Thai CDC: Ebola virus is not airborne

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CDC: Ebola virus is not airborne

BANGKOK, 1 September 2014 (NNT) - The Department of Disease Control has reiterated that the deadly Ebola virus is not airborne and cannot be spread throughout the water supply or in properly handled and cooked foods.

The department said the 2014 Ebola outbreak is one of the largest Ebola outbreaks in history and the first in West Africa. It is affecting four countries in West Africa: Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone. The virus has also recently spread to Nigeria through a traveling Liberian-American man.

The virus is spread through direct contact with a sick person's blood or body fluids, objects that have been contaminated with infected body fluids and infected animals. Fatality rate can reach 90%, but the current outbreak has mortality rate of about 55%. There is no known cure or vaccine.

The department is closely working with the World Health Organization in screening visitors entering Thailand from outbreak-hit countries. Thai nationals have also been urged to refrain from flying to West Africa until the outbreak is declared over by the WHO.

An infected person's symptoms include fever, muscle and joint pain, sore throat, headache and fatigue which are followed by nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. Thai people who need to travel to the Ebola-plagued countries are urged to avoid hunting, touching and eating bushmeat such as bats, monkeys and chimpanzees; as scientists believe this is how the virus was first transmitted to humans.

-- NNT 2014-09-01

[siampolee]

Because the natural reservoir of ebolaviruses has not yet been proven, the manner in which the virus first appears in a human at the start of an outbreak is unknown. However, researchers have hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected through contact with an infected animal.

When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. The virus is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with

• a sick person's blood or body fluids (urine, saliva, feces, vomit, and semen)
• objects (such as needles) that have been contaminated with infected body fluids
• infected animals

Healthcare workers and the family and friends in close contact with Ebola patients are at the highest risk of getting sick because they may come in contact with infected blood or body fluids.

During outbreaks of Ebola HF, the disease can spread quickly within healthcare settings (such as a clinic or hospital). Exposure to ebolaviruses can occur in healthcare settings where hospital staff are not wearing appropriate protective equipment, such as masks, gowns, and gloves.

Proper cleaning and disposal of instruments, such as needles and syringes, is also important. If instruments are not disposable, they must be sterilized before being used again. Without adequate sterilization of the instruments, virus transmission can continue and amplify an outbreak.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/

The statement is really made without concrete proof concerning the transmission of the Ebola virus in fact the whole matter is not fully explained as the above quote shows.

The statement put put locally is in truth not a lie but it's certainly a wild guess at the possible facts.

Edited September 1, 2014 by siampolee

[whybother]

Because the natural reservoir of ebolaviruses has not yet been proven, the manner in which the virus first appears in a human at the start of an outbreak is unknown. However, researchers have hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected through contact with an infected animal.

When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. The virus is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with

• a sick person's blood or body fluids (urine, saliva, feces, vomit, and semen)
• objects (such as needles) that have been contaminated with infected body fluids
• infected animals

Healthcare workers and the family and friends in close contact with Ebola patients are at the highest risk of getting sick because they may come in contact with infected blood or body fluids.

During outbreaks of Ebola HF, the disease can spread quickly within healthcare settings (such as a clinic or hospital). Exposure to ebolaviruses can occur in healthcare settings where hospital staff are not wearing appropriate protective equipment, such as masks, gowns, and gloves.

Proper cleaning and disposal of instruments, such as needles and syringes, is also important. If instruments are not disposable, they must be sterilized before being used again. Without adequate sterilization of the instruments, virus transmission can continue and amplify an outbreak.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/

The statement is really made without concrete proof concerning the transmission of the Ebola virus in fact the whole matter is not fully explained as the above quote shows.

The statement put put locally is in truth not a lie but it's certainly a wild guess at the possible facts.

There is enough evidence out there that the virus is not airborne.

[BigBadGeordie]

There is enough evidence out there that the virus is not airborne.

But now Thai authorities have confirmed it, so the WHO can sleep well tonight knowing that they got it right.

[chainarong]

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Because the natural reservoir of ebolaviruses has not yet been proven, the manner in which the virus first appears in a human at the start of an outbreak is unknown. However, researchers have hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected through contact with an infected animal.

When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. The virus is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with

• a sick person's blood or body fluids (urine, saliva, feces, vomit, and semen)
• objects (such as needles) that have been contaminated with infected body fluids
• infected animals

Healthcare workers and the family and friends in close contact with Ebola patients are at the highest risk of getting sick because they may come in contact with infected blood or body fluids.

During outbreaks of Ebola HF, the disease can spread quickly within healthcare settings (such as a clinic or hospital). Exposure to ebolaviruses can occur in healthcare settings where hospital staff are not wearing appropriate protective equipment, such as masks, gowns, and gloves.

Proper cleaning and disposal of instruments, such as needles and syringes, is also important. If instruments are not disposable, they must be sterilized before being used again. Without adequate sterilization of the instruments, virus transmission can continue and amplify an outbreak.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/

The statement is really made without concrete proof concerning the transmission of the Ebola virus in fact the whole matter is not fully explained as the above quote shows.

The statement put put locally is in truth not a lie but it's certainly a wild guess at the possible facts.

Just Google the subject , you will find that the CDC is correct, Ebola is carried by body fluids , why try and make Thai medical officials look like second rate Thai politicians, if the minister for health under the former PTP Administration offered this advice, I would certainly be Googling.

[DrLom]

CDC is only doing its job.

Half of Thais think getting pregnant comes from kissing, and sex is just a bit of fun...

They have to be kept aware of the realities... as panic about Ebola is reaching ghostly proportions.

[Asiantravel]

Because the natural reservoir of ebolaviruses has not yet been proven, the manner in which the virus first appears in a human at the start of an outbreak is unknown. However, researchers have hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected through contact with an infected animal.

When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. The virus is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with

• a sick person's blood or body fluids (urine, saliva, feces, vomit, and semen)
• objects (such as needles) that have been contaminated with infected body fluids
• infected animals

Healthcare workers and the family and friends in close contact with Ebola patients are at the highest risk of getting sick because they may come in contact with infected blood or body fluids.

During outbreaks of Ebola HF, the disease can spread quickly within healthcare settings (such as a clinic or hospital). Exposure to ebolaviruses can occur in healthcare settings where hospital staff are not wearing appropriate protective equipment, such as masks, gowns, and gloves.

Proper cleaning and disposal of instruments, such as needles and syringes, is also important. If instruments are not disposable, they must be sterilized before being used again. Without adequate sterilization of the instruments, virus transmission can continue and amplify an outbreak.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/

The statement is really made without concrete proof concerning the transmission of the Ebola virus in fact the whole matter is not fully explained as the above quote shows.

The statement put put locally is in truth not a lie but it's certainly a wild guess at the possible facts.

There is enough evidence out there that the virus is not airborne.

yes but they dont mention aerosols and droplets . To simply say its not airborne end of story is semantics

You cannot catch EVD by an airborne route, but you may from droplet sprays. Wait, what?? This is where a simple definition becomes really important.Whether propelled by sneezing, coughing, talking, splashing, flushing or some other process, aerosols (an over-arching term) include a range of particle sizes. Those droplets larger than 5-10 millionths of a meter (a micron [µm]; about 1/10 the width of a human hair)

http://virologydownunder.blogspot.com/2014/08/ebola-virus-may-be-spread-by-droplets.html

[Prbkk]

Fortunately there is not a deadly Snotola virus. Thailand would be the frontline of transmission.

[DrLom]

Fortunately there is not a deadly Snotola virus. Thailand would be the frontline of transmission.

Actually, China would win the gold for that one, and as for the spittingola contest... China has the best experts in the world.

Edited September 1, 2014 by DrLom

[Thai at Heart]

There is enough evidence out there that the virus is not airborne.

yes but they dont mention aerosols and droplets . To simply say its not airborne end of story is semantics

You cannot catch EVD by an airborne route, but you may from droplet sprays. Wait, what?? This is where a simple definition becomes really important.Whether propelled by sneezing, coughing, talking, splashing, flushing or some other process, aerosols (an over-arching term) include a range of particle sizes. Those droplets larger than 5-10 millionths of a meter (a micron [µm]; about 1/10 the width of a human hair)

http://virologydownunder.blogspot.com/2014/08/ebola-virus-may-be-spread-by-droplets.html

Exactly. I wondered about that concept, because they talk about flu virus or colds being airborne because people cough and splutter and sneeze.

But ebola isn't airborne because patients don't cough splutter and sneeze? Which really is an exercise in semantics, because if I was sitting next to someone with ebola, I pretty much would definitely not want him to cough and splutter on me, cough into his hand and offer me his hand, or cough onto the surrounding furniture and then not clean it up.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071103070404AA80CvB

Many common infections can spread by droplet transmission in at least some cases, including:

Common cold

Diphtheria

Fifth disease (erythema infectiosum

Influenza

Meningitis

Mycoplasma

Mumps

Pertussis (whooping cough)

Plague

RSV

Rubella

Strep (strep throat, scarlet fever, pneumonia)

So its as infectious as these. Great......

[BlackJack]

Because the natural reservoir of ebolaviruses has not yet been proven, the manner in which the virus first appears in a human at the start of an outbreak is unknown. However, researchers have hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected through contact with an infected animal.

When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. The virus is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with

• a sick person's blood or body fluids (urine, saliva, feces, vomit, and semen)
• objects (such as needles) that have been contaminated with infected body fluids
• infected animals

Healthcare workers and the family and friends in close contact with Ebola patients are at the highest risk of getting sick because they may come in contact with infected blood or body fluids.

During outbreaks of Ebola HF, the disease can spread quickly within healthcare settings (such as a clinic or hospital). Exposure to ebolaviruses can occur in healthcare settings where hospital staff are not wearing appropriate protective equipment, such as masks, gowns, and gloves.

Proper cleaning and disposal of instruments, such as needles and syringes, is also important. If instruments are not disposable, they must be sterilized before being used again. Without adequate sterilization of the instruments, virus transmission can continue and amplify an outbreak.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/

The statement is really made without concrete proof concerning the transmission of the Ebola virus in fact the whole matter is not fully explained as the above quote shows.

The statement put put locally is in truth not a lie but it's certainly a wild guess at the possible facts.

There is enough evidence out there that the virus is not airborne.

its not airborne until it gets on a plane

[sanuk711]

Many common infections can spread by droplet transmission in at least some cases, including:
Common cold
Diphtheria
Fifth disease (erythema infectiosum
Influenza
Meningitis
Mycoplasma
Mumps
Pertussis (whooping cough)
Plague
RSV
Rubella
Strep (strep throat, scarlet fever, pneumonia)

So its as infectious as these. Great......Thai at Heart

They have stated all along that the best disease to acquaint it with is HIV , it very similar in its infection..bodily fluids etc, it is not airborne, but if you cast your mind back to remember the same sort of panic when HIV hit, don't be anywhere near someone when they cough--yer 1,000s died of that being passed in a sneeze or a cough, common infections are passed by air--I don't know how you can equate this with your list Thai-at-Heart, & really to post a source of information on the disease like Yahoo-answers, you do know how that works don't you, they post the questions, & anyone (loon) is allowed to answer them---some font of knowledge that is.

If you can find a medical source that states its an airborne virus --like the list of things you have put up there-I will look at it. but please don't hold your breath while looking...........

Edited September 1, 2014 by sanuk711

[Ricardo]

The department said the 2014 Ebola outbreak is one of the largest Ebola outbreaks in history and the first in West Africa. It is affecting four countries in West Africa: Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone. The virus has also recently spread to Nigeria through a traveling Liberian-American man.

The Department might not have noticed that it also reached Senegal, a couple of days ago, and that infected-individuals also died in Saudi Arabia & Spain, but who's counting ? Not the department, it appears !

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28983554

[hotsoup]

Well that is re-assuring. Mind you I am not spending too much time these weeks picking over the carcases of bats, pangolins and monkeys that are on offer in the Tha Uthen Thursday market

[Local Drunk]

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Because the natural reservoir of ebolaviruses has not yet been proven, the manner in which the virus first appears in a human at the start of an outbreak is unknown. However, researchers have hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected through contact with an infected animal.

When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. The virus is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with

• a sick person's blood or body fluids (urine, saliva, feces, vomit, and semen)
• objects (such as needles) that have been contaminated with infected body fluids
• infected animals

Healthcare workers and the family and friends in close contact with Ebola patients are at the highest risk of getting sick because they may come in contact with infected blood or body fluids.

During outbreaks of Ebola HF, the disease can spread quickly within healthcare settings (such as a clinic or hospital). Exposure to ebolaviruses can occur in healthcare settings where hospital staff are not wearing appropriate protective equipment, such as masks, gowns, and gloves.

Proper cleaning and disposal of instruments, such as needles and syringes, is also important. If instruments are not disposable, they must be sterilized before being used again. Without adequate sterilization of the instruments, virus transmission can continue and amplify an outbreak.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/

The statement is really made without concrete proof concerning the transmission of the Ebola virus in fact the whole matter is not fully explained as the above quote shows.

The statement put put locally is in truth not a lie but it's certainly a wild guess at the possible facts.

Just Google the subject , you will find that the CDC is correct, Ebola is carried by body fluids , why try and make Thai medical officials look like second rate Thai politicians, if the minister for health under the former PTP Administration offered this advice, I would certainly be Googling.

One could also postulate that a simple cough will expel moisture, and that since oxygen contains moisture that oxygen could by osmosis be contaminated by the virus.

OMG!

[razer]

It seems logical an uncovered sneeze would spread the virus. Anybody been sprayed walking along the street or on the BTS?

[Thai at Heart]

Many common infections can spread by droplet transmission in at least some cases, including:

Common cold

Diphtheria

Fifth disease (erythema infectiosum

Influenza

Meningitis

Mycoplasma

Mumps

Pertussis (whooping cough)

Plague

RSV

Rubella

Strep (strep throat, scarlet fever, pneumonia)

So its as infectious as these. Great......Thai at Heart

They have stated all along that the best disease to acquaint it with is HIV , it very similar in its infection..bodily fluids etc, it is not airborne, but if you cast your mind back to remember the same sort of panic when HIV hit, don't be anywhere near someone when they cough--yer 1,000s died of that being passed in a sneeze or a cough, common infections are passed by air--I don't know how you can equate this with your list Thai-at-Heart, & really to post a source of information on the disease like Yahoo-answers, you do know how that works don't you, they post the questions, & anyone (loon) is allowed to answer them---some font of knowledge that is.

If you can find a medical source that states its an airborne virus --like the list of things you have put up there-I will look at it. but please don't hold your breath while looking...........

Of course there is a difference between droplet and airborne transmission. However, if you are in close proximity to a patient, it makes little difference.

Those mentioned up above are not airborne but are things no one would like to catch, and are considered pretty infectious. I think its pretty obvious that they don't want people to panic,so they are making the statement that ebola isn't airborne. But I tell you what, if someone with mumps sat on a plane next to me, I wouldn't be particularly happy about it, would you?

[catweazle]

Rrrrright - and Michael Jackson is still alive!

[sanuk711]

Of course there is a difference between droplet and airborne transmission. However, if you are in close proximity to a patient, it makes little difference.

Those mentioned up above are not airborne but are things no one would like to catch, and are considered pretty infectious. I think its pretty obvious that they don't want people to panic,so they are making the statement that ebola isn't airborne. But I tell you what, if someone with mumps sat on a plane next to me, I wouldn't be particularly happy about it, would you?----Thai-at-heart

No I wouldn't be happy with that scenario Thai@Heart, because mumps is like the common cold its is transmitted airborne & with my luck I would get it again after nearly 60 years of having it the first time. But if you look back to the madness of the 80s when HIV first hit---I mean it was much bigger then this, I was in living in Oz at that time & the government of the day were well over the top....they had TV adverts running of the grim reaper in a bowling ally throwing the ball down and getting 7 out of ten people -- I had many gay friends who my wife wanted me to ban from the house--let alone use our toilet, a lot of people were scared as you are when faced with uncertainty--but as someone posted a while back, we had HIV 80s--& then something else in the 90s...cant think what now SARS in 2000, SARS did worry me because it was airborne & can leap across boarders so quickly--but because of this they moved on it quickly killing millions of birds.

Of all the stuff I have read this Kiwi site makes a lot of sense ---why have 1,500 people died, this would not have happened in the UK, Germany or USA. something that should have been eradicated quickly wasn't.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/whats-missing-in-the-ebola-fight-in-west-africa/2014/08/31/19d6dafc-2fb4-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html

If the Ebola epidemic devastating the countries of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone had instead struck Washington, New York or Boston, there is no doubt that the health systems in place could contain and then eliminate the disease.

Hospitals would isolate suspected cases. Health workers would be outfitted with proper protective clothing and equipment. Doctors and nurses would administer effective supportive care, including comprehensive management of dehydration, impaired kidney and liver function, bleeding disorders and electrolyte disturbance. Labs would dispose of hazardous materials properly. And a public health command center would both direct the response and communicate clearly to the public about the outbreak.

Ebola is spread by direct physical contact with infected bodily fluids, making it less transmissible than an airborne disease such as tuberculosis. A functioning health system can stop Ebola transmission and, we believe, save the lives of a majority of those who are afflicted. So why isn’t this happening in West Africa, where more than 1,500 people have already died?

Edited September 1, 2014 by sanuk711

[Chicog]

I think they forgot the word "Yet".

[animatic]

Because the natural reservoir of ebola viruses has not yet been proven, the manner in which the virus first appears in a human at the start of an outbreak is unknown. However, researchers have hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected through contact with an infected animal.

When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. The virus is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with

• a sick person's blood or body fluids (urine, saliva, feces, vomit, and semen)
• objects (such as needles) that have been contaminated with infected body fluids
• infected animals

Healthcare workers and the family and friends in close contact with Ebola patients are at the highest risk of getting sick because they may come in contact with infected blood or body fluids.

During outbreaks of Ebola HF, the disease can spread quickly within healthcare settings (such as a clinic or hospital). Exposure to ebolaviruses can occur in healthcare settings where hospital staff are not wearing appropriate protective equipment, such as masks, gowns, and gloves.

Proper cleaning and disposal of instruments, such as needles and syringes, is also important. If instruments are not disposable, they must be sterilized before being used again. Without adequate sterilization of the instruments, virus transmission can continue and amplify an outbreak.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/

The statement is really made without concrete proof concerning the transmission of the Ebola virus in fact the whole matter is not fully explained as the above quote shows.

The statement put put locally is in truth not a lie but it's certainly a wild guess at the possible facts.

There is enough evidence out there that the virus is not airborne.

This means they do not know the source of a primary vector yet.

Mostly because by the time they find there is an outbreak the primary vector, or first sick individual,

is dead or too far gone to tell them. It likely is some animal, as yet unknown.

They eat most anything they can trap in Africa.

This doesn't mean they do not have a large amount of evidence of 2nd vectors onward.

The missing part I note above is, goggles are not listed.

If you think fluids can travel by air, such as spit or flying blood, then it is.

But that is not the definition of air-born transmission.

What this means is an aerosol form such as breath vapor on a cold day. On a warm day we don't see it.

But this doesn't mean wiping your sweaty brow and it hits someone in the eye.

So far there is NO evidence of actual air-born transmission,

with the narrow possible exception of whatever animal is storing it and passing it on to a human periodically.

[Thai at Heart]

Of course there is a difference between droplet and airborne transmission. However, if you are in close proximity to a patient, it makes little difference.

Those mentioned up above are not airborne but are things no one would like to catch, and are considered pretty infectious. I think its pretty obvious that they don't want people to panic,so they are making the statement that ebola isn't airborne. But I tell you what, if someone with mumps sat on a plane next to me, I wouldn't be particularly happy about it, would you?----Thai-at-heart

No I wouldn't be happy with that scenario Thai@Heart, because mumps is like the common cold its is transmitted airborne & with my luck I would get it again after nearly 60 years of having it the first time. But if you look back to the madness of the 80s when HIV first hit---I mean it was much bigger then this, I was in living in Oz at that time & the government of the day were well over the top....they had TV adverts running of the grim reaper in a bowling ally throwing the ball down and getting 7 out of ten people -- I had many gay friends who my wife wanted me to ban from the house--let alone use our toilet, a lot of people were scared as you are when faced with uncertainty--but as someone posted a while back, we had HIV 80s--& then something else in the 90s...cant think what now SARS in 2000, SARS did worry me because it was airborne & can leap across boarders so quickly--but because of this they moved on it quickly killing millions of birds.

Of all the stuff I have read this Kiwi site makes a lot of sense ---why have 1,500 people died, this would not have happened in the UK, Germany or USA. something that should have been eradicated quickly wasn't.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/whats-missing-in-the-ebola-fight-in-west-africa/2014/08/31/19d6dafc-2fb4-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html

If the Ebola epidemic devastating the countries of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone had instead struck Washington, New York or Boston, there is no doubt that the health systems in place could contain and then eliminate the disease.

Hospitals would isolate suspected cases. Health workers would be outfitted with proper protective clothing and equipment. Doctors and nurses would administer effective supportive care, including comprehensive management of dehydration, impaired kidney and liver function, bleeding disorders and electrolyte disturbance. Labs would dispose of hazardous materials properly. And a public health command center would both direct the response and communicate clearly to the public about the outbreak.

Ebola is spread by direct physical contact with infected bodily fluids, making it less transmissible than an airborne disease such as tuberculosis. A functioning health system can stop Ebola transmission and, we believe, save the lives of a majority of those who are afflicted. So why isn’t this happening in West Africa, where more than 1,500 people have already died?

First there is the difference between airborne and aerosol transmission. Then there is the basic effect of infection level. I find it hard to reconcile the statement that it is as infectious as HIV, because last i understood, I can happily sit in the room next to a dying HIV patient and I will never contract HIV from them. How can people be infecting each other just from being in proximity? It cannot be that they are sticking dirty needles into each other, so it can be spread by ALL bodily fluids when the patient is extremely sick, hence the need for all the protective equipment.

I found another site that catalogued that with adequate hospital treatment, mortaility is 56%. Hardly odds anyone wants.

[sanuk711]

First there is the difference between airborne and aerosol transmission. Then there is the basic effect of infection level. I find it hard to reconcile the statement that it is as infectious as HIV, because last i understood, I can happily sit in the room next to a dying HIV patient and I will never contract HIV from them. How can people be infecting each other just from being in proximity? It cannot be that they are sticking dirty needles into each other, so it can be spread by ALL bodily fluids when the patient is extremely sick, hence the need for all the protective equipment.

I found another site that catalogued that with adequate hospital treatment, mortaility is 56%. Hardly odds anyone wants. Thai@Heart

& you want to keep this site all to yourself Thai@Heart ??? by all means please share the information on the oncoming threat with us all.

I find it hard to reconcile the statement that it is as infectious as HIV, because last i understood, I can happily sit in the room next to a dying HIV patient and I will never contract HIV from them. Thai@Heart.

That's right Thai@Heart---but you try telling anyone that when HIV was as new as Ebola.... I don't know how old you are or if you were an adult in that 80s period , but many people look back on it with shame--landlords were evicting gay tenets, companies were sacking their workers..... if you were not old enough at that time [email protected] Google back to it, this (HIV) was so much bigger & scarier than Ebola.

Please don't get me wrong T@H Ebola is a lot more faster acting & more deadly then HIV but it does have the same genetic make up. Just 20 years ago, Western experts said confidently that there was little that rich countries could do to stop the global AIDS crisis, which was killing millions of people in Africa and elsewhere. How threatened are you now..??

Please look at this press release its from one of the USA's top laboratories in January this year--no its not Yaho-answers

AIDS And Ebola Found To Use Same MechanismTo Spread In Body

http://www.rense.com/general17/aidsandebola.htm

Let me ask you again [email protected] threaten are you by HIV

Edited September 1, 2014 by sanuk711

[Thai at Heart]

First there is the difference between airborne and aerosol transmission. Then there is the basic effect of infection level. I find it hard to reconcile the statement that it is as infectious as HIV, because last i understood, I can happily sit in the room next to a dying HIV patient and I will never contract HIV from them. How can people be infecting each other just from being in proximity? It cannot be that they are sticking dirty needles into each other, so it can be spread by ALL bodily fluids when the patient is extremely sick, hence the need for all the protective equipment.

I found another site that catalogued that with adequate hospital treatment, mortaility is 56%. Hardly odds anyone wants. Thai@Heart

& you want to keep this site all to yourself Thai@Heart ??? by all means please share the information on the oncoming threat with us all.

I find it hard to reconcile the statement that it is as infectious as HIV, because last i understood, I can happily sit in the room next to a dying HIV patient and I will never contract HIV from them. Thai@Heart.

That's right Thai@Heart---but you try telling anyone that when HIV was as new as Ebola.... I don't know how old you are or if you were an adult in that 80s period , but many people look back on it with shame--landlords were evicting gay tenets, companies were sacking their workers..... if you were not old enough at that time [email protected] Google back to it, this (HIV) was so much bigger & scarier than Ebola.

Please don't get me wrong T@H Ebola is a lot more faster acting & more deadly then HIV but it does have the same genetic make up. Just 20 years ago, Western experts said confidently that there was little that rich countries could do to stop the global AIDS crisis, which was killing millions of people in Africa and elsewhere. How threatened are you now..??

Please look at this press release its from one of the USA's top laboratories in January this year--no its not Yaho-answers

AIDS And Ebola Found To Use Same MechanismTo Spread In Body

http://www.rense.com/general17/aidsandebola.htm

Let me ask you again [email protected] threaten are you by HIV

Since you ask, I don't feel threatened at all by someone with HIV. As tragic as an illness as that is, I have no fear of anything to do with that illness at all. HIV patients tend not to bleed out from their eyeballs and their orifices thus putting people into very direct contact with their bodily fluids. Why is it talked of the mere "laying on of hands" being dangerous to a dead ebola victim?

Thus, I find it very difficult to reconcile the fact that they put Ebola and HIV into the same context for type of infection. When was the last time a nurse got infected from treating a dying Aids patient from their bodily fluids?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/12/the-challenge-of-stopping-ebola-when-it-keeps-killing-doctors/

This stuff is patently far more easy to catch than HIV in a hospital environment.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/case-definition.html

High risk exposures

A high risk exposure includes any of the following:

• Percutaneous (e.g., needle stick) or mucous membrane exposure to blood or body fluids of EVD patient
• Direct skin contact with, or exposure to blood or body fluids of, an EVD patient without appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE)
• Processing blood or body fluids of a confirmed EVD patient without appropriate PPE or standard biosafety precautions
• Direct contact with a dead body without appropriate PPE in a country where an EVD outbreak is occurring*

Low1 risk exposures

A low risk exposure includes any of the following

• Household contact with an EVD patient
• Other close contact with EVD patients in health care facilities or community settings. Close contact is defined as
  1. being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) of an EVD patient or within the patient’s room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., health care personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., standard, droplet, and contact precautions; see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations)
  2. having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD patient while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment.
• Brief interactions, such as walking by a person or moving through a hospital, do not constitute close contact

How the hell are so many people catching this thing then, and why does it appear to be so infectious?

[mataleo]

A d there is no cure. .. However 2 US health workers got it when transfered back to US...

[sgtsabai]

This might be an interesting read: http://jonathanturley.org/2014/09/01/international-team-publishes-breakthrough-research-sequencing-ebola-strain-after-five-team-members-died-securing-the-samples-and-data/

[whybother]

A d there is no cure. .. However 2 US health workers got it when transfered back to US...

The two US health workers got treated with a number of experimental drugs when they got back to the US, as well as some drugs and other treatments while still in Africa.

While the treatment of these two was a big step forward, there is still, AFAIK, no known cure.

Edited September 1, 2014 by whybother

[metisdead]

A conspiracy nonsense post has been removed.

[ballpoint]

They have stated all along that the best disease to acquaint it with is HIV , it very similar in its infection..bodily fluids etc, it is not airborne, but if you cast your mind back to remember the same sort of panic when HIV hit, don't be anywhere near someone when they cough--yer 1,000s died of that being passed in a sneeze or a cough, common infections are passed by air--I don't know how you can equate this with your list Thai-at-Heart, & really to post a source of information on the disease like Yahoo-answers, you do know how that works don't you, they post the questions, & anyone (loon) is allowed to answer them---some font of knowledge that is.

If you can find a medical source that states its an airborne virus --like the list of things you have put up there-I will look at it. but please don't hold your breath while looking...........

Of course there is a difference between droplet and airborne transmission. However, if you are in close proximity to a patient, it makes little difference.

Those mentioned up above are not airborne but are things no one would like to catch, and are considered pretty infectious. I think its pretty obvious that they don't want people to panic,so they are making the statement that ebola isn't airborne. But I tell you what, if someone with mumps sat on a plane next to me, I wouldn't be particularly happy about it, would you?

I really wouldn't have any emotion if someone with mumps sat on a plane next to you.

[ksamuiguy]

The best known is Legionaries Disease, spread mostly in spray from showers that have not been used in a long time (room not occupied in a while) and mostly in Hospitals, (many people with compromised immune systems) A form of Pneumonia, easily treated once they know you have it!

I add a tablet to my A/C unit drain pans every 4- 6 months, it dissolves slowly and kills all fungus, bacteria, and keeps the drain line clear.

Getting low on stock now, I get them from either the UK or USA, but difficult to send to Thailand, Mainly because they don't understand what they are used for and a chemical so must be "Not Allowed".

Remember to keep your A/C filter clean also. between the filter and the tablet, "clean drain pan" you would be surprised at the reduction in "flu symptoms", coughs, and sneezing. Caution do not used Bleach in the pan as it will cause it to leak.