by Thanet

[ginjag]

Yes, most of the farangs were and still are anti Shinawat. They were always in favour of all possible Thai parties or groups which were anti shinawat, not even trying to know or understand what they were telling, and namely about farangs. What were these farangs expecting?

Now, it seems that they have some problems (visas, property, aso).

Most of my friends and acquaintances are pro Shinawat. They are not "ferocious non educated farmers". However, they think that the army has avoided a civil war, that Yingluck did the right thing with her no confrontation policy and succeeded to control the different red groups. They think that the post coup government is trying to restore some order.

I am thinking like them. Thailand needs democracy and respect of all voting citizens, respect of the results whatever they are. But they also think that it is necessary to wait and see and follow the new PM for a certain time.

So let's see and try to understand more.

Quote. "Yingluck succeeded to control the red shirts. it is a false-porky pie-----she had control over Jutaporn and his followers ?? she stopped them from killing....etc---SHE did no such thing, what a biased post.

The last 30 words are constructive and sensible, this is what we all want. but some of your anti army brigade on TVF are against your last 30 words.

Quote: she had control over Jutaporn and his followers ??

Yes, obviously. But, you are free to think what you want and also to get information (from abroad).

Well thanks for the 30 last words but, sorry, I certainly never posted any comment against the army.

A I said, for a certain time, Army is an absolute necessity.

I never mentioned you against the army--read it again, some anti army brigade on TVF are against your last 30 or so words.

Yingluck never had any control over the reds--Thaksins job that was, all their activities were left alone until the army had to step in.

[Docno]

What are his English skills like? I seem to remember the previous incumbent being slagged off on TV on a regular basis for her English.

Did he obtain a Masters degree utilizing the English language at a university in a native English-speaking country?

The previous incumbent was justifiably slagged off on for allegedly having obtained one under those conditions, but yet, she displayed English abilities far below what one might reasonably expect from someone who supposedly had achieved that linguistic milestone.

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That was because many people here don't understand the performance priorities of graduate schools. I've taught in the graduate programme at a highly regarded university, and spoken English is considered much less important than content mastery, discipline-related skills, innovation, and English writing skills. This is particularly true in PhD programmes where the focus is on conducting research and publishing papers in top-tier journals... you don't need English speaking skills for this. We had many fine students from China who struggled to speak English, but they conducted excellent research and were able to write good papers that simply needed some polishing from a fluent English speaker. Some of them went on to academic jobs at good US (etc) universities because those universities also recognised what was important from a research/academic perspective. And some of our Chinese Masters students went on to PhD programmes in top US universities, imperfect spoken English an all.

[ginjag]

Sarit is Prayuth's role model, and in army circles Prayuth has been referred to as "Little Sarit".

Ginjag takes pride in his ignorance of history, and flatly refuses to study it.

Oh sorry teacher Thanet, is that my school report to one of your friends ??? give me 100 lines to repeat your suggestion. Fool.

There you go again with your inverted snobbery, holding out your ignorance and refusal to study basic history as if they were some kind of cherished virtues of yours.

The answer was a reflection of the style of question, I am NOT interested in 20 years of army history, I am only assessing on the judgments on the days ahead.---Name calling personal angry attacks on fellow posters, and snide remarks to boot. snobbery- ignorance my word your showing yours quite well--but you will not bait me into telling you my personal thoughts now about you, as you lost that with your friends on this forum.

your theme is attack anyone, we respond and you then attack--not in the mood only moving forward something you seemingly are not interested in, only to disrupt if poss. read this last 1 liner of yours, not interested in what you put----sorry again.